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So Canucks scouts are at the rangers game today. Always laugh reading these tweets because I can’t remember a time “scouts at x players game” ever lead to a trade

 

[WetcoastOrca]

On Morgan Reilly, read the Leafs board. Most of them want him gone. He’s regressed to the point where he’s not even good offensively and his D has always been weak. He’s just a shadow of his former self and has been the last couple of years now.
I’d stay far away from him.

 

[Quinning]

What pisses me off more than anything right now is this - I was f***ing out. I had stopped being invested. I was just numb to it all. And then they had to go and have that start they had last season, and some playoff magic, and they pulled me back in.

Only to do what they've done since I was a little kid...perpetually hurt their fanbase.

 

[Vector]

*eyes-emjoi*

I BANISH YOU TO THE SHADOW REALM!

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

I may be on an island with this one, but I think JR is a shrewd customer for doing this interview right after winning 2 games.

Take the heat off the coach. Take it off his defense. Take it off his GM. Restate what was already known. Increase the potential timeline for a Miller move.

What did he lose? People calling him senile for confirming what already know. Small price.

Ok, now what did he gain? The attention is on him, and not on the organization for prolonging the drama. While at the same time, he obfuscates the timeline of a move after a few wins. The implication being that they can still win in the interim and trading teams lose out on Miller for their respective playoff runs.

This is what a cunning manager does. The shock just has to wear off in order to see it.

I hope you're right. I feel like it's much more likely that this interview pretty significantly changes the Canucks' leverage than simply confirms what's out there.

Allvin's leverage with Miler/Pettersson has always been the threat of not moving them if the right return isn't there. Does Rutherford's coming out and saying "we can't keep both of these guys indefinitely" increase or decrease the credibility of that threat? To me, it's clearly the latter.

And to Rutherford's credit he does refer to the possibility of keeping both players in the interview, but he doesn't get to write the article or dictate what the headline is so that part doesn't get the same play in the media. But that lack of control is part of the decision to sit for the interview in the first place and to me, part of what makes it a questionable decision.

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

I hope you're right. I feel like it's much more likely that this interview pretty significantly changes the Canucks' leverage than simply confirms what's out there.

Allvin's leverage with Miler/Pettersson has always been the threat of not moving them if the right return isn't there. Does Rutherford's coming out and saying "we can't keep both of these guys indefinitely" increase or decrease the credibility of that threat? To me, it's clearly the latter.

And to Rutherford's credit he does refer to the possibility of keeping both players in the interview, but he doesn't get to write the article or dictate what the headline is so that part doesn't get the same play in the media. But that lack of control is part of the decision to sit for the interview in the first place and to me, part of what makes it a questionable decision.

Another thought - the two teams that have had the most smoke around them are NYR and BUF. Both of these teams have owners with a history of being pretty hands on at times.

Does Rutherford's interview make it easier or harder for Drury/Adams to sell Dolan/Pegula on giving up a decent package for the player they want?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Reilly + Minten for JT.

Too bad JT wouldn't waive.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

What pisses me off more than anything right now is this - I was f***ing out. I had stopped being invested. I was just numb to it all. And then they had to go and have that start they had last season, and some playoff magic, and they pulled me back in.

Only to do what they've done since I was a little kid...perpetually hurt their fanbase.

This is exactly how I feel. Hell, I posted more on this board in the last year and a half than the prior five combined. I pretty much took a break from hockey after the Habs and Nucks imploded since I just don't want to invest so much of my time to a losing era.

Then next season happens and the excitement comes roaring back. Only for all this nonsense to ruin it.

 

[Quinning]

Reilly + Minten for JT.

Too bad JT wouldn't waive.

Why the f*** did they give a guy who was known to cause locker room issues a full NMC?

 

[arttk]

Marner is the player I want, but this only happens if Marner gives TOR a number they just can't abide (a la Rantanen).

Outside of that small chance, he's a Leaf imo.

i don't even think it's a number issue, it's a why the f*** are they bringing back the same core that crashes out of the 1st round over and over and over and over and over again issue.

 

[Vector]

Here's a recap of Frank Seravalli's interview with Canucks Central from yesterday.

Mikko Rantanen Trade

• Started asking teams, on Boxing Day, if Rantanen was truly available; was told that teams were calling but most didn’t believe that the Avalanche would actually trade him
• Doesn’t think the Avalanche would be willing to sign Rantanen to what they gave Mackinnon
• Avalanche view their cap situation differently than other teams would in a similar situation
• By last Friday, the Hurricanes had moved on to Rantanen and progressed to a stage where they were working out the finer details
• Fair to say that the Canucks are the biggest loser in the trade because they thought they had one of Miller or Pettersson traded to the Hurricanes
• Believes the Hurricanes had other players of similar magnitude involved from other teams; mentions no one has told him this on or off the record but would be surprised if the Hurricanes did not talk to the Maple Leafs about Mitch Marner

Canucks Trade Talk

• Thinks the Canucks are open to a number of different possibilities; open to Pettersson being the guy but also trading him
• Have got to a certain point where they’ve decided it doesn’t matter which player they trade but the return is the most important factor
• For a while it seemed Miller was the guy who was easier to move and then shift to Pettersson; has gone back and forth
• Canucks are still getting calls on Miller; enough teams in the Eastern Conference, even non-playoff teams, are watching the market and think it might be worth it to get their hands on Miller relatively cheaply
• Ask for Pettersson is significantly higher than Miller
• Thinks they are exploring all options

Miller

• Seems like he’s someone who is ready and waiting to go
• Preference is to play in the East but wonders if he’d be interested in Colorado
• Avalanche are looking to solidify themselves at centre; Casey Mittelstadt hasn’t been as consistent as they would like
• Can cross off Carolina but wonders about Boston Bruins and other teams in the Eastern Conference; Mentions the Montreal Canadiens
• Someone asked Seravalli last night if the Columbus Blue Jackets would be interested
• Golden Knights get involved in so many different things but can’t see the term or cap hit fitting in the long hall

Canucks’ Path Forward

• Doesn’t see how you trade both Miller & Pettersson
• Thinks the most likely play is that Pettersson stays and Miller goes
• Is less and less convinced that there is a ready and available fix for this season

 

[Wisp]

It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.

People really forget how apocalyptically terrible Benning and Linden were. This is just noise, it's annoying. What's going on is an implosion of a core Benning built, whoever took over from Benning would have to deal with all the same shit.

 

[arttk]

It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.

don't be silly, he was the primary architect behind 3 cup rounds, not as a AGM like Benning.

He's also been chaotic considering how many trades he did both in Carolina and the Pens.

So Canucks scouts are at the rangers game today. Always laugh reading these tweets because I can’t remember a time “scouts at x players game” ever lead to a trade

who doesn't want to be paid to stay in NYC. You know shit's going down if you see scouts in Winnipeg.

 

[ephmrl]

It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.

Based on their body of work up to this point, at worst you can say that the JR/Allvin regime has been average. The Benning front office was one of the worst in the entire history of the NHL. This is an insane take.

 

[Quinning]

don't be silly, he was the primary architect behind 3 cup rounds, not as a AGM like Benning.

He's also been chaotic considering how many trades he did both in Carolina and the Pens.


who doesn't want to be paid to stay in NYC

He's also a dinosaur.

 

[arttk]

He's also a dinosaur.

I think he has his ways and it's chaotic and somewhat ruthless.

loyalty? f*** that, anyone can be traded.

 

[iceburg]

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Trading them both is about cutting the dead flesh out so the organization can heal and properly reset its culture. I think they perceive that cultural rot is a greater risk to Quinn Hughes' future with the club than trading away two top-six centers. Which speaks a lot about how bad the problem is that they perceive to exist.

I think this is a really important point. Culture needs to be good to win. You don't have to like everyone but you all have to be pulling in the same direction and supporting each other. And, at the end of the day, my guess is that QH wants to be in a winning culture.

 

[Wisp]

He's also a dinosaur.

yeah they said that when he took the Pittsburgh job, too. He's experienced and knows how to build an organization.

 

[Wisp]

the thing that bothers me with "these are two adults, why can't they got along!" when it's almost certainty one asshole being an asshole to a normal guy whose only issue is he constantly has to endure with the asshole being an asshole to them.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

On Morgan Reilly, read the Leafs board. Most of them want him gone.

Oh no the dumbest fanbase in the league doesn't like a guy? He must suck!

https://thehockeynews.com/news/thn-archive-star-defenseman-larry-murphy-never-appreciated-enough-by-maple-leafs

I've always liked Rielly's game, but I haven't watched the Leafs much this year.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I hope you're right. I feel like it's much more likely that this interview pretty significantly changes the Canucks' leverage than simply confirms what's out there.

Allvin's leverage with Miler/Pettersson has always been the threat of not moving them if the right return isn't there. Does Rutherford's coming out and saying "we can't keep both of these guys indefinitely" increase or decrease the credibility of that threat? To me, it's clearly the latter.

And to Rutherford's credit he does refer to the possibility of keeping both players in the interview, but he doesn't get to write the article or dictate what the headline is so that part doesn't get the same play in the media. But that lack of control is part of the decision to sit for the interview in the first place and to me, part of what makes it a questionable decision.

JR is willingly relinquishing the control of the interpretation in order to get his quotes through. And lest we forget, who is the one crafting the article and headline? Gary Mason: Known Aquilini confidant. The same reporter that tweeted Miller may not move by the TDL before this article came out... Coincidence?

This is all "part of the plan".

JR bids for time, implying that they could keep Miller for their own run rather than bolster someone else's run, knowing it can't possibly lower potential returns -- Because all the teams/insiders already know this. His admission is largely irrelevant.

Last: It's not an indefinite timeline. By stating it's still an issue to be addressed, he's relaying something will happen. It just doesn't need to happen at a time most optimal for the buying team. i.e. in the offseason.

Listening to the Whiteboard right now, Drance immediately picks up on this. He gets it. (Have a listen)

 

[Quinning]

I think short of getting someone like Bedard or Celebrini, there's nothing coming back in Hughes trade that interests me. It'll end up being a bunch of pieces that don't add up to what Hughes is worth.

 

[ProviesGhost]

I want both Miller and Pettersson gone. Can't win with two babies in the dressing room, who can't put personal problems aside for the sake of the team.

Unfortunately, I feel the same. f*** these two, they've ruined an entire season.

 

[racerjoe]

Ok… if you have to trade one of Petey or Miller, the obvious choice to trade is miller, ow if you aren’t getting a good package back and you look to trade Petey… you don’t trade him for Pennie’s on the dollar, you only trade him for an absolute monster deal… you don’t trade him for a bd return. The entire point to trading him instead of Miller should be because it’s a home run deal.

 

[December5th]

i trust jim rutherford, this is like when micheal from the office calls in the press to control the issue instead of letting it control you