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[Nucky]

my flight is delayed 3.5 hours so here's a summary of each team going into free agency. most cap space to least

the tl;dr is that there's like 3 teams with cap problems and they can still mostly keep their teams together. everyone else will either keep their team together or have a big pile of money to chase the few free agents out there

Great work!

The fact that we have to scroll that far down to get to Vancouver, and that's with a prominent UFA to re-sign is pretty telling.

I do not envy this front office's position

 

[vancityluongo]

I don't think D-Petey returns them a top-six forward in a trade. It would have to be D-Petey + 1st, maybe another add.

If you're saying swap D-Petey for a similar calibre forward prospect, maybe that's something they could look at (though it's a rare-ish form of trade). But that doesn't help next season much.

They would have to empty nearly all of their relatively valuable trade chips to acquire this forward. It's a tough spot. They need more assets.

the premise of moving d-petey only makes if we're getting the prospect version of hall-larsson as a 1-for-1, or by being on the islanders end of the griffin reinhart trade and drafting a kid like frondell with a top-5 pick to add to the pool.

i don't necessarily think either deal is out there, but throwing it out there as *if* you can cash in a position of strength for what is a league wide weakness, and fill a massive hole up front, it's worth exploring. otherwise, yeah, keep developing the kid and re-visit down the line if needed.

 

[bossram]

They 100% read our boards too lmao.

Who’s Cmac again?

Absolutely.

I take credit for them signing Suter.

 

[Nucky]

Who’s Cmac again?

Big time shill apparently, I think he used to work at 650 and defended idiot Benning. Now we know why, he wanted to lick some boots for a job with the team.

 

[arttk]

They 100% read our boards too lmao.

Who’s Cmac again?

he was like the benning bro of radio

 

[arttk]

Adding mid 30s to stay mediocre? That's what you are saying.

yes because their term will be short and forms a adequate base (playoff team) and buys us time.

if we are in the playoff race mid season, then we can add before/at the TDL and hopefully get a guy before he hits UFA and lock that guy up and then because the term is short, you can replace whoever that is coming off with another better player in UFA.

 

[ManVanFan]

yes because their term will be short and forms a adequate base (playoff team) and buys us time.

if we are in the playoff race mid season, then we can add before/at the TDL and hopefully get a guy before he hits UFA and lock that guy up and then because the term is short, you can replace whoever that is coming off with another better player in UFA.

Like they did this deadline. Gotcha.

 

[EpochLink]

I do not like Doerrie but this is hilarious

This woman still upset she got canned, time to let go Doerrie. Just because 2 other qualified woman were good at their job besides you, yall look to special media for clicks.

 

[arttk]

Like they did this deadline. Gotcha.

we weren't buyers this deadline

 

[bossram]

The reality is that this team can't just acquire players that are already good or are already top line players, or whatever. It just isn't realistically feasible for several reasons: first, we don't have a ton of assets to acquire these players; second, and relatively speaking, we don't have enough cap space to necessarily beat out other offers (especially when you consider we are up against tax free states); and third, we aren't even an attractive City/destination currently. Of course I am not saying that it is impossible, only that its pretty unlikely. And the UFA list isn't even that great right now, and its going to be much worse on July 1st. Like, what are the chances, for example, that the Leafs let both Tavares and Marner hit free agency? And why would Ehler or Marner or Tavares sign here compared to some of the other potential destinations?

Really, this management team is going to have to acquire a forward or two that is currently like a 15-15 type guy, that explodes, developmentally, into a 30-30 type guy, or whatever. Not totally dissimilar from the trade where we acquired JT Miller.

Because you are absolutely right that we aren't going to be able to trade DPetey, or a mid first, for a current top line player with term or team control.

I agree with all the bolded points. They don't have the assets (futures, cap space, or general "attractiveness") to acquire top players. It's why they're in such a tough spot, and destined to be a bubble-ish team until Quinn leaves.

This management group needed to accumulate assets to give themselves flexibility to improve, but they've consistently decided against it. This goes back to the 22-23 deadline, when they should've liquidated Kuzmenko then. Beauvillier too. Moving Boeser and Suter (though I like Suter and would retain him at a reasonable AAV) also gives them more currency in their account.

All they can do is what they been doing: Finding undervalued guys who come cheap, and hoping they provide surplus value. They've been pretty good with this, but it's not likely to yield a top-end player.

 

[arttk]

This woman still upset she got canned, time to let go Doerrie. Just because 2 other qualified woman were good at their job besides you, yall look to special media for clicks.

being so petty so public is going to kill any future opportunity in hockey

 

[me2]

i think there are solutions as long as you don't limit yourself into thinking every guy we get has to be a long term fix. If we can't get a guy like Ehlers/Marner then we should just spread that cap on like 3 2nd liners or something. I would be more pessimistic with this group if they haven't shown they are actually good at pro scouting, you can fix a lot of problems when pro scouting is good.

We will have to trade for them or grossly overpay and with extra term in free agency. Two dozen other teams with lots of cap space are looking to do the same are going to ruin any hope of UFA bargains. As for trade, we are low on assets and that be another bidding war.

 

[arttk]

I agree with all the bolded points. They don't have the assets (futures, cap space, or general "attractiveness") to acquire top players. It's why they're in such a tough spot, and destined to be a bubble-ish team until Quinn leaves.

we have the cap.. and we are an attractive spot as long as we are winning, big caveat.

This management group needed to accumulate assets to give themselves flexibility to improve, but they've consistently decided against it. This goes back to the 22-23 deadline, when they should've liquidated Kuzmenko then. Beauvillier too. Moving Boeser and Suter (though I like Suter and would retain him at a reasonable AAV) also gives them more currency in their account.

it's been debated to death but at most Kuz was going to get you a 2nd rounder that year considering he had zero playoff experience and was a very 1 dimensional player. They bet on him vs just going into UFA and they lost but it was a reasonable bet to make because Kuz making it >>>>>> whatever value that 2nd rounder would bring.

we never had any opportunity to liquidate Beau, i mean the guy was given away for a 5th rounder in his final year.

Moving Boeser and Suter gives you currency from a theoretical sense but what will most likely. happen is it would still not be enough for any meaningful trades and we'll just end up drafting with those picks which would instantly lead to depreciation of that asset until those prospects have like really really good trajectory.

 

[bossram]

the premise of moving d-petey only makes if we're getting the prospect version of hall-larsson as a 1-for-1, or by being on the islanders end of the griffin reinhart trade and drafting a kid like frondell with a top-5 pick to add to the pool.

i don't necessarily think either deal is out there, but throwing it out there as *if* you can cash in a position of strength for what is a league wide weakness, and fill a massive hole up front, it's worth exploring. otherwise, yeah, keep developing the kid and re-visit down the line if needed.

It's worth exploring that kind of deal, yes. But it doesn't help their immediate need to improve next season and make the playoffs - which is the management/ownership's priority.

 

[bossram]

we have the cap.. and we are an attractive spot as long as we are winning, big caveat.

it's been debated to death but at most Kuz was going to get you a 2nd rounder that year considering he had zero playoff experience and was a very 1 dimensional player. They bet on him vs just going into UFA and they lost but it was a reasonable bet to make because Kuz making it >>>>>> whatever value that 2nd rounder would bring.

we never had any opportunity to liquidate Beau, i mean the guy was given away for a 5th rounder in his final year.

Moving Boeser and Suter gives you currency from a theoretical sense but what will most likely. happen is it would still not be enough for any meaningful trades and we'll just end up drafting with those picks which would instantly lead to depreciation of that asset until those prospects have like really really good trajectory.

Are they an attractive spot? Do most players think that right now?

Keeping Kuz was not a good bet. It was a bad bet. And turned bad almost immediately.

Having a cadre of 2nd rounders to use to acquire different players would be a better position than they are in now.

 

[ephmrl]

I do not like Doerrie but this is hilarious

I do not see what’s wrong with this. Am I dumb?

 

[Canucker]

being so petty so public is going to kill any future opportunity in hockey

She probably couldn't even put her time with the Canucks on her resume because she can't use anyone as a reference.

 

[arttk]

Are they attractive spot? Do most players think that right now?

Keeping Kuz was not a good bet. It was a bad bet. And turned bad almost immediately.

Having a cadre of 2nd rounder to use to acquire different players would be a better position than they are in now.

depends which type of players you are talking about, i think all canadian cities are unattractive to americans and you can argue. maybe the latest craziness in the states might have some effect on euro players.

it was a reasonable bet, they recruited him in UFA and he performed beyond expectation.

once again, Allvin has a history of lining up trades after and he decided whatever we could've gotten was not enough to flip for the assets he wants. if this was Benning then i would agree with you that he probably has no f***ing clue but this is one of those where Allvin has shown he has a history of knowing exactly what it takes to get what he wants and whatever we could've gotten back for Suter and Brock is not enough.

I do not see what’s wrong with this. Am I dumb?

you need to be more petty

 

[Nick Lang]

We are like dead last in the league right now in terms of goal scoring. We actually need a needle moving player if we want to significantly improve. And if Boeser leaves, then there goes one 25 goal or so guy.

If you think you are going to both replace Boeser and improve this team's offense, with mid-tier forward free agents, I think you are going to be sorely disappointed.

I agree that Pettersson returning to form is the single biggest hope for offensive improvement. I disagree that adding like one or two 20 or 15 goal scorers is going to make a big difference to this team, and I actually think you are underestimating the difficulty of even doing so.

To be honest not that big of a stretch imo. I totally see a way where we add a couple of moderate 20 goal guys and we're "better" up front than we are today.

Having said that better is a relative term because it's not a high bar at all. Like you said we're currently last in the league in scoring so I don't think replacing Boeser and whomever of Hoglander/Joshua/DOC production in the top 6 is going to be that difficult. That's like 30 goals and 70 points total.

The problem is it's just not going to make us much more competitive by itself though. Like you also mentioned we're going to need Petey to rebound and Lekkerimaki breaking out also would certainly help. It's pretty bleak looking but that's where we're at without a big trade of some sort. Would have been nice to grab a Shane Wright or LaFreniere before they started clicking.

I would look to add one best piece possible at a time even if that means one good player this year and one next year so we have the best possible team by the time Quinn is up for renewal.

 

[arttk]

Would have been nice to grab a Shane Wright or LaFreniere before they started clicking.

that was never a possibility

 

[me2]

They 100% read our boards too lmao.

Who’s Cmac again?

Cheap dupe of imac

 

[me2]

Trade away Hog and there is enough cap and roster space for Duchene, Granlund, Donato and Dadonov. It's fine for a short term upgrade but those would be my choices, I hope Allvin has better targets than me.

If we don't trade away Hog, we can still afford like 3 guys like Ganlund, Donato and Davonov.

Dadonov would be like a 1 year fill gap player that offers some speed, i said none of them are long term solutions.

I'll predict they resign Boeser and Suter after looking at the market then throw what's left at Granlund after running out of other options. Maybe they flip our 1st, Mynio and Hog/Joshua for McCann as a bonus.

I'm thinking Demko goes to save cash...

 

[I am toxic]

I do not like Doerrie but this is hilarious

Gosh, now I feel bad, knowing Canucks management and coaching staff are aware of what I said about them

Does the "medical" staff also get updates on my prose?

 

[TruGr1t]

I do not see what’s wrong with this. Am I dumb?

No you’re not. The original post is dumb. Every organization I’ve worked for has done this type of monitoring in some capacity. There are services that literally charge quite a bit of money (ie. Meltwater, Irwin etc.) to provide this type of intel to very large clients.

It is also a sector with a lot of AI development at the moment. Largely so you do not need to pay interns to manually produce these kind of reports.

Now that being said, I think where the Canucks are dumb is how they actually use the intel. The collection of it is totally typical.

 

[I am toxic]

This woman still upset she got canned, time to let go Doerrie. Just because 2 other qualified woman were good at their job besides you, yall look to special media for clicks.

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