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[LemonSauceD]

Quinn Hughes to NJD for all the assets we need to build a franchise.

Ep40 to PIT to learn from Crosby for a couple years.


Hughes
For
Hamilton, Nemec, Casey and Silayev

Ep40, Hoglander, Silovs
For
Jarry, PIT 1st, NYR 1st

Then sell off every single piece of the Huggy trade because we're the one team that can trade RHD now that we have an abundance.

Hamilton
For
Jesperi Kotkaniemi, CAR 1st

Nemec, Demko
For
BUF 1st

Casey
For
Morgan Geekie

Silayev
For
Liam Ohgren

Draft Anton Frondell with BUF 1st #4
Draft Viktor Eklund with PIT 1st #6
Draft Kashawn Aitcheson with VAN 1st #15
Draft Brady Martin with NYR 1st #16
Draft Cole Reschny with CAR 1st #26

Gives us a new Swedish duo for the future, a mean LHD, two middle 6 centers plus a whole lot of capspace.

Trade whatever future picks we need to secure Mitch Marner and Jakob Chychrun UFA rights.

Give Marner 14,000,000 x7
Give Chychrun 9,500,000 x7

Give Marner the C.
Give Chychrun a permanent A.

Let Boeser, Suter, Forbort walk for free


Debrusk - Chytil - Marner
Joshua - Geekie - Garland
Ohgren - Kotkaniemi - Lekkerimaki
Oconnor - Blueger - Sherwood

Chychrun - Hronek
Mpetey - Myers
Dpetey - Willander

x Raty, Kudryatsev, Mancini

Lankinen, Jarry

With Frondell, Eklund, Martin, Reschny, Mynio and Aitcheson in the system.

Whenever the next Ep40 or Eichel or whoever that becomes available, we now have assets to be part of the conversation.

 

[Nucky]

Quinn Hughes to NJD for all the assets we need to build a franchise.

Ep40 to PIT to learn from Crosby for a couple years.


Hughes
For
Hamilton, Nemec, Casey and Silayev

Ep40, Hoglander, Silovs
For
Jarry, PIT 1st, NYR 1st

Then sell off every single piece of the Huggy trade because we're the one team that can trade RHD now that we have an abundance.

Hamilton
For
Jesperi Kotkaniemi, CAR 1st

Nemec, Demko
For
BUF 1st

Casey
For
Morgan Geekie

Silayev
For
Liam Ohgren

Draft Anton Frondell with BUF 1st #4
Draft Viktor Eklund with PIT 1st #6
Draft Kashawn Aitcheson with VAN 1st #15
Draft Brady Martin with NYR 1st #16
Draft Cole Reschny with CAR 1st #26

Gives us a new Swedish duo for the future, a mean LHD, two middle 6 centers plus a whole lot of capspace.

Trade whatever future picks we need to secure Mitch Marner and Jakob Chychrun UFA rights.

Give Marner 14,000,000 x7
Give Chychrun 9,500,000 x7

Give Marner the C.
Give Chychrun a permanent A.

Let Boeser, Suter, Forbort walk for free


Debrusk - Chytil - Marner
Joshua - Geekie - Garland
Ohgren - Kotkaniemi - Lekkerimaki
Oconnor - Blueger - Sherwood

Chychrun - Hronek
Mpetey - Myers
Dpetey - Willander

x Raty, Kudryatsev, Mancini

Lankinen, Jarry

With Frondell, Eklund, Martin, Reschny, Mynio and Aitcheson in the system.

Whenever the next Ep40 or Eichel or whoever that becomes available, we now have assets to be part of the conversation.

 

[bossram]

would rather trade picks too, but if i'm the other teams, i'd much, much rather have d-petey than a 20-25 overall. especially if we're talking about players like peterka or nazar.

yea, i think it's fully manageable to keep both and an obvious luxury. but we've had the roster in allvin's tenure go from 3 #1a type centers and a #1 defenseman + 4-5 plumbers on defense to something sometimes resembling a #1b center + 2.5 top-6 forwards (maybe) but with one of the better top-4s in the league. our two best prospects are defensemen - if we can switch one for a similar level forward, there's accretive value to the roster, even if defensemen are more valuable all things considered.

I don't think D-Petey returns them a top-six forward in a trade. It would have to be D-Petey + 1st, maybe another add.

If you're saying swap D-Petey for a similar calibre forward prospect, maybe that's something they could look at (though it's a rare-ish form of trade). But that doesn't help next season much.

They would have to empty nearly all of their relatively valuable trade chips to acquire this forward. It's a tough spot. They need more assets.

 

[ManVanFan]

Is a smore's guy a thing now?

 

[Nucky]

Is a smore's guy a thing now?

Never seen him before but the correlation between that guy’s profile pic and that post is amazing

 

[ManVanFan]

I don't think D-Petey returns them a top-six forward in a trade. It would have to be D-Petey + 1st, maybe another add.

If you're saying swap D-Petey for a similar calibre forward prospect, maybe that's something they could look at (though it's a rare-ish form of trade). But that doesn't help next season much.

They would have to empty nearly all of their relatively valuable trade chips to acquire this forward. It's a tough spot. They need more assets.

Darn, tdl just went by and all they acquired was a 3rd.

 

[arttk]

i don't think there'll be zero movement this offseason but i think there'll be way less than people expect. almost every team has the cap space to reup all their players if they want. the only exceptions are dallas who may have to let some players walk depending on whether seguin is healthy, boston who need to replace basically half their team (altho they might just rebuild) and edmonton who might have to let skinner go if bouchard gets a big extension

i mean yea, so i think the baseline is we'll sign at least 1 guy and then maybe like 1 or 2 lower cost bets which I think it's fine/acceptable.

the question is can we improve the team in the off season and improve upon what Brock has provided which really is less than 20 goals this year. If we can get 2 20 goal scorers or 1 ~20 goal scorer and 2 15 goal scoreres, that's fine because we can built upon that with in-season and TDL moves.

 

[arttk]

Look at the other teams that have similar cap space to Van next season. I beg of you to tell me those teams have the same massive holes in their top 6 that Van has.

Dallas Hintz, Robertson, Johnston, Rantanen, Seguin
Colorado MacKinnon, Necas, Lekhonen, Nuchushkin
NJ Meier, Bratt, Hughes, Hischier, Mercer, Palat
Stl Thomas, Kyrou, Schenn, Buchnevich, Holloway
TB I don't even need to list
Rangers Miller, Zabin, Bread man, Trocheck, Laffy
Edm McJesus, Drais, Hyman, RNH
VGK Eichel, Stone, Barbashev, Hertl

If any of those teams added a top 6 forward which they can (minus Dallas but like they need too). Stack forward groups.

Vancouver has Pettersson, Garland, Debrusk, Chytil. <----- Do you see how desperate Van needs another top 6 forward. It's a luxury to any of those teams with the same amount of cap space to add an Ehlers.

so are you arguing that we will get zero UFAs?

 

[bossram]

Darn, tdl just went by and all they acquired was a 3rd.

Yes, I also wanted them to acquire tradeable assets at the deadline. They did not. Management put themselves in this situation.

 

[ManVanFan]

Yes, I also wanted them to acquire tradeable assets at the deadline. They did not. Management put themselves in this situation.

All for playoffs. Aqua would rather get swept in the first round every year then ever even try to win a Stanley cup.

 

[Quinning]

All for playoffs. Aqua would rather get swept in the first round every year then ever even try to win a Stanley cup.

Just think of all the playoff revenue you get from a deep run. It's been too long since 2011 so they obviously forgot. Oilers probably brought in $30 million off last year's run alone.

 

[Nucky]

so are you arguing that we will get zero UFAs?

I think he's saying that the Canucks will be priced out or not a destination choice for the truly needle moving UFA's

DeBrusk tier players are more realistic for a best case scenario.

When the cap was more flat, UFA's had less options, now they can get paid and also go to a good team. Or get grossly overpaid by a mediocre or bad team.

Basically this management group is once again going to have to defy the odds to build a contending team before Hughes' contract is up.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

so are you arguing that we will get zero UFAs?

This is such a narrow path to improvement. The Canucks are more than another DeBrusk-level signing away from contention. The only UFA that can really change this team's trajectory is Marner, and odds of landing him are slim.

 

[God]

kinda wonder if more teams are gonna spend less despite the rising cap if their ownership is significantly affected by trump tanking the economy lol

 

[arttk]

I think he's saying that the Canucks will be priced out or not a destination choice for the truly needle moving UFA's

DeBrusk tier players are more realistic for a best case scenario.

When the cap was more flat, UFA's had less options, now they can get paid and also go to a good team. Or get grossly overpaid by a mediocre or bad team.

Basically this management group is once again going to have to defy the odds to build a contending team before Hughes' contract is up.

like i said though, it's fine if we don't get a truly needle moving UFA. it will be great if we can get one but if we don't and we end up with like 1 or 2 20 goal scorers, that works too.

this is what we have right now, a top PK defensive team with the best dman in the league in the back, so every night it's going to be low scoring against us and the issue is will we have enough scoring for us to win. Right now we are losing most games because we can score like 2 goals per game. The question is if we add like 2 20 goal scorers or 1 20 goal scorer and 2 15 goal scorer and have Petey return to form, will that be enough. I would say with like 14M, getting either 2 20 goal scorers or the latter should be doable.

Yeah a needle mover would be great but to say, oh it's either that or bust is too extreme.

kinda wonder if more teams are gonna spend less despite the rising cap if their ownership is significantly affected by trump tanking the economy lol

prices are going to go through the roof soon and red states are going get hit harder too.

 

[Hodgy]

the market is really going to be defined by players who want out of their current situations more than by players being squeezed out because teams can't afford to keep them

Not only that, but the market is also going to be defined by those players that teams did not want to sign due to the player's contract demands verses their current contribution (e.g., Brock Boeser). And these players aren't going to offer a very good value proposition. Your better off just signing long shots and hoping they blow up developmentally and become something they current are not.

I don't think D-Petey returns them a top-six forward in a trade. It would have to be D-Petey + 1st, maybe another add.

If you're saying swap D-Petey for a similar calibre forward prospect, maybe that's something they could look at (though it's a rare-ish form of trade). But that doesn't help next season much.

They would have to empty nearly all of their relatively valuable trade chips to acquire this forward. It's a tough spot. They need more assets.

The reality is that this team can't just acquire players that are already good or are already top line players, or whatever. It just isn't realistically feasible for several reasons: first, we don't have a ton of assets to acquire these players; second, and relatively speaking, we don't have enough cap space to necessarily beat out other offers (especially when you consider we are up against tax free states); and third, we aren't even an attractive City/destination currently. Of course I am not saying that it is impossible, only that its pretty unlikely. And the UFA list isn't even that great right now, and its going to be much worse on July 1st. Like, what are the chances, for example, that the Leafs let both Tavares and Marner hit free agency? And why would Ehler or Marner or Tavares sign here compared to some of the other potential destinations?

Really, this management team is going to have to acquire a forward or two that is currently like a 15-15 type guy, that explodes, developmentally, into a 30-30 type guy, or whatever. Not totally dissimilar from the trade where we acquired JT Miller.

Because you are absolutely right that we aren't going to be able to trade DPetey, or a mid first, for a current top line player with term or team control.

This is such a narrow path to improvement. The Canucks are more than another DeBrusk-level signing away from contention. The only UFA that can really change this team's trajectory is Marner, and odds of landing him are slim.

The odds of landing any of the top UFAs are slim, and we absolutely need top line talent. And the mid range guys are going to get way overpaid anyway, so yes, sure, we could use a second line player or two, and that's probably the route they will end up going, but you aren't going to get good value out of the players. At best, you will tread water. At worst, they will hurt you cap wise.

Like I said above, they need to hit big on a player or two that isn't currently a good offensive player.

 

[Quinning]

If we could somehow swing a EP40 for Dahlin trade...

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Trading D-Petey is dumb, trading him for winger is just stupid. It’s the easiest position in hockey to acquire.

 

[Hodgy]

like i said though, it's fine if we don't get a truly needle moving UFA. it will be great if we can get one but if we don't and we end up with like 1 or 2 20 goal scorers, that works too.

We are like dead last in the league right now in terms of goal scoring. We actually need a needle moving player if we want to significantly improve. And if Boeser leaves, then there goes one 25 goal or so guy.

If you think you are going to both replace Boeser and improve this team's offense, with mid-tier forward free agents, I think you are going to be sorely disappointed. First off, I think the Canucks will have a hard time even landing these guys. And second off, these guys will be terribly overpaid and we could even see their production/play crater due to age (e.g., Granlund). One of the lessons previous rising cap eras taught us was the danger of signing late twenties/early thirdies mid tier forwards to big contracts (Ladd, Okposo, Eriksson) and this seems to be the approach you want to take. And you can say that we shouldn't give out those type of contracts, but guess what, if you don't, then those players aren't signing.

this is what we have right now, a top PK defensive team with the best dman in the league in the back, so every night it's going to be low scoring against us and the issue is will we have enough scoring for us to win. Right now we are losing most games because we can score like 2 goals per game. The question is if we add like 2 20 goal scorers or 1 20 goal scorer and 2 15 goal scorer and have Petey return to form, will that be enough. I would say with like 14M, getting either 2 20 goal scorers or the latter should be doable.

Yeah a needle mover would be great but to say, oh it's either that or bust is too extreme.

I agree that Pettersson returning to form is the single biggest hope for offensive improvement. I disagree that adding like one or two 20 or 15 goal scorers is going to make a big difference to this team, and I actually think you are underestimating the difficulty of even doing so.

 

[Jyrki21]

Aqua raising ticket prices by such a level speaks to how f***ing oblivious they are as owners. He's trying to cash in on last season's hype and forgot that the team is nowhere near as good.

I think a lot of that is an instinctive reaction to the rising cap and lowering Canadian dollar. I don't think it has a lot to do with team performance.

The Aquilinis spend to the cap, but they otherwise operate the Canucks like they're $5 away from financial ruin.

 

[arttk]

We are like dead last in the league right now in terms of goal scoring. We actually need a needle moving player if we want to significantly improve. And if Boeser leaves, then there goes one 25 goal or so guy.

If you think you are going to both replace Boeser and improve this team's offense, with mid-tier forward free agents, I think you are going to be sorely disappointed. First off, I think the Canucks will have a hard time even landing these guys. And second off, these guys will be terribly overpaid and we could even see their production/play crater due to age (e.g., Granlund). One of the lessons previous rising cap eras taught us was the danger of signing late twenties/early thirdies mid tier forwards to big contracts (Ladd, Okposo, Eriksson) and this seems to be the approach you want to take. And you can say that we shouldn't give out those type of contracts, but guess what, if you don't, then those players aren't signing.




I agree that Pettersson returning to form is the single biggest hope for offensive improvement. I disagree that adding like one or two 20 or 15 goal scorers is going to make a big difference to this team, and I actually think you are underestimating the difficulty of even doing so.

TLDR: we need to get better, it doesn't just need to be significantly better or bust.

i am not saying it will make a big difference, i am saying it will make enough of a difference for us to be a plyaoff team. will we be contenders off of that? no, but we are at least 1 step towards being better and then you look to add with a in season trade or TDL and then you look to the next UFA cycle.

Get better every single year and right now, it's get better from where we are now.

 

[Bobby9]

Hughes


for

Zellweger
Carlsson
Sennecke

and then

1st

for

McCann


DeBrusk - EP - Sennecke
McCann -Leo - Lekk
Dak - Chytil - Garland


MP29 - Hronek
Zellweger - Myers
DPetey - Willander


Built for the future.

 

[Hodgy]

i am not saying it will make a big difference, i am saying it will make enough of a difference for us to be a plyaoff team. will we be contenders off of that? no, but we are at least 1 step towards being better and then you look to add with a in season trade or TDL and then you look to the next UFA cycle.

Get better every single year and right now, it's get better from where we are now.

So, are you saying that if we lose Boeser (25-30 goal guy) and add one twenty goal guy and one 15 goal guy that you think we will be a playoff team?

Personally, I think we'd be treading water, and this is currently a 50/50ish playoff team.

And the whole point of the compete now! philosophy is to actually compete now. Otherwise they should just retool/rebuild. They've thrown their chips in, and they've professed that they need to compete to keep Quinny, and frankly, being a 50/50 playoff team doesn't cut it.

 

[Jerry the great]

If we could somehow swing a EP40 for Dahlin trade...

yeah and then trade Quinn Hughes to the NJD for Hichier +. though given Jack is on track to be the next Josh Norris, I could see the Devils being reluctant to make that move.

 

[arttk]

So, are you saying that if we lose Boeser (25-30 goal guy) and add one twenty goal guy and one 15 goal guy that you think we will be a playoff team?

Personally, I think we'd be treading water, and this is currently a 50/50ish playoff team.

And the whole point of the compete now! philosophy is to actually compete now. Otherwise they should just retool/rebuild. They've thrown their chips in, and they've professed that they need to compete to keep Quinny, and frankly, being a 50/50 playoff team doesn't cut it.

Boeser is a 25-30 goal guy on paper, he has 18 goals right now and who the f*** knows if he is actually going to get to even 25. So yeah he is basically replaceable if we get a 20 goal guy.

We are a 50/50 playoff team with Brock pacing towards like 20goals. You add a guy to replace him at that level of production and get like 1 or 2 more guys at 15goals, that's already more goals than what we have right now.