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The Leafs have $27MM in cap space and three guys to re-sign (two if Marner hits the road). they will sign him for a couple years probably at a team friendly $$. he's not going anywhere IMO. still a good player and he's made so much money ($112MM) I doubt he even cares what the next contract brings in.
i keep thinking about a comment @MS made about how hard it is to shelter two rookie defensemen on a contending roster. it's less about the rhd willander pushing out the lhd d-petey, but moreso that with the way hronek, pettersson, and post-soucy myers have looked, we have a very strong top-4 without needing to bank on a rookie to play one of those roles.
add that forbort has basically been a perfect bottom pairing vet, and that the forward group needs more than a prayer that ehlers will sign here, it feels like the natural starting point to move a young defenseman. doubly so, as you've noted, with guys like mancini, kudryatsev and mynio all fairly close too, and no one aside from lekk comparable up front (if bains and raty are part of the solution... lol)
disagree that d-pete would be at a low in value, i think the "next edler" narrative goes a long way, and there is an absolute shortage of players with this skillset league wide. a team like buffalo, even though they are loaded with young defenseman, should be all over an actual tough 21 year old that wins his minutes. or a team like chicago, where they don't really care what he does in his sophomore year... could someone like nazar be put on the table? two of our three options to get a player of that calibre are named elias pettersson (the other is willander), and if we're talking about selling low, there's one i'd certainly look to trade over the other...
sandwichbird2023
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I rather trade our picks before D-Petey, I think he is going to be a very solid top 4D, is young and team control for many more years, and is physical (something we are lacking on the back end). Trading D-Petey could come back and bite us big time if he does end up a young-Edler. If (and that is a big if) we are forced to trade him down the road, he will be infinitely more valuable once he is proven than as a rookie.
I agree, it can become difficult to play two rookie defensemen at the same time and not end-up overleveraging them, short of them being savants entering the league like Hughes or Makar or Fox. When injuries hit NJ last season and they had to ride Luke and Nemec heavily, it wasn't the best season for them.
I don't think that means we immediately trade D-Petey or Willander though. Obviously if the right deal is there, anyone is available. But I see no issue if one or both of them spend next season in Abby.
Quinning
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Aqua raising ticket prices by such a level speaks to how f***ing oblivious they are as owners. He's trying to cash in on last season's hype and forgot that the team is nowhere near as good.
The more kids you have on the backend, the more vital the vets are, as well as the guys who would get called up to cover in case of injuries. Hughes, Hronek, Myers, M. Pettersson are your top 4. If Petey/Wallinder make the club, they are not playing together. #7 guy will be important.
That's the hardest part of rebuilding clubs is to inject young D, while having enough vets to play with them and shelter them. Neither of the Van kids are high end offensive kids who are prone to making defensive mistakes due to them being offensive minded. They know playing well in their own zone is how they will make it long term in the NHL.
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The thing is that with the cap rising, a lot of teams are in spots like this. We're going to see the true return of silly season in July
Carolina for example will have like $35M in cap space and their pending free agents are Orlov, Hall and Burns. ELC Nikishin is expected to replace one of the dmen. They can also move Kotkaniemi to free up even more space.
I can probably give you another 5 examples of teams who are projected to have a lot of cap space per roster spot available this summer.
Realistically, this front office is going to have to make trades if they want to compete asap. Draft picks and players like Lekk should be in play.
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Now explain who and what you are getting for those spots and don't forget at least an extra D or two.
would rather trade picks too, but if i'm the other teams, i'd much, much rather have d-petey than a 20-25 overall. especially if we're talking about players like peterka or nazar.
yea, i think it's fully manageable to keep both and an obvious luxury. but we've had the roster in allvin's tenure go from 3 #1a type centers and a #1 defenseman + 4-5 plumbers on defense to something sometimes resembling a #1b center + 2.5 top-6 forwards (maybe) but with one of the better top-4s in the league. our two best prospects are defensemen - if we can switch one for a similar level forward, there's accretive value to the roster, even if defensemen are more valuable all things considered.
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Getting in would mean we’re playing pretty well.
We need EP40 and Hughes to start cooking.
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I think this is exactly what the plan should/will be. Add like 2-3 players in our top 6 that all have capability of hitting 20 and hope with a big opportunity we get some good results. I think any 2 person 2nd tier combo has a pretty good chance at outscoring Boeser and Hoglander's 33 goal pace this season. They're also both poor playmaker's and defenders. It would definitely be an improvement. Getting a decent center would allow us to move Chytil around too.
Debrusk Petey UFA
UFA Chytil Garland
Joshua UFA Sherwood
DOC Blueger UFA
The way I see it we should 1000% be dumping Hoglander. He's super redundant with the other bottom 6 wingers we have signed. Most don't agree but I'd strongly consider moving Garland as well before we aren't allowed to trade him at the deadline cause we're only 5 points out of the playoffs.
I can definitely see us going after Granlund and/or Roslovic. At this point Brock Nelson might be one of the best options but he'll be looking for term. I highly doubt Tavares comes West for some reason. I think Donato would be a good target as well but I think he re-signs in Chicago.
Ultimately I think it's a no brainer we will make a trade for a younger player as well. How we'll cobble the assets together I'm not sure but we have to be strongly looking at that option.
This team is so poorly constructed and we keep doing dumb things like trading our assets away or like this year not getting an additional 2nd for Boeser. That second rounder coming in is something we should be using to select a center so we always have something in the pipeline. Same thing with defence, and goalie. We should always have a supplementary group of players for the future. Especially considering we've had almost no winning in the last 15 years.
Of course like you said drafting a center now likely doesn't help us cover the stop gap plan but that's why smart franchises keep their picks and use them to build their prospect pool before the need arises.
like I said the money is there, maybe Ehlers would love to come and that solves 1 hole and we have to throw 2 1sts away to get that 2C. the point is, the money is there and cap won't be the reason why we can't fill those spots.
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Granlund yes, Donato maybe if he's around though that contract is going to be scary based on sample size of work. Nelson I thought it was bandied about at the trade deadline he's strictly a US guy, so I doubt he comes north of the border.
I think they'd definitely take a shot on Tavares if he's available, but I also assume he may find a way to make it work in Toronto.
Like I said the teams that have the same amount of cap space don't have the holes that Van has.
every team has holes to fill i have no idea what you are talking about.
are you assuming that all the UFAs will be gone and then we make zero signings?
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i don't think there'll be zero movement this offseason but i think there'll be way less than people expect. almost every team has the cap space to reup all their players if they want. the only exceptions are dallas who may have to let some players walk depending on whether seguin is healthy, boston who need to replace basically half their team (altho they might just rebuild) and edmonton who might have to let skinner go if bouchard gets a big extension
there's a few teams like colorado, vegas, st louis, montreal and tampa who have little cap space but also have very little in the way of significant free agents (brock nelson in colorado aside although they can probably keep him if landeskog retires)
the market is really going to be defined by players who want out of their current situations more than by players being squeezed out because teams can't afford to keep them
Look at the other teams that have similar cap space to Van next season. I beg of you to tell me those teams have the same massive holes in their top 6 that Van has.
Dallas Hintz, Robertson, Johnston, Rantanen, Seguin
Colorado MacKinnon, Necas, Lekhonen, Nuchushkin
NJ Meier, Bratt, Hughes, Hischier, Mercer, Palat
Stl Thomas, Kyrou, Schenn, Buchnevich, Holloway
TB I don't even need to list
Rangers Miller, Zabin, Bread man, Trocheck, Laffy
Edm McJesus, Drais, Hyman, RNH
VGK Eichel, Stone, Barbashev, Hertl
If any of those teams added a top 6 forward which they can (minus Dallas but like they need too). Stack forward groups.
Vancouver has Pettersson, Garland, Debrusk, Chytil. <----- Do you see how desperate Van needs another top 6 forward. It's a luxury to any of those teams with the same amount of cap space to add an Ehlers.
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Quinn Hughes to NJD for all the assets we need to build a franchise.
Ep40 to PIT to learn from Crosby for a couple years.
Hughes
For
Hamilton, Nemec, Casey and Silayev
Ep40, Hoglander, Silovs
For
Jarry, PIT 1st, NYR 1st
Then sell off every single piece of the Huggy trade because we're the one team that can trade RHD now that we have an abundance.
Hamilton
For
Jesperi Kotkaniemi, CAR 1st
Nemec, Demko
For
BUF 1st
Casey
For
Morgan Geekie
Silayev
For
Liam Ohgren
Draft Anton Frondell with BUF 1st #4
Draft Viktor Eklund with PIT 1st #6
Draft Kashawn Aitcheson with VAN 1st #15
Draft Brady Martin with NYR 1st #16
Draft Cole Reschny with CAR 1st #26
Gives us a new Swedish duo for the future, a mean LHD, two middle 6 centers plus a whole lot of capspace.
Trade whatever future picks we need to secure Mitch Marner and Jakob Chychrun UFA rights.
Give Marner 14,000,000 x7
Give Chychrun 9,500,000 x7
Give Marner the C.
Give Chychrun a permanent A.
Let Boeser, Suter, Forbort walk for free
Debrusk - Chytil - Marner
Joshua - Geekie - Garland
Ohgren - Kotkaniemi - Lekkerimaki
Oconnor - Blueger - Sherwood
Chychrun - Hronek
Mpetey - Myers
Dpetey - Willander
x Raty, Kudryatsev, Mancini
Lankinen, Jarry
With Frondell, Eklund, Martin, Reschny, Mynio and Aitcheson in the system.
Whenever the next Ep40 or Eichel or whoever that becomes available, we now have assets to be part of the conversation.
Ep40 to PIT to learn from Crosby for a couple years.
Hughes
For
Hamilton, Nemec, Casey and Silayev
Ep40, Hoglander, Silovs
For
Jarry, PIT 1st, NYR 1st
Then sell off every single piece of the Huggy trade because we're the one team that can trade RHD now that we have an abundance.
Hamilton
For
Jesperi Kotkaniemi, CAR 1st
Nemec, Demko
For
BUF 1st
Casey
For
Morgan Geekie
Silayev
For
Liam Ohgren
Draft Anton Frondell with BUF 1st #4
Draft Viktor Eklund with PIT 1st #6
Draft Kashawn Aitcheson with VAN 1st #15
Draft Brady Martin with NYR 1st #16
Draft Cole Reschny with CAR 1st #26
Gives us a new Swedish duo for the future, a mean LHD, two middle 6 centers plus a whole lot of capspace.
Trade whatever future picks we need to secure Mitch Marner and Jakob Chychrun UFA rights.
Give Marner 14,000,000 x7
Give Chychrun 9,500,000 x7
Give Marner the C.
Give Chychrun a permanent A.
Let Boeser, Suter, Forbort walk for free
Debrusk - Chytil - Marner
Joshua - Geekie - Garland
Ohgren - Kotkaniemi - Lekkerimaki
Oconnor - Blueger - Sherwood
Chychrun - Hronek
Mpetey - Myers
Dpetey - Willander
x Raty, Kudryatsev, Mancini
Lankinen, Jarry
With Frondell, Eklund, Martin, Reschny, Mynio and Aitcheson in the system.
Whenever the next Ep40 or Eichel or whoever that becomes available, we now have assets to be part of the conversation.
MTL is going to get 10M in cap space added to their 12 already once Price goes on LTIR. This season as Nucker said you can't even go find a team that wants to clear 5M in cap space to get a 10M player because basically everyone has 10M or more except for a few teams that are pretty much set.
