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[Diversification]

This offseason will be critical. Cap space is no longer the precious commodity it was in years past so now that we finally have it, it can't be leveraged the way it once was. So that leaves us with the daunting prospect of bidding on UFAs who, after the first tier, are unimpressive and many are sure to be anchor contracts the moment the ink dries. If not UFAs, that leaves us with pro scouting and identifying surplus value players. Current management has mixed results on that front, able to hit some singles and doubles on players like Suter, Bluegar, Forbort, Cole. But now we'll need them to do so with top 6 forward talent, which is a much tougher assignment.

 

[ManVanFan]

Debrusk Petey ??
?? ?? Garland
Sherwood chytil lekk
Oconner blu hog

Idk where Joshua even fits anymore

We'll have 29.91 dollars with this before replacing forbort and adding willanders ELC. Not sure that's enough to really grab three impact forwards. I don't know if there are 3 impact forwards available.

I'd like ehlers.

Puckpedia says $14,081,667 in cap space with Joshua. So that would leave 17M for 3 impact forwards.

 

[TruGr1t]

as for what the canucks do this offseason the free agent market is really, really thin. especially at wing. here's the top 32 free agents (based on their salaries this year) at forward:

Yes, it's not a great year and most of the UFAs per usual will re-up with existing teams or prefer to play in the US. With the flap-cap era over, teams also aren't putting the premium on cap space that they once were, so I also expect frequency and premiums paid for salary dumps to decline ... making it more difficult to pick-up good NHL players on the cheap from teams that just need the cap space.

Outside of putting premium assets on the block, which the Canucks have thus far refused to do, I'm not sure how they address the forward group (especially at centre) adequately this summer. I do expect the 1st rounder to be moved around the draft for some talent, if they can manage to find a deal, but I don't think that carries a whole heck of a lot of value in this draft.

 

[ManVanFan]

Has Brock Boeser pulled the Elias Lindholm? Calgary offered an 8x9 at the start of the season and he ended up with 7x7.75. 72M down to 54 and change.

Brock is having a very sub par year. The fact he was secondary option for a lot of teams at the tdl. Are teams going to pay 8M a year for long term for him? He's not a center. He's not fast and his goal scoring has been inconsistent.

He's Rickard Rakell type. Who signed a 6 year 5M in Pitt a few years back which % wise next season be around 5.7M a year.

 

[arttk]

Yes, it's not a great year and most of the UFAs per usual will re-up with existing teams or prefer to play in the US. With the flap-cap era over, teams also aren't putting the premium on cap space that they once were, so I also expect frequency and premiums paid for salary dumps to decline ... making it more difficult to pick-up good NHL players on the cheap from teams that just need the cap space.

Outside of putting premium assets on the block, which the Canucks have thus far refused to do, I'm not sure how they address the forward group (especially at centre) adequately this summer. I do expect the 1st rounder to be moved around the draft for some talent, if they can manage to find a deal, but I don't think that carries a whole heck of a lot of value in this draft.

I think another option if they can’t get a guy like Ehlers/Marner is to bet low on a bunch of underutilized potential 2nd liners or get older guys on super short term deals and use them as short term patches.

 

[arttk]

Yes, it's not a great year and most of the UFAs per usual will re-up with existing teams or prefer to play in the US. With the flap-cap era over, teams also aren't putting the premium on cap space that they once were, so I also expect frequency and premiums paid for salary dumps to decline ... making it more difficult to pick-up good NHL players on the cheap from teams that just need the cap space.

Outside of putting premium assets on the block, which the Canucks have thus far refused to do, I'm not sure how they address the forward group (especially at centre) adequately this summer. I do expect the 1st rounder to be moved around the draft for some talent, if they can manage to find a deal, but I don't think that carries a whole heck of a lot of value in this draft.

i think there are solutions as long as you don't limit yourself into thinking every guy we get has to be a long term fix. If we can't get a guy like Ehlers/Marner then we should just spread that cap on like 3 2nd liners or something. I would be more pessimistic with this group if they haven't shown they are actually good at pro scouting, you can fix a lot of problems when pro scouting is good.

 

[TruGr1t]

I think another option if they can’t get a guy like Ehlers/Marner is to bet low on a bunch of underutilized potential 2nd liners or get older guys on super short term deals and use them as short term patches.

Assuming they miss out on Bennett, which is, let's be honest, pretty likely, I think they'll absolutely pivot to Tavares (if he hits the market) and Granlund. Outside of that, I guess you could take a shot on a guy like Donato, but I'm not convinced his uptick in production isn't just linked to playing for a bad Chicago team.

If you have no UFA options, I think it's likely they give Suter a new contract and try to bolster scoring on the wings.

 

[arttk]

Assuming they miss out on Bennett, which is, let's be honest, pretty likely, I think they'll absolutely pivot to Tavares (if he hits the market) and Granlund. Outside of that, I guess you could take a shot on a guy like Donato, but I'm not convinced his uptick in production isn't just linked to playing for a bad Chicago team.

If you have no UFA options, I think it's likely they give Suter a new contract and try to bolster scoring on the wings.

I would go Duchene, Donato and Granlund, yeah they are old guys but they probably won't command term and we can just use them to fill the gap for now. Hell might as well go low on Dadonov.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

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[TruGr1t]

I would go Duchene, Donato and Granlund, yeah they are old guys but they probably won't command term and we can just use them to fill the gap for now.

I'm not convinced Duchene won't just sign another one-year deal in Dallas with whatever cap space they have. Chicago is also working on an extension with Donato, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up staying there. That leaves Granlund as basically the only worthwhile option on the market, maybe Tavares.

Best hope is probably someone does actually have to ditch an underperforming veteran contract for cap reasons and you can get some guy on the relative cheap in trade.

 

[Canucker]

I'm not convinced Duchene won't just sign another one-year deal in Dallas with whatever cap space they have. Chicago is also working on an extension with Donato, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up staying there. That leaves Granlund as basically the only worthwhile option on the market, maybe Tavares.

The problem I see is that even spending on these "stop gap" options at center is only good if you have something coming up to fill that gap, and thats something we don't have...even if we draft one this year that's probably a bigger gap than we'd want.

 

[supercanuck]

I think the biggest question mark going into the offseason is what is the team's identity, and with that, can Tocc coach the team to that identity. If Tocc is back, are Ehler and Marner his type of players? I'm really not sure. We've seen how smaller offensive players have struggled in his system.

 

[arttk]

I'm not convinced Duchene won't just sign another one-year deal in Dallas with whatever cap space they have. Chicago is also working on an extension with Donato, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up staying there. That leaves Granlund as basically the only worthwhile option on the market, maybe Tavares.

Best hope is probably someone does actually have to ditch an underperforming veteran contract for cap reasons and you can get some guy on the relative cheap in trade.

Stars have 7 open roster spots and 5M in cap, they are going to need to get really really creative if they want to retain Duchene.

 

[ManVanFan]

I'm not convinced Duchene won't just sign another one-year deal in Dallas with whatever cap space they have. Chicago is also working on an extension with Donato, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up staying there. That leaves Granlund as basically the only worthwhile option on the market, maybe Tavares.

Best hope is probably someone does actually have to ditch an underperforming veteran contract for cap reasons and you can get some guy on the relative cheap in trade.

I'd say Canucks would have to overpay to get free agents to come this year. As I said before Allvin going to get fired and leave the next guy with no prospect pool and a bunch of bad contracts.

 

[TruGr1t]

Stars have 7 open roster spots and 5M in cap, they are going to need to get really really creative if they want to retain Duchene.

Yes, I checked that out. But I still think the player has bent a lot to stay there, and will probably continue to do so. Maybe this is the off-season where it breaks, but you have to assume his first preference is to stay in Dallas.

 

[arttk]

The problem I see is that even spending on these "stop gap" options at center is only good if you have something coming up to fill that gap, and thats something we don't have...even if we draft one this year that's probably a bigger gap than we'd want.

i mean every TDL/UFA is an opportunity to fill that hole, if you can't fill it long term you just patch it and that's the whole f***ing point of having good pro scouting.

I think it also depends on how KK and Mynio does too, if one of them comes up next season as an injury call up and smashes it like Dpetey, then you have actually valuable trade chip to use in Dpetey.

Yes, I checked that out. But I still think the player has bent a lot to stay there, and will probably continue to do so. Maybe this is the off-season where it breaks, but you have to assume his first preference is to stay in Dallas.

I don't doub that, but it's more like even if he takes 2, how does the stars fill 6 rosters spots with 3M? I guess they can make a trade but that seems bold to trade younger guys to keep a 34/35 year old around?

 

[ManVanFan]

Vancouver has one of the worst looking cap situations next season. 7th least amount of cap space currently for next season. What makes it the worst is that most, if not all of those teams with less or around the same cap space already most of their top 6 and top 4 D all locked up.

Van has their D locked up and very comparable to the other teams but their top 6 is extremely lacking compared to Dal, Col, Nyr, Tb, Stl, Edm, Nj, Vgk in similar cap situations.

 

[vancityluongo]

if willander is nhl ready next season, we essentially have a defenseman to move - probably d-petey. which, as incredible as he's been, we can't expect a 21 year old to have a flawless continued upward trajectory. if we can get an elite young forward back for him, that has to be in consideration. peterka would be a perfect fit.

debrusk - pettersson - peterka
xxxx - chytil - garland
joshua - blueger - sherwood
hoglander - xxxx - o'connor

hughes - hronek
pettersson - myers
forbort - willander

lankinen
demko

with a boat load of cap space to fill those spots. nyquist is probably a likely candidate that allvin would go after, and they could probably just keep suter. done. if you can land ehlers, terrific. if you can't, you have a decent amount of money available and maybe the pathway to adding is to get paid to take on a shit contract of the josh anderson or brendan gallagher variety.

it's not a sexy star powered lineup up front, but it has depth, with a good blend of skillsets throughout the lineup. the big question mark is if the top line can produce - you need 90+ points from pettersson, and another level from both debrusk and peterka.

edit: oops i thought peterka had another year of elc left. he can still fit, but he's probably getting boeser+ money so there's not much left to add beyond that.

 

[arttk]

Vancouver has one of the worst looking cap situations next season. 7th least amount of cap space currently for next season. What makes it the worst is that most, if not all of those teams with less or around the same cap space already most of their top 6 and top 4 D all locked up.

Van has their D locked up and very comparable to the other teams but their top 6 is extremely lacking compared to Dal, Col, Nyr, Tb, Stl, Edm, Nj, Vgk in similar cap situations.

we have 14M in cap and really 3 spots to fill, wtf are you talking about?

 

[krutovsdonut]

So half the reports say they were offered a 1st, half saying they weren't.

My guess is they were offered a 1st but like the original report suggests, there was more to the deal that the Canucks did not like / they weren't offered a 1st straight up.

yep. basically, it's sports journalism as allstar wrestling. for any hockey team where there are enough twitter followers to make it worthwhile clickfarming, half the twitter media are heels chasing heat and half are faces. none of them are going to provide the obvious essential clarifying context that kills a controversy dead until it has been fully milked of all heat. heels let faces have their turns between the ropes and vice versa.

kind of a poor show really. friedman is the only main event. everyone else is mid-card.

tune in tomorrow and the roles may change.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I’m fine with Tavares but not at 7.5M. 5.5M at most.

 

[vancityluongo]

yep. basically, it's sports journalism as allstar wrestling. for any hockey team where there are enough twitter followers to make it worthwhile clickfarming, half the twitter media are heels chasing heat and half are faces. none of them are going to provide the obvious essential clarifying context that kills a controversy dead until it has been fully milked of all heat. heels let faces have their turns between the ropes and vice versa.

kind of a poor show really. friedman is the only main event. everyone else is mid-card.

tune in tomorrow and the roles may change.

it really has gone downhill since bob mckenzie retired. lebrun used to be so much better too but he's washed

 

[krutovsdonut]

if willander is nhl ready next season, we essentially have a defenseman to move - probably d-petey. which, as incredible as he's been, we can't expect a 21 year old to have a flawless continued upward trajectory. if we can get an elite young forward back for him, that has to be in consideration. peterka would be a perfect fit.

confused as to why a rhd elc player making the team would force you to move a lhd elc player. if willander is good enough he is going to be pushing mancini into the #7 slot if everyone is healthy. more likely they ripen him in abby though to make sure he learns the system thoroughly.

also imo moving a dman during their sophomore season is a big no no. regression is nearly automatic once rookie treatment ends so you are selling low.

we are eventually going to get jammed if kudryatsev and mynio continue to come on.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Also kind of crazy that Tavares is 6 months from being 35. I turn 34 next month and when I was 18 back in 2009 I used to think “this would have been my draft year”. Lmao.

 

[krutovsdonut]

it really has gone downhill since bob mckenzie retired. lebrun used to be so much better too but he's washed

same as rock music since the 1970s. there's not as much money in it and barely any chicks so the talent isn't there. mckenzie was the last rock star. now it's just boy bands and friedman.