What I really hope they do is build through the draft steadily for a while until they have something there that will provide sustained success not these one offs. They may end up as the lowest GPG in the league this season. Who the heck thinks that you should go for a playoff spot when you have a minus 19 goal differential. If Allvin had balls, he would have sold sold sold at the tdl and taken the firing if they missed the playoffs. At least the next guy would have a head start instead of Allvin getting fired burying the team in bad contracts and zero prospects like the past couple GM's have done.
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would vancouver had been interestted in cody ceci earlier on before they got mp29. maybe swap for dehernais?
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For me this is it exactly. We've said no so many times I feel like we need to at least try to acquire assets for once. How do you know something won't work if you never try it. I'm tired of flittering seasons away with no eye to the future.
I hear you on the second though, and definitely not our top 3 prospects. If it was truly just a second I somewhat understand it but shoot can't we just make a move to get better in the future once? Like c'mon have a concentrated plan instead of just sacrificing our future every year. It's getting boring.
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Far better than the 2022 season being over before it starts. Defense still wins championships. Really most cup winning teams are great at it. Tocc hockey that is. They're just better than us.
Do people really thin there is a switch some coach could turn to make us discernably better than we are?
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When people in and around the league are asking "What is Van doing" again, it's an issue. It happened during Benning's years as well.
Not only is it getting boring, it's not working.
I understand they are making a sad attempt at the playoffs.
I'm very optimistic about the Canucks usually but this tdl was so questionable. I'm not watching another Canuck the rest of the year. They would have to make the finals for me to pay attention. Maybe when something that resembles a plan shows up.
PPG represents the low end of the numbers. Players scoring between those numbers listed beside
1-32 1.03 PPG
33-64 .83 PPG Miller
65-96 .72 PPG
97-128 .62 PPG Boeser, Pettersson
129-160 .54 PPG Garland, Debrusk
161-192 .47 PPG Chytil
193-224 .41 PPG Suter, Sherwood
225-256 .37 PPG
257-298 .32 PPG O'Connor
Blueger, Joshua, Hoglander, Sasson, Lekkerimaki, Raty, Bains, PDG.
1-32 1.03 PPG
33-64 .83 PPG Miller
65-96 .72 PPG
97-128 .62 PPG Boeser, Pettersson
129-160 .54 PPG Garland, Debrusk
161-192 .47 PPG Chytil
193-224 .41 PPG Suter, Sherwood
225-256 .37 PPG
257-298 .32 PPG O'Connor
Blueger, Joshua, Hoglander, Sasson, Lekkerimaki, Raty, Bains, PDG.
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hypothetically speaking, if you were a team looking to make a deadline day addition, would you even call Vancouver up?
let's face it, Vancouver is a more annoying trade partner than say the Bruins were at the deadline. we all know the restrictions management are working with. if someone goes out, someone's gotta come in (except for Soucy lmao). I'm sure the other 31 teams know that. For example's sake: A team asks for Brock, we say we're open to it but we want to add a roster player back, team says "well that doesn't work for us, we would like to keep our players so that we can win things", we say "well this other team might give us a roster player, can you hold on while we go talk to them". It's hardly an ideal situation, right? no team wants to "run out of time" and dealing with the Canucks can be annoying and complicated and uncertain.
perhaps teams were trying to take advantage of our position, but equally, could some teams have decided not to waste their time talking to us when they know there's a chance that the whole thing just falls over anyway.
and I wonder if that's more or less how the Hurricanes stuff went, a team that notably had to prioritise something else and then do what they could do afterwards. Let's say they offer a 1st, we say we want a player back who suits our needs and we can't find one (noting that someone like Norris is now off the table) so we're not gonna do the trade until we line up a roster player. Hurricanes say well actually we've got a one shiny Jesperi Kotkaniemi, but you'll need to even the ledger up, can we have (unnamed prospect and therefore not necessarily the big 3 at the top of the list) and we say no-way. trade collapses. the hurricanes run out of time.
I'm just spit balling here. but to me, I would understand teams going after more achievable options. and to me, the inflexibility would logically flow into disappointing trade offers.
i mean, that seems easier said than done. obviously we went after Norris and I could see a Brock return fitting into that scheme, but once Cozens/Norris got traded for one another.....
let's face it, Vancouver is a more annoying trade partner than say the Bruins were at the deadline. we all know the restrictions management are working with. if someone goes out, someone's gotta come in (except for Soucy lmao). I'm sure the other 31 teams know that. For example's sake: A team asks for Brock, we say we're open to it but we want to add a roster player back, team says "well that doesn't work for us, we would like to keep our players so that we can win things", we say "well this other team might give us a roster player, can you hold on while we go talk to them". It's hardly an ideal situation, right? no team wants to "run out of time" and dealing with the Canucks can be annoying and complicated and uncertain.
perhaps teams were trying to take advantage of our position, but equally, could some teams have decided not to waste their time talking to us when they know there's a chance that the whole thing just falls over anyway.
and I wonder if that's more or less how the Hurricanes stuff went, a team that notably had to prioritise something else and then do what they could do afterwards. Let's say they offer a 1st, we say we want a player back who suits our needs and we can't find one (noting that someone like Norris is now off the table) so we're not gonna do the trade until we line up a roster player. Hurricanes say well actually we've got a one shiny Jesperi Kotkaniemi, but you'll need to even the ledger up, can we have (unnamed prospect and therefore not necessarily the big 3 at the top of the list) and we say no-way. trade collapses. the hurricanes run out of time.
I'm just spit balling here. but to me, I would understand teams going after more achievable options. and to me, the inflexibility would logically flow into disappointing trade offers.
i mean, that seems easier said than done. obviously we went after Norris and I could see a Brock return fitting into that scheme, but once Cozens/Norris got traded for one another.....
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Yeah, its one thing to go scorched earth if you've got the resume for it...but this is Allvin's first real gig, JR might have the gravitas to do that, but Allvin certainly wouldn't.
Theoretically if Van misses the playoffs this year and starts out like garbage next year again. What are the chances he keeps his job if his mandate is playoffs every year?
I mean FA will then hire another GM that will promise him he can turn it around quick and Van can repeat the current process again.
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Considering how long it took him to fire Benning and replace him? I'd say he's got another 3-4 years of mushy middle seasons before he gets canned.
Allvin dug himself a hole at the tdl. More trades? With what assets? The three he won't give up.
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If the owner wants to push for the playoffs thats what Allvin is going to do...it was JR's job to manage FA, not Allvin's...if anyone failed it was JR.
And to be honest, I'm not sure they think they failed if they're all in lockstep towards making the playoffs...not the direction I would have chosen, but I don't write the checks. Just have to hope their bet reaps some kind of reward.
Looking back, Benning's stealth tanks were kind of a thing of beauty. Expectation's were low for Benning, he had half the staff, the team had no future at all. Benning opened the window for contention. The Canucks can't score goals. With the team almost set for next year, what's the plan for contending in this window?Considering how long it took him to fire Benning and replace him? I'd say he's got another 3-4 years of mushy middle seasons before he gets canned.
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Is that what we are calling them now? "Stealth tanks"? lol...they couldn't even tank properly, they'd go out and get on a heater in the last month or so of the season.
I have no idea what JR/PA's plan is going into next season, but I'm curious to find out...if they crap the bed I won't have much time for them, but I'm prepared to give them this season as their "mulligan"...beyond that, its up to them to prove their mettle.
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Allvin has not instilled much faith in me this season. Not sure if the Canucks will ever go anywhere until Aquaman sells off the team to someone who is willing to make major changes to improve the hockey club. At this point I'm starting to believe that Aqualini is the real mastermind of all of these stupid decisions during the Benning era and now the Rutherford/Allvin era. General managers are just puppets to the sick game that Aquaman is playing with the fans heads. This regime goal is to simply make the playoffs "To make Aquaman money", not necessarily to win the cup.
Am I pissed off at Allvin and Rutherford for not trading Boeser and doing more at the deadline?. You bet I am, IMO you don't keep players who don't plan on moving forward with. You get any asset you can get, hell I would of taken a 2nd rounder for Boes if that was was the best offer available. Now Boeser walks for nothing especially the way he's been called out by Allvin and Tochett. Which is a whole another level of stupidity by management.
My Dad, my friends Dads are all getting up there in age. They keep saying to me, "Brett I guess I will never see the Canucks win the cup in my lifetime". The 43 year old me responds, "Don't worry, neither will I!".
Am I pissed off at Allvin and Rutherford for not trading Boeser and doing more at the deadline?. You bet I am, IMO you don't keep players who don't plan on moving forward with. You get any asset you can get, hell I would of taken a 2nd rounder for Boes if that was was the best offer available. Now Boeser walks for nothing especially the way he's been called out by Allvin and Tochett. Which is a whole another level of stupidity by management.
My Dad, my friends Dads are all getting up there in age. They keep saying to me, "Brett I guess I will never see the Canucks win the cup in my lifetime". The 43 year old me responds, "Don't worry, neither will I!".
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soucy trade tho really helped the cap, if brock leaves, man we have a stupid amount of cap 2 work with.
And we basically just need forwards
And we basically just need forwards
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C but can play wing
almost a PPG player.
Plays in the bumper on the PP.
Can take face offs.
But because of his age he is unable to sign anything long term. Its the perfect filler player until we sign, trade for or develop another C. Right now he would be our 1C
But there aren’t likely to be any top line forwards available to us, and if any are available via trade, they will be extremely expensive to acquire as their cap hits will be far lower than the inflated prices getting paid at free agency.
We are going to see the opposite of the flat cap this off season. During the flat cap, good players, like Schmidt, were getting given away for mid round picks. Now, we are going to see good players with a year or two left on their contracts, be more valuable than their play dictates.
There is a chance this phenomenon is delayed or lessened just based on sheer cap space available (I.e., a lot of teams just don’t spend to the cap).
Debrusk Petey ??
?? ?? Garland
Sherwood chytil lekk
Oconner blu hog
Idk where Joshua even fits anymore
We'll have 29.91 dollars with this before replacing forbort and adding willanders ELC. Not sure that's enough to really grab three impact forwards. I don't know if there are 3 impact forwards available.
I'd like ehlers.
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i don't think there's a snowball's hope in hell that he'd come here, but why are you opposed?
There's 5 teams a year's fan bases that say there team screwed up the last season of every month by winning games. Haha.
It's hard to see the plan when they are continuously limiting their options, mostly because of the owner wants. Somehow have to outsmart the owner or basically go against what he wants.
When almost the entire fan base is against what you've done. It's very Benning esque.
More than half the league has more cap space than Van next season.
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