I don’t think the Canucks will be an easy out if they make the playoffs. They are the kind of team you don’t want to face as a high seed in the playoffs imo.
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The only thing more terrible for getting nothing for Brock at the TDL is to overpay him as a UFA. Letting him walk now seems to be the less terrible thing to do. This is as obvious as the Lindholm contract, where it was telegraph a mile away that it would turn bad very quickly. If the team signing BB6 has a elite play driving 1C (like JTM or better) and staple Brock to him, then they'll get a couple years of decent production. Otherwise, its going to be bad the minute they put pen to paper.
No, signing Boeser to 7+ million a year with term would look much worse. Boeser is on pace for 55 pts in a contract year and is past his career highs.
Even with inflation he’s really only worth like 6.5-7m. I think there is a way to keep him if we can keep the AAV all the way down but it seems like he wants term and money.
We can certainly Tocc hockey and goaltend into a series win. A deep run is extremely unlikely though. Remember not even prime Hasek in the Dead Puck Era could carry a mediocre Sabres to a SCF win.
By almost every metric I can find, we grade out as a team that is a bottom 3 offensive team in the league - the only team I can confidently say we're better than is the Blackhawks, and that's where the list ends. That sounds EXACTLY like a team a high seed would want to play - you score 1st and the game is effectively over with how this team struggles to score.
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Jets have really had the Canucks number for a while now. I don’t think the Canucks would beat him.
Be fine facing them and ultimately bowing out to them. Then wish them the best vs the Avs and stars winner.
No I don’t want term with him, he’s slow and inconsistent and typically a 50sh point player. He’s 6-6.5 million a year, 4 maybe 5 year term. He’s really a Toffoli type player, paying anything over 6.5 is insane.
With 14M of cap space:
_______-Pettersson-_______
Debrusk-_______-_______
O Connor-Chytil-Garland
Joshua-Blueger-Sherwood
Hoglander
Hughes-Hronek
M.Pettersson-Myers
Pettersson-Willander
Mancini
Lankinen
Demko
Boeser, Suter, Forbort UFA’s
Curious what they decide to do with Demko, Hoglander, and probably Joshua, all currently not playing up to contracts. I think they’ll give Joshua a pass and I’d personally love to see him back with an entire summer of training behind his back. Demko and Hoglander I have no clue.
What do we think of Hoglander? I love the fact that he’s an agitator and plays with pace but he’s making 3M next year but I don’t see a clear fit for him with O Connor, Joshua, and Sherwood already filling similar roles while being bigger.
_______-Pettersson-_______
Debrusk-_______-_______
O Connor-Chytil-Garland
Joshua-Blueger-Sherwood
Hoglander
Hughes-Hronek
M.Pettersson-Myers
Pettersson-Willander
Mancini
Lankinen
Demko
Boeser, Suter, Forbort UFA’s
Curious what they decide to do with Demko, Hoglander, and probably Joshua, all currently not playing up to contracts. I think they’ll give Joshua a pass and I’d personally love to see him back with an entire summer of training behind his back. Demko and Hoglander I have no clue.
What do we think of Hoglander? I love the fact that he’s an agitator and plays with pace but he’s making 3M next year but I don’t see a clear fit for him with O Connor, Joshua, and Sherwood already filling similar roles while being bigger.
Pettersson needs to light the league on fire for the rest of the season, or he needs to be gone. 14 million for 4 top six players is a lot harder than 26 for 5.
D and G are in good shape at least. That forward group is awful though. I also think the depth chart will look more like this though, when we miss out on all the big and medium fish in free agency.
Debrusk-Pettersson-O'Connor
Sherwood-Chytil-Lekkerimaki
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Hoglander-Aman/Sasson-Karlsson
Marner, Bennett, Duchene, Tavares, Donato, Nelson, Palmieri and Boeser are the top UFA forwards. Marchand, Benn and Kane if we're willing to go much older too.
D and G are in good shape at least. That forward group is awful though. I also think the depth chart will look more like this though, when we miss out on all the big and medium fish in free agency.
Debrusk-Pettersson-O'Connor
Sherwood-Chytil-Lekkerimaki
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Hoglander-Aman/Sasson-Karlsson
Marner, Bennett, Duchene, Tavares, Donato, Nelson, Palmieri and Boeser are the top UFA forwards. Marchand, Benn and Kane if we're willing to go much older too.
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DeBrusk Pettersson xxxx
xxxx xxxx Lekkerimaki
OConnor Chytil Garland
Joshua Blueger Sherwood
Hughes Willander
DPetey Hronek
MPetey Myers
Mancini
Lankinen
Demko
Trade Hoglander and that gives us over 17M to find a top line winger for Pete, and a 2nd line winger and centre. Definitely doable.
This is the most realistic outcome. Biggest question is who is going to be this young centre at 8Mill or under and what do we have to give up to acquire them. (A guy like Miller would look great there).
xxxx xxxx Lekkerimaki
OConnor Chytil Garland
Joshua Blueger Sherwood
Hughes Willander
DPetey Hronek
MPetey Myers
Mancini
Lankinen
Demko
Trade Hoglander and that gives us over 17M to find a top line winger for Pete, and a 2nd line winger and centre. Definitely doable.
This is the most realistic outcome. Biggest question is who is going to be this young centre at 8Mill or under and what do we have to give up to acquire them. (A guy like Miller would look great there).
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Hot take time. Move Hoglander, either someone in the bottom six or Myers and a goalie, and go hard after Marner and Bennett. They share an agent, are both on teams walking a razors edge with the cap if they want to bring their teams back next year, let alone improve or address deficiencies in their line ups, and bring what we would be missing from losing Hoglander, Suter and Boeser, but more so.
It'll never happen, I don't want to find out what each guy would get, but if we had 23 million a season to throw at those two, that would fix a lot of issues. Plus neither seems like a "Tocchet doghouse" kind of guy.
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the report that they did get a 1st for boeser from offer from carolina and turned it down is not a good look.
but im going to wait for drance to verify things. he was saying on canucks talk today that he would look into it more, but he was first to report they didn’t get offered a first so for now he’s sticking to that given who told him.
his interesting nuggets that didn’t get picked up: forbort didn’t have a market which is a bad look for the leagues pro scouting because hes been good lol
and suter.. thats the one he said they made a choice. which to me implies they probably got a “fair” offer (a 2nd?) and turned it down and said they think they can re-sign him
but im going to wait for drance to verify things. he was saying on canucks talk today that he would look into it more, but he was first to report they didn’t get offered a first so for now he’s sticking to that given who told him.
his interesting nuggets that didn’t get picked up: forbort didn’t have a market which is a bad look for the leagues pro scouting because hes been good lol
and suter.. thats the one he said they made a choice. which to me implies they probably got a “fair” offer (a 2nd?) and turned it down and said they think they can re-sign him
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toronto can afford to sign marner and bennett to 14m each if they want. they have twice the cap space vancouver has and the only guys they need to resign are tavares and marner
florida is a little tighter but they can offer bennett 14m too if they let ekblad walk
(not that bennett is worth 14m, but neither team is gonna lose a significant player because they were capped out)
If indeed they were offered a first rounder for Boeser, Allvin would have accepted in a heartbeat. He then would have flipped it to a lottery-bound team for a player who could help them 'now'.
I'm guessing the best they were offered was maybe a second or third--and probably not until 2026. I believe Allvin when he stated that the Canucks were 'low-balled' when it came to offers for Boeser.
Just need to fill 2 spots, first line winger and 2C/W. We can hold till TDL to fill that last 2nd line spot
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as for what the canucks do this offseason the free agent market is really, really thin. especially at wing. here's the top 32 free agents (based on their salaries this year) at forward:
tavares
marner
benn
boeser
giroux
marchand
hall
nelson
ehlers
mangiapane
kuzmenko
gourde
(mikael) granlund
(reilly) smith
dvorak
bennett
iafallo
fabbri
(patrick) kane
(brandon) tanev
mantha
armia
faksa
nyquist
duchene
skinner
roslovic
mcginn
kunin
jeannot
kuraly
drouin
of those i expect a bunch reup where they are (tavares, marner, giroux, hall, mangiapane, gourde, smith, bennett, duchene, roslovic, drouin), a few will retire or end up in europe (kuzmenko? kane? marchand? mantha?) and the leftovers get a ton of interest. i think columbus, carolina and los angeles will all be very aggressive in pursuing forwards and all of them have a ton of cap space. benn, boeser, nelson, granlund and ehlers will probably be the "prizes" of free agency. some team will try to talk themselves into fabbri or iafallo as a big addition
what does this mean for vancouver? they need to make a trade to get the player they need for their top six or maybe settle for benn or granlund on a (hopefully) short term deal
what i really hope they don't do is repeat this season's mistake and go in with a light roster and plan to address the problem near or at the deadline
tavares
marner
benn
boeser
giroux
marchand
hall
nelson
ehlers
mangiapane
kuzmenko
gourde
(mikael) granlund
(reilly) smith
dvorak
bennett
iafallo
fabbri
(patrick) kane
(brandon) tanev
mantha
armia
faksa
nyquist
duchene
skinner
roslovic
mcginn
kunin
jeannot
kuraly
drouin
of those i expect a bunch reup where they are (tavares, marner, giroux, hall, mangiapane, gourde, smith, bennett, duchene, roslovic, drouin), a few will retire or end up in europe (kuzmenko? kane? marchand? mantha?) and the leftovers get a ton of interest. i think columbus, carolina and los angeles will all be very aggressive in pursuing forwards and all of them have a ton of cap space. benn, boeser, nelson, granlund and ehlers will probably be the "prizes" of free agency. some team will try to talk themselves into fabbri or iafallo as a big addition
what does this mean for vancouver? they need to make a trade to get the player they need for their top six or maybe settle for benn or granlund on a (hopefully) short term deal
what i really hope they don't do is repeat this season's mistake and go in with a light roster and plan to address the problem near or at the deadline
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One thing people struggle with sometimes when the reliable journalists get different reports.. who is giving them the info
another thing i always feel ppl miss when relatively reliable people are reporting different things: who is briefing who
these guys are all fairly reliable. carolina benefits by leaking that they did try to do something and van didn’t want to do it. van benefits by saying that teams made the same offers that beauvillier got.
i usually just go with drance & sat on this stuff but even they seem to be reporting different things
They don't have enough to do that if they aren't looking to downgrade their forwards (for Toronto) or D (Florida) with the other players they'd lose/need to replace, and still ice a full roster. They definitely have more cap space, but they also have needs to retain, or replace, and then improve on as well.
27 million in cap looks like a lot, until you see the holes in their roster. Knies, Robertson, Haakanpaa, Patches, Lorentz and Holmberg are all cheap replacements to tread water, but Tavares, even at say 6-7 million, would be another giant hole in their roster. Having a replacement through trade or UFA wouldn't be free either. Toronto only has 7 forwards, but have 6 D (and two are depth guys) and both goalie spots filled.
Florida would be losing/not replacing Ekblad that way. That, three/four forwards, another D and a back up goalie are all needed to ice. They have 10 forwards, 5 D and a goalie signed that are on the roster now. Unlike Toronto, I think Florida could do better improving from with in, as they have a glut of 2nd line guys all the way down to their press box, but that would make Bennett less of a priority to me. They have 19 million in cap space, but could find a replacement for a top six forward, or a replacement for the bottom six guy getting a promotion, cheaper than Bennett.
I'm in no way saying my method would work, or that we should realistically do it (moving three players to make room for UFAs would more likely explode in our face before benefit us), but Toronto and Florida having more cap space isn't the deterrent it looks like. Look how often we go into free agency expecting a big fish or two, even our own, and we end up with a bunch of fill ins for players for the guys we let walk, and maybe a medium fish (no the obvious comparison isn't lost here on me either).
I'd just like a risk taken, even if it doesn't work. Playing it safe/taking the safe path hasn't worked so far here.
I think you need to sometimes say no and hold to it so you don’t get pushed around later in other negotiations.
To me there is more positives to say no when the return is bad.
Would have loved to get some assets… but dammit.
Also think so far it’s prettyy clear no 1st was offered for him. Just look who is saying so vs who is contradicting it. I think maybe there was an offer like PJ is reporting, but that’s also an easy no, especially if it’s one of our better prospects.
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