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[TruGr1t]

Brock is about to get Klingberg'd.

Offer him 5 years x 5 M or let him walk.

I doubt it’s that severe, but in order to get the higher-end of his contract range he may have to seek out a rebuilding team with lots of cap space in a peripheral market who is just willing to swallow the twilight years of the contract. Either that or lower his total overall ask to go somewhere more desirable and competitive.

 

[arttk]

I label him in the do no sign. His best years are behind him. The second any contract with him is signed it's going to be a bad contract.

depends on the AAV, everyday he is playing himself to a lower AAV.

 

[pitseleh]

Dreger on Sekeres and Price just echoed Friedman that a 1st was never offered for Boeser, in fact he went further and said by near the end of the deadline teams wouldn't offer a 2nd rounder for him. It's going to be VERY interesting to see what kind of contract Boeser gets in the summer.

If he’s got anything going for him, it’s that the teams that are likely to overpay him are not the ones that were buyers at the deadline.

 

[arttk]

I doubt it’s that severe, but in order to get the higher-end of his contract range he may have to seek out a rebuilding team with lots of cap space in a peripheral market who is just willing to swallow the twilight years of the contract. Either that or lower his total overall ask to go somewhere more desirable and competitive.

is that Chicago music in the background?

 

[TruGr1t]

is that Chicago music in the background?

I was thinking teams with burgeoning young stars, could also see San Jose etc. I could see teams like that paying up because Boeser has proven he can be a complimentary scorer and would fit in well alongside young players.

 

[bossram]

no. literarily, you didn't read my statement carefully or you are unreasonably parsing it. you are mistaken in calling my statement false unless going into last season you thought the team could realistically aspire to be more than a wildcard team that year.

Didn't think I was a writer. Thanks Krutov. I'll keep trying to write literarily.

they need to resign suter and add a center. suter simply isn't nearly as effective at c as he is at wing

He's been elite defensively as a center for two seasons with VAN.

I think his offensive production is muted at center, but that is probably more to do with him playing with worse linemates at center vs. wing (e.g. a lot of his time as a winger was with Miller/Boeser).

 

[Kickassguy]

Just theorizing here, but another potential possibility -- Vancouver tried to get KK included in the deal with Carolina so they could flip the entire return (and any other necessary adds) to the Sens, who clearly wanted a replacement C in place, for Norris, and Carolina saw this as leverage to ask for a higher level of prospect than Vancouver was willing to move.

 

[Vector]

Boeser

• No one can answer why he didn’t get traded; level of interest wasn’t there for him
• No 1st round pick was offered
• A team or two nibbled on the idea of trading a 2nd round pick and then that disappeared
• Canucks like their chances and believe that Boeser’s productivity will rebound
• Wasn’t through a lack of effort
• Canucks were willing to retain 50% of Boeser’s contract

Pettersson

• Maybe some tirekicking heading into the deadline
• Doesn’t have a trade protection until July 1st
• Is still viewed as a valuable asset

Suter & Forbort

• Wasn’t anything offered that made more sense than keeping the players

Canucks’ TDL

• Didn’t want to pay the rental prices
• Leading up to the deadline, was told the Canucks were focused on acquiring a centre
• Canucks put the feelers out there to draw a crowd; to see if there’s a player that hadn’t been speculated on
• Circled around Josh Norris

Off-Season Plans

• Feels confident they can make the changes in the off-season

Tocchet

• Haven’t poked around

Ownership Mandate

• Doesn’t believe that management was constrained by ownership in any way
• Every ownership group wants to make the playoffs
• Never got the sense that there was any type of mandate
• Messaging that Dreger was given was that their approach to the TDL was more about preparing for the off-season

Demko

• Will engage with contract extension discussions and if the Canucks don’t like the term and amount, they’ll trade him
• Premature, at this point, to say which way the Canucks are leaning
• Thinks the preference is to keep him
• Doesn’t think Demko’s demands will soften in any way; won’t be an injury discount nor need to be
• Could name 10 teams that would have interest in him

 

[arttk]

I was thinking teams with burgeoning young stars, could also see San Jose etc. I could see teams like that paying up because Boeser has proven he can be a complimentary scorer and would fit in well alongside young players.

i don't know, seems like SJ sold on Zetterlund because they don't want to have his cap around when the kids are getting their 2nd contract. Seems like it makes a ton of sense for Chicago to go after Brock because they are absolutely desperate for any kind of talent at this point.

 

[PavelBure10]

I had a weird feeling when Allvin was speaking to the press regarding Boeser that he was full of shit. I still get that feeling.

Come on if Beauvillier can garner a 2nd rounder, I find it hard to believe Boes couldn't receive a 1st as a rental.

I honestly haven't been pleased with Allvin this season. Starting the season off with Hughes, Myers, Desharnais, Forbort, Juulsen, Hronek, and Soucy as the defensive core sucked. Taking a beating on the Miller trade, and not trading Boeser. Last year Allvin was on the ball, this year he's way off. Just another Aquilinni puppet.

 

[Jerry the great]

Demko

• Will engage with contract extension discussions and if the Canucks don’t like the term and amount, they’ll trade him
• Premature, at this point, to say which way the Canucks are leaning
• Thinks the preference is to keep him
• Doesn’t think Demko’s demands will soften in any way; won’t be an injury discount nor need to be
• Could name 10 teams that would have interest in him

Not sure who's feeding Dreger this info, but they should probably put down the crack pipe

 

[Hodgy]

Not comparable imo

Marchand is injured and Friedman said he basically got to choose his destination

Marchand is injured and may never play another game this season and still got a conditional first. If he gets healthy enough all Florida has to do its win 2 rounds for it to become a 1st. He still fetches a 2nd of he never plays a game. It's a good trade for Boston considering the injury.

Fair point about the injury, but the report is that its pretty minor, and I saw two weeks as an estimate. I can't imagine there is any risk that he isn't healthy for the playoffs, and Florida would have received all of the medical imaging / evaluations and likely wasn't concerned.

Also Marchand is 36 years old and turning 37 in May. Boeser just turned 28.

Not particularly relevant for a rental. Marchand is outscoring Boeser this year. And again, I can't really see Carolina being overly interested in extending Boeser and Boeser's likely ask.

 

[arttk]

I had a weird feeling when Allvin was speaking to the press regarding Boeser that he was full of shit. I still get that feeling.

Come on if Beauvillier can garner a 2nd rounder, I find it hard to believe Boes couldn't receive a 1st as a rental.

I honestly haven't been pleased with Allvin this season. Starting the season off with Hughes, Myers, Desharnais, Forbort, Juulsen, Hronek, and Soucy as the defensive core sucked. Taking a beating on the Miller trade, and not trading Boeser. Last year Allvin was on the ball, this year he's way off. Just another Aquilinni puppet.

Marchand who is a better player got a conditional 1st rounder in 2028, 4 drafts from now...

 

[Agent007]

Just theorizing here, but another potential possibility -- Vancouver tried to get KK included in the deal with Carolina so they could flip the entire return (and any other necessary adds) to the Sens, who clearly wanted a replacement C in place, for Norris, and Carolina saw this as leverage to ask for a higher level of prospect than Vancouver was willing to move.

I think that makes sense with what we've been hearing. If the Rantanen traded got done sooner perhaps they would have tried to package Kotki and a 2nd for Norris but I think you can also make the case Ottawa got better value with Cozens and a 2nd. If anything I wonder if perhaps the plan was to trade for Kotki and then flip him for Cozens (not sure Buffalo would do that since they seem to value Norris quite highly).

This management group tried to do what Colorado did to an extent. Colorado made some major moves throughout the year and were able to reset a good chunk of their team through trades. Unfortunately we just don't have the kind of disposable assets other teams have (cap space was supposed to be our key asset and that just didn't materialize). Makes you wonder if the summer is going to be any different because this team clearly needs at least two key pieces up front.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Demko

• Will engage with contract extension discussions and if the Canucks don’t like the term and amount, they’ll trade him
• Premature, at this point, to say which way the Canucks are leaning
• Thinks the preference is to keep him
• Doesn’t think Demko’s demands will soften in any way; won’t be an injury discount nor need to be
• Could name 10 teams that would have interest in him

Won't be an injury discount or his demands will soften? Does he expect anything above 5M? Bye Bye Demko!

 

[arttk]

Won't be an injury discount or his demands will soften? Does he expect anything above 5M? Bye Bye Demko!

probably better to keep him for next season, his trade value has to be rock bottom. If we can get him to play like 30 games (from now to end of 1st half of next season) then he might have some trade value or maybe worth a gamble to extend.

 

[VancouverJagger]

I love managements optimism at being able to improve this offseason however I'm having a hard time seeing how we are gonna get 2 top 6 mid 20's forwards without giving up some premium assets. Our first(s) at minimum.......outside of that assuming our top 3 prospects (D Petey, Lekk and Willander) not sure we have the firepower necessary to get what we need.

We have cap space but soo does every other team in the league. Maybe something like our first, Kudryavtsev and Mancini gets it done but more than likely we are going to have to take a flyer on an underperforming asset and hope that they recover........

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[sandwichbird2023]

Brock is about to get Klingberg'd.

Offer him 5 years x 5 M or let him walk.

If Boeser takes a one year deal trying to rebuild his value, then he would really Klingberg'd himself. Unless he somehow finds a way to reunite with JTM (or a center of that calibre or better), Brock is probably heading toward a pretty steep decline.

I'm nervous with the rumor that the team made him offers on multiple days last week, reek of desperation. If Brock comes down a little from his ask, we risk having a massive anchor on the book for a long time. I wish Brock all the best and hope he gets his bag elsewhere.

I love managements optimism at being able to improve this offseason however I'm having a hard time seeing how we are gonna get 2 top 6 mid 20's forwards without giving up some premium assets. Our first(s) at minimum.......outside of that assuming our top 3 prospects (D Petey, Lekk and Willander) not sure we have the firepower necessary to get what we need.

We have cap space but soo does every other team in the league. Maybe something like our first, Kudryavtsev and Mancini gets it done but more than likely we are going to have to take a flyer on an underperforming asset and hope that they recover........

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They pretty much have to somehow land Marner or Ehlers. We don't have enough assets to trade for two top 6 forwards, yet we need at least 2 (probably more) of them. Getting one "for free" via UFA is vital.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I love managements optimism at being able to improve this offseason however I'm having a hard time seeing how we are gonna get 2 top 6 mid 20's forwards without giving up some premium assets. Our first(s) at minimum.......outside of that assuming our top 3 prospects (D Petey, Lekk and Willander) not sure we have the firepower necessary to get what we need.

We have cap space but soo does every other team in the league. Maybe something like our first, Kudryavtsev and Mancini gets it done but more than likely we are going to have to take a flyer on an underperforming asset and hope that they recover........

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Zero chance the team meaningfully improves this offseason.

I'd bet money on it.

1. Team has limited assets to trade.
2. Every team has money to spend.
3. Some players don't want to play in a Canadian market.
4. Team is average and abysmal at scoring.
5. Tocchet might be gone so possible uncertainty around coaching staff.
6. Miller/EP circus that went on for months.
7. Publicly throwing players under the bus.
8. No 1C if EP can't turn it around.

So they can talk all they want, I see this offseason ending up like last where you get a couple mid tier signings but won't do much to help the main area of need: scoring.

 

[platotld]

Ownership Mandate

• Doesn’t believe that management was constrained by ownership in any way
• Every ownership group wants to make the playoffs
• Never got the sense that there was any type of mandate
• Messaging that Dreger was given was that their approach to the TDL was more about preparing for the off-season

Well, I flew away and thought for a mintue and there is some SERIOUS shit going down that makes me believe Alvin and the Chipmunks got told and told well some things.

The cap is going up, the looney is going down, business on both sides is effected with Traiffs and well over alll it's just a rockey road the next few years over all, billionare or not no one likes to lose more money than they have to. Ticket prices are rising, fans are annoyed. The team ownership thought had a good chance to compete had lost 1 of its 3 main superstars, it's #1 goalie and a 2nd superstar is showing signs that his mind is gone to lala land. I could go into more stuff but we all have lives to life, suffice to say....

WHERE IS THE GOOD NEWS THIS YEAR ?? !! ??

No where. Ownership knows this. The only thing from being this fanbase (who spend their money on things they like or need during times of hardship) would consider a remotely small win for this year is PLAYOFFS. The Canucks have fed us hope with the Young D Men (I agree its been great), but really Im like ready for next year already and dreading that i'll be begging for Benning to come back in 3 years if they crap the bed anymore than the Canucks brass has done.

What do I know, but my little bird brain and ego says Oh hell no! THERE WAS A MANDATE playoffs or their gonna be heads rolling.

 

[Bgav]

Kyper on Kyper and Bourne "I had a source tell me they had a couple of good offers for boeser"

 

[Baby Pettersson]

probably better to keep him for next season, his trade value has to be rock bottom. If we can get him to play like 30 games (from now to end of 1st half of next season) then he might have some trade value or maybe worth a gamble to extend.

Agreed. It's a good thing he has another year to figure it out. But if next season is the same story then it's obvious we need to dump him.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Kyper on Kyper and Bourne "I had a source tell me they had a couple of good offers for boeser"

Of course they did. Absolute plugs were fetching 2nd round picks. I don't need sources to tell me what did or didn't happen. Just look at what other players fetched and put two and two together.

Management fumbled the bag.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

There isn’t a single team in the league that would sign Demko for anything more than a prove it, 1-2 year deal based off how his last few years have gone.

this market has the memory of a fishbowl that’s for sure lmao, some people are pounding the table for a Boeser extension - the guy had negative value until last year, teams were asking for a sweetener to take his contract. Love the guy, but separate the player from the person - signing him to a long term extension for the type of bucks/term he wants is going to age very poorly and very quickly.

 

[VancouverJagger]

They pretty much have to somehow land Marner or Ehlers. We don't have enough assets to trade for two top 6 forwards, yet we need at least 2 (probably more) of them. Getting one "for free" via UFA is vital.

Considering there are gonna be a lot of other suitors for their services I would not be banking on this. I could see them going after Bennet........as we need that match up guy. Problem is that we need him and another 1 or 2 top 6 guys.

Zero chance the team meaningfully improves this offseason.

I'd bet money on it.

1. Team has limited assets to trade.
2. Every team has money to spend.
3. Some players don't want to play in a Canadian market.
4. Team is average and abysmal at scoring.
5. Tocchet might be gone so possible uncertainty around coaching staff.
6. Miller/EP circus that went on for months.
7. Publicly throwing players under the bus.
8. No 1C if EP can't turn it around.

So they can talk all they want, I see this offseason ending up like last where you get a couple mid tier signings but won't do much to help the main area of need: scoring.

I'm not nearly that doom and gloom and have a hell of a lot more faith in this management team then what we have been saddled with the last decade. Remember when a month ago we were all lamenting about our league worst D? Things can change in a hurry. All of this however is a moot point if EP40 doesn't rebound.

Sign Ehlers, trade for McCann and boom.........we might have cause for optimism. (assuming that Petey works his ass off this offseason and comes back to most of the player he once was). I'm an optimist at heart so call me crazy but i do see a viable path to improving this offseason.