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[bandwagonesque]

I love the Sedins, still watch their highlights, and consider them the most influential and important players this organization has ever had. But it's clear at this point that whenever knee tendonitis is mentioned they sigh, get up from their unfinished meals, walk to a living room chair and loudly open newspapers. I also have it on good authority that the dog slinks away and hides in the mudroom.

 

[krutovsdonut]

mrs krutov went on an epic tirade against ep40 last night during the game. tore him to shreds. wants him gone. i was a little scared.

she's usually very soft spoken. the last hockey tirade was around christmas and about not trading jt miller, so she has not been a petey fan for a while. the one before that would i think have been around the time keenan traded linden which she was rather unhappy about. she was wrong about linden so could be wrong this time.

i am not going to repeat her critique. basically all of the negative stuff people are discussing here shaded to not giving any benefit of the doubt. just hates the player.

for my part i think pettersson does not appear to be sulking or dogging it. you can see that in the defensive work and in his faceoff effort. he gutted out a kick win late in the game that impressed me. for quite a while i thought he was misdirecting his energy trying to be a defensive centre and the next forsberg. now he is clearly actually trying to offence but is getting smothered. he is hampered by the fact he accelerates like a 35 year old and can't hold off anyone and protect the puck and has no confidence in his wrist shot so is predictably always looking to make a quick pass (or with hughes out take an average rushed slapper from near the blue line). the number of times he tries to deke or evade while standing still or using edgework at slow speed instead of skating away or hard pivoting at speed really tells. the number of rushed passes or shots that cough up possession also tells. 9/10 he tries to set up stationary to make a play and gets rushed and pushed over or off the puck all the time. basically, defending forwards know what he is going to do and have no fear he will make them look bad if they go right at him and take the body.

i'd entertain the idea he is struggling with a lower body injury that has hurt his skating and his ability to dig in and use leverage. i'd also entertain the idea the league has figured out how to deal with him and is relentlessly clowning him. it is not out of the question that around the league when he signed that contract guys took note and took it to another level in how they play against him and it turned out he could not handle that level of physical attention.

and if he is clashing with the sedins it is on not putting the work in and/or making excuses. simple as that.

all of which to me suggests that if he works out and gets healthy and mobile he could bounce back hard. as soon as he starts beating defenders and goalies again his confidence will spike i think he'd be lethal.

or he could have permanently lost a step to injury in which case he is toast unless he reinvents himself.

but for now, hooboy. he ain't no jt miller out there rallying the troops or leading by example, and the rest of the team is waiting for hughes or looking to go elsewhere

 

[bandwagonesque]

People should understand what the twins faced when they entered the league a quarter century ago, the game was different. And if people knew what happened with one of the twins later in their career. It's understandable that they - frankly - can't understand how insidious tendinitis is.

The more you play through that pain, the more damage to the tendons result. The opposite of what they faced. And of course they have a bit of a blind spot as well, and I will leave it at that, those who know what I am talking about know

I can respect the twins and what they have gone through, and also realize that the lessons they learned are the wrong ones for what is going on with Petey

I mean, I have no idea what's actually going on. But after the first reports of Miller and Pettersson feuding, whenever there's a reported conflict between Pettersson and anyone else we just create a story about that conflict that absolves him of any blame and paints the other party as having attacked him.

 

[Jerry the great]

Going full rebuild, means almost certainly having to trade Quinn Hughes and that probably decreases the value of the team by $200-300MM. The idea that the owners are going to look at literally every other option before that one should be unsurprising.

 

[MS]

We're not trading Quinn Hughes or rebuilding. Jesus f***ing Christ.

As for Pettersson ... yeah. I have no idea what to do. I'm not sure the team does either.

 

[JT Milker]

We're not trading Quinn Hughes or rebuilding. Jesus f***ing Christ.

As for Pettersson ... yeah. I have no idea what to do. I'm not sure the team does either.

Best bet is to try to get his head screwed back on right, because continuing to struggle vs trading him for lesser pieces probably have similar outcomes.

 

[ExarKun80]

As much as I've defended Skinny during the Miller saga I don't like the Sedins rumor. If you don't get along with the twins then you have a problem. If true, it's a huge red flag.

 

[sensodyne17]

All I see are Canucks fans saying we need to take a flier on a cheap young player with potential that has fallen out with their current team. That's exactly what Petey is. Trading him for pennies on the dollar isn't going to accomplish much.

I hate to say it but we are basically banking on him refinding his groove this offseason. But trading him is completely stupid.

Not trading Petey might be in the worst range of outcomes.

The sooner that people start accepting that Petey's 100 point year is an outlier and that's not the season that represents the type of player he is - the sooner people realize that trading him is the best outcome.

We are about to enter have our own Swedish Jonathan Huberdeau.

He still has trade value but getting rid of that contract will enable this team to do so many things. He's also a locker room cancer right now... not in your typical sense but he's a selfish, arrogant player that doesn't take accountability and is being paid as a top player to do cardio. Imagine the guys in the locker room... seeing your fellow colleague make $11.6M USD to skate around and play like a third line center. No wonder why JTM was done with him.

Petey is not a leader. He's not someone that puts in the work like a top player does. Management has called him out in various ways on his conditioning, work ethic, leadership/accountability, and being a face of the franchise.

Petey has not held his end of the bargain since the Canucks gave him the biggest contract in Canucks history. And things are not looking any better.

Also, let's stop pointing to his 100 point C like that was the baseline. That was a statistical outlier playing in a Bruce Boudreau run and gun system. Petey at his best is a point per game two way center. His game is also not well equipped for the playoffs as he's too soft and falls down every shift. He's easily out-muscled. Either way, he's not worth $11.6M... and you don't want Petey to be one of the leaders of your franchise. Lack of leadership, work ethic, communication, and accountability. He's someone that can excel in your locker room if you already have the leadership there - he can't be one of your faces of the franchise. The most optimal move is to ship him off. Another 7 years of this essentially guarantees a black mark in your capsheet that severely limits your ability to contend.

His time with the Canucks is almost all but over. I mean he was almost traded to Carolina couple weeks ago and has looked worse since that point in time. He's done with this organization, and it's the right move for everyone.

 

[VanillaCoke]

All the chicken littles worried about Hughes leaving are getting added to taj tweet posters, I cannot read such crybaby nonsense over and over for two more years.

 

[God]

Not having a relationship with the Sedins, who are probably the nicest pros a team will ever have, is insane.

Like, I get that JTM is a prickly individual prone to random outbursts. Fine. But how do you not get along with the Sedins?

 

[Lindgren]

Not having a relationship with the Sedins, who are probably the nicest pros a team will ever have, is insane.

Like, I get that JTM is a prickly individual prone to random outbursts. Fine. But how do you not get along with the Sedins?

If it's in your nature to take every question or suggestion as an outrageous personal attack, it's difficult to get along with anyone.

My prediction is that Pettersson will be traded, and he'll bounce back and play at an elite level for a season or so, but at some point he'll go a few games without a point, and a coach will suggest "hey, why don't you try this," and a reporter will ask "how are you feeling?" and that'll be it, and his production will plummet.

 

[sensodyne17]

Not having a relationship with the Sedins, who are probably the nicest pros a team will ever have, is insane.

Like, I get the JTM is a prickly individual prone to random outbursts. Fine. But how do you not get along with the Sedins?

It's crazy that Petey doesn't seem to have a good relationship with two Swedish legends and also the Swedish GM. You would think you can connect with your fellow countrymen the most.

Add that to the list of Petey defencies.

• Lack of accountability
• Lack of leadership
• Lack of maturity
• Lack of work ethic, conditioning
• Arrogant, selfish
• Makes $11.6M for another 7 years
• Mental yips
• Been at odds with everyone in the organization (management, coaches, players)

Trading him is the ONLY option. Is this somebody we want to embody the Canuck crest? Hell no. He can only excel where the leadership room is steady and the spotlight isn't too big. That won't be in Vancouver.

 

[MS]

If it's in your nature to take every question or suggestion as an outrageous personal attack, it's difficult to get along with anyone.

My prediction is that Pettersson will be traded, and he'll bounce back and play at an elite level for a season or so, but at some point he'll go a few games without a point, and a coach will suggest "hey, why don't you try this," and a reporter will ask "how are you feeling?" and that'll be it, and his production will plummet.

I've been saying this for pretty much the entirety of the last year.

At some point, the switch will flick and he'll go back to being an elite player. But that will likely only be for an indeterminate period before something happens to slightly upset his universe and he turns into a pumpkin again. It's been the pattern for basically his whole career.

 

[VanillaCoke]

It's crazy that Petey doesn't seem to have a good relationship with two Swedish legends and also the Swedish GM. You would think you can connect with your fellow countrymen the most.

Add that to the list of Petey defencies.

• Lack of accountability
• Lack of leadership
• Lack of maturity
• Lack of work ethic, conditioning
• Arrogant, selfish
• Makes $11.6M for another 7 years
• Mental yips
• Been at odds with everyone in the organization (management, coaches, players)

Trading him is the ONLY option. Is this somebody we want to embody the Canuck crest? Hell no. He can only excel where the leadership room is steady and the spotlight isn't too big. That won't be in Vancouver.

Not sure any of this is valid sry, he clearly has the worst tendinitis in nhl history which absolves him of any fault, apparently.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Not having a relationship with the Sedins, who are probably the nicest pros a team will ever have, is insane.

Like, I get that JTM is a prickly individual prone to random outbursts. Fine. But how do you not get along with the Sedins?

Especially when the Sedins went through such crap in their early careers. Faced ridicule from every corner. "They are too soft." "Too weak." "Can't lead a team." Shat on by many local media personalities. Openly disrespected by others in the league. They were called sisters, punched in the face and had to endure other tough shit on and off the ice. Bertuzzi's shit. Bourdons death.

Compared to Pettersson where he was practically given the golden gloves treatment for the first few years of his career.

 

[Jerry the great]

Has anyone actually confirmed what the fat donkey avatar dude said he/she heard on the radio this morning re Sedins and Pettersson not being BFFs?

WTF is @Vector with the summary?

 

[DFAC]

Petey complaining about the Vancouver media is laughable - our media is incredibly soft when it comes to asking the tough questions. What is there - like 2 guys on the road with the team?

A top 5 paid player being asked if a lack of confidence is why he's struggling? What a totally absurd question to ask...

Miller is a baby. Petey is a baby. Both need to be gone

 

[Peen]

Has anyone actually confirmed what the fat donkey avatar dude said he/she heard on the radio this morning re Sedins and Pettersson not being BFFs?

WTF is @Vector with the summary?

I listened back to the entire segment after I saw the post. It’s well represented.

Drance’s follow up interview in the next hour was pretty interesting too. Said he’s had Pettersson (& a lot of others) be really snappy like that and chosen not to run the quotes virtually every time to not damage the players image / the relationship.

Said imac specifically waited til the cameras were gone to ask that Q too.

 

[wonton15]

Rutherford is about to trade Petey then retire right before Hughes’ contract comes up. Par for the course.

 

[thecupismine]

The whole issue with Petey is they're basically stuck on banking on him rebounding.

It's really tough to envision a scenario where the forward group is good enough to contend in the next two years without him getting to that level given there are zero relevant centers in the system.

How they actually get him to stop being hot garbage is beyond me, as I thought this off-season would've fixed the second half problems we saw last year.

 

[Vector]

Has anyone actually confirmed what the fat donkey avatar dude said he/she heard on the radio this morning re Sedins and Pettersson not being BFFs?

WTF is @Vector with the summary?

Internet has been down at work and I’m also trying to solve a big problem here. Will listen and recap when I get a chance.

 

[Jerry the great]

I listened back to the entire segment after I saw the post. It’s well represented.

Drance’s follow up interview in the next hour was pretty interesting too. Said he’s had Pettersson (& a lot of others) be really snappy like that and chosen not to run the quotes virtually every time to not damage the players image / the relationship.

Said imac specifically waited til the cameras were gone to ask that Q too.

yeah i saw the drance segment on twitter, just not the segment which detailed his relationship with the Sedins.

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[sting101]

That’s not a rebuild. Rebuilding teams don’t have a top 3 defence group like the Canucks will within 2 years.

If played correctly:

XXX - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki
Hoglander - Chytil - XXX
Joshua - Frondell/Desnoyers - XXX
Sasson - Raty - XXX

Hughes - Willander
DPetey - Hronek
MPetey - Myers/Mancini

Demko
Lankinen
Silovs

Fill the rest of the roster with the assets we get via trades and the boatload of capspace.

ill replace your roster with the number of goals they have

0-11-2
4-12-0
3-0-0

honestly who cares to continue this is easily the worst team in the NHL

 

[God]

Especially when the Sedins went through such crap in their early careers. Faced ridicule from every corner. "They are too soft." "Too weak." "Can't lead a team." Shat on by many local media personalities. Openly disrespected by others in the league. They were called sisters, punched in the face and had to endure other tough shit on the and off the ice. Bertuzzi's shit. Bourdons death.

Compared to Pettersson where he was practically given the golden gloves treatment for the first few years of his career.

Yeah this Sedin stuff is legitimately the most disheartening news I've read about this team in a while. I sure hope it isn't true but I don't see a reason for Brough to lie about this.

 

[Fatass]

I mean, is your argument that the all-day Vancouver (which is pretty much Canucks-centric) sports radio is not part of the media?


No. This is proof that last year was a PDO-powered mirage. That is not what they are and they are not close to contending.

Hughes is going to leave and they don't believe in Petey. Might as well start the rebuild now and pray for Mckenna/Dupont.

Do you think Petey listens to 650? Petey’s media comment was about the reporters asking him questions, and certainly not about discussions on 650.
There’s no more defending this player.