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[krutovsdonut]

Hmmmn

Pettersson knee looks cooked and they committed 8yrs
Demko's knee is cooked and will probably request a trade
Miller gone
Boeser no contract and is probably close to walking
Hronek's shoulder is a mess and they committed 8yrs

Signing secondary players to NMC's and term...Debrusk Lankinen
Overpaying for 4th liners in hopes they will become more than they are....O'Connor Hoglander
Burning prime assets to stay competitive without being a contender

Setting up for a mushy middle situation where they bet the franchise on Pettersson and Hughes one of which is too weak and injury prone and will never get through multiple rounds of playoffs if he can ever even string together consistent regular seasons and the other probably walking to free agency to go play with his brothers in 2 yrs.

All of which being influenced by a crooner President and an owner that wants to be able to back up his price increases and squeak into the playoffs and cling to last year when everything went perfect for 3/4 of a season

That mess

you missed chytil having a thin skull.

that is absolutely the bad news and worst case downside risk.

the good news is they have done remarkably well with the mess so far.

they have stubbornly managed to squeeze quite a lot out of miller being gone.

 

[Hodgy]

I hate the idea of Boeser as an "own rental". With Tochett's low event hockey where basically a puck isn't needed on the ice most of the night, I honestly don't think Boeser is going to make a big impact, either way, on the Canucks post-trade deadline. And we are an asset strapped team, so we can't afford to squander whatever value he does have.

 

[sensodyne17]

i don't get the attraction of bennett. he's not big, he's not fast, he's not physical, he's not good defensively and he doesn't produce. he's a complimentary player. the canucks need quality not more quantity

Are we just going to openly lie?

Bennett had 173 hits in 69 games last year.

I guess he's not physical?

 

[LemonSauceD]

so my cap math says they can't sign boeser even with a 22 man roster. they have to trade him or move more salary to sign him.

canucks next year currently have

-$5.5m dead cap

-9 forwards signed with non-buriable salaries at $38.5m

-5 dman signed with non-buriable salaries at $26.8m

-2 goalies signed with non buriable salarues at $9.5m

so that is $80.3m committed for 16 non-buriable roster spots

to field a 23 man roster they will need 7 more skaters.

pencil in dpetey, lekkermaki and one other existing $900k buriable contract, and you get to $83m with 4 spots still to fill.

allocate $1m each to those remaining 4 slots and you get to $87m. the cap is 95.5m

so by my math can exceed $1m per player on those last 4 contracts by a total amount of $8.5m.

they still need a 3c. that's going to cost them roughly $3m so subtract $2m from the excess and they have $6.5m.

they also need a roster rhd. say $2-3m. now the remaining excess if $4.5m-$5.5m

so no boeser unless they cheap out on rhd or 3c.

i think from all this they are going to try and move one or more of boeser, demko, hoglander or soucy before the tdl, maybe for a rental. soucy to me is the most obvious one to go and gives them room to sign boeser or the rental.

they can't sign boeser until they clear the cap space or they will have a gun to their head in trades.

there’s a good chance all of Boeser, Suter, Hoglander, Soucy, Forbort, and possibly Demko are going to be moved on/let go. Pettersson im not entirely sure.

I’m not opposed in recouping a 2nd/3rd for Suter to a team needing a 3C and just ride with Raty for the rest of the year. Raty likely becomes our 3C next year and better to have him acclimate into that role right now.

If you can get assets for Suter/Boeser and package them for a top 6 player either now or in the off season I’d do it.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Boeser is playing in Vancouver or Minnesota next season so maybe dial back the expectations on his tdl return/rental value.

 

[moiderer]

I'd be more comfortable giving Boeser term if his engine ran hot consistently, unfortunately not the case. Watching Guentzel yesterday find a way towards chance after chance despite not being the faster skater - man, that's the guy you give the keys to.

Keeping Boeser as an own rental is insane when you can debate whether or not we have zero top 6 centres this season.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I hate the idea of Boeser as an "own rental". With Tochett's low event hockey where basically a puck isn't needed on the ice most of the night, I honestly don't think Boeser is going to make a big impact, either way, on the Canucks post-trade deadline. And we are an asset strapped team, so we can't afford to squander whatever value he does have.

I don't understand why they don't do what they did with Horvat with Boeser. Trade him and look to use the assets+ to get a long term fixture.

 

[Hodgy]

I don't understand why they don't do what they did with Horvat with Boeser. Trade him and look to use the assets+ to get a long term fixture.

That may be precisely their plan. If they are going to trade Boeser, its probably going to be on the deadline or a day or two or three before then, or whenever the flurry of deals comes.

 

[dbaz]

if soucy, hoglander, demko and boeser are gone
forbort re-signed. sassons, raty, willander in

it leaves 19ish mil for 2 top 6 and a back up.
d is once again somewhat questionable with pettersson, forbort and willander and how they progress/age

 

[krutovsdonut]

there’s a good chance all of Boeser, Suter, Hoglander, Soucy, Forbort, and possibly Demko are going to be moved on/let go. Pettersson im not entirely sure.

I’m not opposed in recouping a 2nd/3rd for Suter to a team needing a 3C and just ride with Raty for the rest of the year. Raty likely becomes our 3C next year and better to have him acclimate into that role right now.

If you can get assets for Suter/Boeser and package them for a top 6 player either now or in the off season I’d do it.

honestly, no there is not the slightest chance of that happening.

the team has been playing well and is in a playoff spot which they will try to hold onto even if they don't see themselves as contenders. it's more likely they keep everyone as their own rentals than "trade everyone".

suter to me only moves if his 3c replacement is found. raty would be playing every game if they thought he was ready for that roll.

i can see one of soucy or forbort going if they can find a rhd they want but not both. they are not riding with juulsen as their rhd #6 with nobody behind him. forbort's name being mentioned surprised me as he has been outplaying soucy. maybe they will move forbert to make room for pettersson and keep soucy on the right side but for that to be worth doing i would expect a bigger return for forbert than i foresee.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Pass on Suter. He'll cost too much and we can replace him with someone on the farm team.

Who?

None of Sasson, Aatu or Aman have the versatility that Suter does. Especially when moved up the line. There's obviously a limit to just how much of a raise we can offer him; ideally under 3M, but we don't have anyone stepping in to replace him right now.

If any one of those three prove otherwise. Great, we can move Suter then instead of simply gifting them a spot and hoping their play warrants it.

I get the impression wants a contract near what Guenzel got. Sorry, Brock, but you need to actually be consistent to demand anywhere close to 9M

 

[krutovsdonut]

Who?

None of Sasson, Aatu or Aman have the versatility that Suter does. Especially when moved up the line. There's obviously a limit to just how much of a raise we can offer him; ideally under 3M, but we don't have anyone stepping in to replace him right now.

If any one of those three prove otherwise. Great, we can move Suter then instead of simply gifting them a spot and hoping their play warrants it.

this

 

[DimitriL07]

Lank causing earthquakes out here

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I hate the idea of “own rentals” too. If we were a legitimate Cup contender? Sure. But we’re in a dogfight for a wildcard spot.

If you’re not going to keep Boeser, get some assets for him.

 

[TruGr1t]

Boeser is not even a good enough player this year to be considered an "own rental" in my opinion. Just trade the guy and bring someone up from the farm.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

The only proper way this year to trade Boeser would be to upgrade, not downgrade.

If anyone is wondering why these guys are so disillusioned or asking for more money etc it’s a breadcrumb trail away from the “cap doesn’t matter in a rebuild” argument from 7-8 years ago.

I don’t mean to rehash it, it was a stupid argument then and it still is now. But this Boeser situation leads right back to there.

 

[Bgav]

It's hard to see how they can turn this team into a true contender year in year out.

 

[JT Milker]

I don't understand why they don't do what they did with Horvat with Boeser. Trade him and look to use the assets+ to get a long term fixture.

They probably would if there was a fit they liked.

They are not going to punt the season while battling for a playoff spot.

 

[VanillaCoke]

It's hard to see how they can turn this team into a true contender year in year out.

O ye of little faith

 

[racerjoe]

I think Bennett would be a really good fir with the style of play Tocc likes us to play. Totally depends on the ask obviously, but since we are talking about it he makes a ton of sense.

I also think we move Soucy and Hogs to free cap space and have a bit more breathing room, no clue what we will do with Demko. I think Brock is gone and am not sure we trade him or not at the TDL.

Will be an interesting two weeks of speculation.

 

[ziploc]

If Brock goes out for Bennett, they had better hope Lekk can step in on EP’s wing.

DeBrusk Ep Lekk
Hoglander Bennett Garland
Joshua Chytil Sherwood
Blueger Suter DOC

Obviously assuming Hogs and Suter aren’t moved. It’s not great, though it’s pretty decent centre depth, if EP finds his game.

 

[Diablo2020]

Not saying "goat radio" is my goto source in fact i've never heard of them before today but cant help but chuckle at the smoke lately even after noted insider Cam Robinson set the record straight for us all.



Is there not a world where fans can see this being true though? Is there anyone in that room that you can say %100 is team Petey at this point other than likely Hoggy?

 

[December5th]

lol i cant see hughes ever saying that even if he secretly wanted it. these two are suppose to be friends

 

[wonton15]

Keeping Brock as a self rental is the stupidest thing we can do and would be a major failure. Either trade him for a 1st or somehow sign him to a favourable deal.

 

[bossram]

Who?

None of Sasson, Aatu or Aman have the versatility that Suter does. Especially when moved up the line. There's obviously a limit to just how much of a raise we can offer him; ideally under 3M, but we don't have anyone stepping in to replace him right now.

If any one of those three prove otherwise. Great, we can move Suter then instead of simply gifting them a spot and hoping their play warrants it.

Suter has delivered elite defensive play + PK utility, middle-six production, and positional/role versatility that few players have. None of the aforementioned prospect can deliver that.

Especially considering the Canucks don't have a "true" 2C, fans thinking Suter is expendable are extremely misguided.

Keeping Brock as a self rental is the stupidest thing we can do and would be a major failure. Either trade him for a 1st or somehow sign him to a favourable deal.

Extremely shortsighted, but very unsurprising from an org that can't look farther than a few months ahead at a time.

O ye of little faith

or just realistic assessments of the team