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[Vector]

Ive got a Crosby trade on my bingo card

I honestly thought one was coming earlier this year. Thought he’d be going after the Rantanen trade went down.

I could 100% see him going to Colorado.

I really don’t want to see that happening. There’s something very quaint about such a throwback player carrying Lemieux’s torch to the very end.

 

[Dissonance Jr]

Because there are no actual rumors to be had, I’m just going to toss out that Josh Gorges apparently played with a torn ACL for 8 years and then run for the hills:

Montreal's Josh Gorges played on a torn ACL for eight years

Looking for another reason why hockey players are tougher than normal people? Read on to hear about how long Josh Gorges' knee has been injured.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Bobby9]

Would you do:

EP
Hughes

For

Jones
Bédard

 

[Nucker101]

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Okay cool, but how about the fact that delaying the surgery for months basically ruined his off-season of training and made him useless the following season


Also speaking of current Hawks, how about Jason Dickinson?

 

[Hodgy]

Okay cool, but how about the fact that delaying the surgery for months basically ruined his off-season of training and made him useless the following season


Also speaking of current Hawks, how about Jason Dickinson?

I mean, who knows what happened with Dickinson. Like, if he never complained to anyone about any pain with his hand, or any issues, then its not like its the medical staff's fault. Perhaps he did though, in which case, sure, looks like a f*** up.

 

[Jerry the great]

Okay cool, but how about the fact that delaying the surgery for months basically ruined his off-season of training and made him useless the following season


Also speaking of current Hawks, how about Jason Dickinson?

I would guess that Mikheyev and his camp - after getting a third opinion - figured he'd be in comparable shape/readiness by training camp that he was in when they decided to shut it down and get the surgery. Edge data mostly confirms this:

pre injury in 21/22:

injury year:

post surgery/rehab year

current year (maybe not 100% back but pretty close IMO)

re Dickinson, if the player didn't know his hand was broken, what was he telling the medical/training staff? Do people actually believe the team would not get imaging done if they - with feedback from the player - thought it was necessary?

 

[rypper]

Would you do:

EP
Hughes

For

Jones
Bédard

The (s)hits keep coming! Bravo!





Frank Seravalli sucks and shouldn't be trusted for his opinions, just for breaking rumors/trades/signings etc.

Listening to him flounder on air when he couldn't back up why he hated the Marcus Pettersson trade and subsequent signing so much was "Scott's tots" cringe worthy.

 

[Diablo2020]

Thinking back to a old trade tonight and looking at Carolina today to see Hall and Rantanen have a combined 3 points in 6 games..

Anyone remember the Erik Johnson - Kevin Shattenkirk trade?

Johnson, McClement, 1st
For
Shattenkirk, Stewart, 2nd

Would something around Svechnikov and Pettersson intrest either team?


Pettersson, Hoglander, 1st
For
Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, 2nd

Its a 200k salary cap difference today.

Maybe swap the picks around I dunno. But in the other example EJ was one year older than Shattenkirk exactly like Petey is one year older than Svech so its lines up. But then Nils is like 10 yrs younger than McClement was so I dunno.

 

[Qwijibo]

I wonder if MTL would ever entertain a Suzuki for EP trade?

No. Why would they?

 

[Wisp]

Friend your comparing us to an entirely different franchise, 4 years after a trade they made that has nothing to do with us.

"Buffalo did it and they still suck" doesnt mean diddly to me because my favorite teams managrment isnt Kim Pegula and friends.

Weird that you're so naively confident that you think an Aquilini-run show isn't capable of hitting the same pitfalls as a Pegula-run show.

Reminds me of the "what if we become the Oilers!" rhetoric Benning defenders used to us justify Benning's mismanagement, blind to the reality we had in fact become as terribly run as that 2007-onward misrun Oilers club. We still haven't cleared ourselves from that mess, one playoff appearance doesn't wipe the slate clean. You should be scared of being the Buffalo Sabres and you should also be scared they continue to be the Vancouver Canucks of yore.

 

[Diablo2020]

Weird that you're so naively confident that you think an Aquilini-run show isn't capable of hitting the same pitfalls as a Pegula-run show.

Reminds me of the "what if we become the Oilers!" rhetoric Benning defenders used to us justify Benning's mismanagement, blind to the reality we had in fact become as terribly run as that 2007-onward misrun Oilers club. We still haven't cleared ourselves from that mess, one playoff appearance doesn't wipe the slate clean.

Uhh this is me, posted within the last 24 hrs.

On one hand - Frankie spent 8 years holding Benning's while he did stupid things. Yes thats on Frankie.

Benning came in day one and made playoffs and we've spoken for years how that one season masked so many flaws in the orginization that it basically gave Benning power to run the team like he did going forward.

Frankie has left us alone but the fans expectations and ignorance of where we are as a franchise is the real disaster now.

Teams a disaster because again like with Benning we're backing into a rebuild while thinking we're pushing forward for a cup.

Lets play devils advocate and say Frankie ok'd a rebuild day one January 2022 for Allvin.

Whats the best case scenario?

Managment didnt have a lack of foresight we just Willie D'd ourselves into a false sense of 48 win security AGAIN and thought we were a contender.

We HAD to sign Miller. For the optics.

And in those posts I mentioned how we're now YEARS into the new management and just like Benning we're rebuilding by default anyways.

Falling arse backwards into a forced rebuild on the fly, while in the dark. If only Frankie ok'd the original one or the second one or the third one or the..

Hughes now complicates it though, In a good way.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Yeah I've had so very many injuries, crazy ones too, and way to many surgeries. Luckily I haven't done the ACL/MCL but I know several guys who've played through it ... and while you can mostly it's beer league meatballs that do it because they're strong willed competitors, or impatient as surgery wait times are too long. Ultimately it needs to be fixed though to return to your highest athletic level.

The ones that involved serious competition and where you make a controversial decision is almost always weighed vs the tangible benefit of playing for something significant. This case was extremely odd for a professional player to play a significant portion of a blown season and then miss the start of the following year as a result. I can't recall a situation (incompetence) quite like that ever happening before.

I can't think of specific examples, and don't currently have time to do the legwork, but I think over the last 20 or more years there are certain sprains, strains, contusions, etc to the ACL/MCL that require immediate surgery. And there are some where the player will be inhibited by a large percentage, but if he can tolerate the pain he can play on it until or unless he decides to get surgery.

I really wasn't shocked by the treatment of Mikheyev. The only thing I thought was stupid was that they didn't get it a month or two earlier to make sure he started the following year on time.

But him missing an extra month or two of the season, when there would be no further damage, so that he could be healthy in June versus healthy in late July didn't really make much sense to me.

How about another 7 years of retention? Or adding Willander and Lekkerimaki and a high pick? His value is that low to knowledgeable fans. That albatross contract really depresses his value.

That said I do think he can resurrect his game in another team but he is certainly not improving his resume

You have this incredible ability to propose franchise destroying 'solutions' in like 75% of your posts for the team that you cheer for.

 

[mriswith]

People are so dug in on the EP thing that now they're actually defending Mikheyev's treatment?

Letting him ruin two seasons instead of one was medical malpractice regardless of whether you think it's perfectly fine to play a season on a partially torn ACL. And you don't have to be a doctor to point out the obvious.

 

[LemonSauceD]

People are so dug in on the EP thing that now they're actually defending Mikheyev's treatment?

Letting him ruin two seasons instead of one was medical malpractice regardless of whether you think it's perfectly fine to play a season on a partially torn ACL. And you don't have to be a doctor to point out the obvious.

That is not malpractice.

 

[Peen]

Demko for equivalent injury prone forward with risk.

1st, prospect, roster player for star forward.

Pettersson’s knee and confidence drastically improve and he goes back to being a 120 point pace guy.

Cup.

 

[Diablo2020]

Demko for equivalent injury prone forward with risk.

1st, prospect, roster player for star forward.

Pettersson’s knee and confidence drastically improve and he goes back to being a 120 point pace guy.

Cup.

The only equivalent player to Demko's status lately is Tucker Poolman but at least Tucker knew when to stop giving it another go.

Thatcher Demko for Tristan Jarry retained %50

Pittsburgh gets a reclamation project they can sit behind Ned and Gus for now while he heals. They can probably flip him in offseason before he even plays a game for them if he will actually be healthy to start next season.

Canucks get a backup for Lankinen signed for 3 years at 2,687,500. Sure he's banished to minors today but he's healthy and retained to a managable amount. He sucks but probably not as much as our chances tomorrow with Silovs and just maybe with a fresh start and a peanuts salary he rebounds.

Canucks immedietly save 2.3 million.

Pens get an asset likely worth more than Jarry and save the difference of %25 they'd need to buyout.

 

[alternate]

What I expect? hope? pray? will happen is Petey continues his strong defensive play, and continues to improve offensively through the rest of this season and (hopefully) into the playoffs.

Then he learns from this season/last offseason, uses it as motivation, and has the best offseason of his life.

Next fall, goes from Bambi Legs to Hank Sedin, and GMs around the league regret their decisions.

 

[David71]

I am extremely curious to see what develops around the league from Friday onwards.

big trades all around left right out of nowhere. some guys you never thought would be traded would be dealt.

 

[David71]

After the 3 p.m. deadline, players will still be able to be moved in trades, but any player dealt after the deadline will not be available to play for their new team until the following season. should this be changed? i still see moves in previous years teams getting players but they dont get to play in the playoffs which is BS

 

[Kryten]

 

[Wisp]

You're not trading Demko. You're basically rinse repeat until his contract is done. He'll return from injury, you play him again. If he gets a good run of health, yay! If he doesn't, well... Lankinen needs a new contract, no matter what.

 

[Soups On]

Trading Pettersson right now would be stupid - what is with you buy high sell low type of people? This team wants to re-sign Hughes and make a push for the cup soon. They're not doing that by getting spare parts for Petey. Other teams are circling like sharks to get Petey on the cheap. He has patellar tendonitis, not a reconstructed ACL/MCL - he'll bounce back and other teams know this. These GMs man - so stupid trying to "steal" Pettersson. Again - it's the dumb shit the Rags pulled a couple years ago. They didn't wanna trade Braden Schneider of all players for a JT Miller at $5 million for some god awful reason - they either win the cup or make deeper runs with JT on the cheap then.

And no - I wouldn't trade Petey for Nick Suzuki what is wrong with you. Suzuki is a great player but Petey has shown the ability to be a top 5 C in the league - you don't just give that up, ESPECIALLY after trading Miller and the context around the team right now.

Go back to discussing ways to get top 6 forwards that may need a change of scenery, are underperforming for whatever reason, or are on teams with clueless GMs - Maccelli, Tippett, and Novak all come to mind.

 

[Fatass]

Would you do:

EP
Hughes

For

Jones
Bédard

No.
Would you do EP + Hughes + Hogs
For
Dahlin + Tuch + Cozens?

 

[Bobby9]

No.
Would you do EP + Hughes + Hogs
For
Dahlin + Tuch + Cozens?

Yes

Trading Pettersson right now would be stupid - what is with you buy high sell low type of people? This team wants to re-sign Hughes and make a push for the cup soon. They're not doing that by getting spare parts for Petey. Other teams are circling like sharks to get Petey on the cheap. He has patellar tendonitis, not a reconstructed ACL/MCL - he'll bounce back and other teams know this. These GMs man - so stupid trying to "steal" Pettersson. Again - it's the dumb shit the Rags pulled a couple years ago. They didn't wanna trade Braden Schneider of all players for a JT Miller at $5 million for some god awful reason - they either win the cup or make deeper runs with JT on the cheap then.

And no - I wouldn't trade Petey for Nick Suzuki what is wrong with you. Suzuki is a great player but Petey has shown the ability to be a top 5 C in the league - you don't just give that up, ESPECIALLY after trading Miller and the context around the team right now.

Go back to discussing ways to get top 6 forwards that may need a change of scenery, are underperforming for whatever reason, or are on teams with clueless GMs - Maccelli, Tippett, and Novak all come to mind.

We arent buy high sell low.

We're "we seen red flags when the stock was high and wanted to sell high" people

 

[JT Milker]

I subscribe to the argument that there’s no point in trading EP because you’re boned if you trade him and you’re boned if he doesn’t bounce back. The only way we can compete is for him to bounce back, and that only happens if we don’t trade him.

No.
Would you do EP + Hughes + Hogs
For
Dahlin + Tuch + Cozens?

I wouldn’t trade Hughes for anyone outside of McDouchebag.