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CanuckPirate said:
Would people actually be happy with Cozens instead of Petey? Cozens has less points than Pete on a team that scores more. Trading Pete for Cozens just seems like people want to trade him because they're mad at him.
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I would if it means the contract is no longer on the books for 7 more years.

We lose a skinny 2 way PPG LC getting paid 145K per pt (@80x7) roughly 26-33 if he stays healthy who needs ideal conditions and is fragile both physically and mentally and weak on faceoffs

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for a bigger stronger 2 way 60-70pt RC 110k per pt (@65x5) getting paid 24-29 player who has more playoff upside and is younger without the fragility and emotional concerns.

I think it's easier to find a PPG scorer C than the type of player i believe Cozens will become in his prime plus i'm not sure that the situation here becomes tenable for Pettersson given how poorly he's dealt with it to date.

In a perfect world you could get Cozens for a collection of pieces and keep Pettersson but we all know that's not happening.

I would seriously deal Hronek to get Cozens. It would hurt for certain short term but Pettersson Cozens would be a H.Sedin Kesler type remake and with Hughes and Willander's potential (if they believe in him) we should be able to find enough support pieces on D to replace Hronek.
 
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sting101 said:
I would if it means the contract is no longer on the books for 7 more years.

We lose a skinny 2 way PPG LC getting paid 145K per pt (@80x7) roughly 26-33 if he stays healthy who needs ideal conditions and is fragile both physically and mentally and weak on faceoffs

for

for a bigger stronger 2 way 60-70pt RC 110k per pt (@65x5) getting paid 24-29 player who has more playoff upside and is younger without the fragility and emotional concerns.

I think it's easier to find a PPG scorer C than the type of player i believe Cozens will become in his prime plus i'm not sure that the situation here becomes tenable for Pettersson given how poorly he's dealt with it to date.

In a perfect world you could get Cozens for a collection of pieces and keep Pettersson but we all know that's not happening.

I would seriously deal Hronek to get Cozens. It would hurt for certain short term but Pettersson Cozens would be a H.Sedin Kesler type remake and with Hughes and Willander's potential (if they believe in him) we should be able to find enough support pieces on D to replace Hronek.
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The Problem with this is that Cozens is nothing like Kesler. Kesler rose to glory by winning extremely hard minutes, excelling as a stifling matchup centre and eventually playing his way into an offensive role. Cozens got paid because he shot the lights out for a season and was willing to forego palm trees and low taxes. They aren't remotely comparable players IMO.
 
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Baby Pettersson said:
Why do we want Cozens so bad for Pete? Dude has less points than Pete. No thanks.

I'm not opposed to acquiring him as a 2C however but we probably don't have the assets to get it done.
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Because he is younger? Because he doesn't cost 11.6 million? Because he gets those points 5 on 5? Because 5 of his goals haven't come because he wasn't just hit in the ass deflecting them in? Because he has more primary assists. Because he plays the #2 center spot and gets just about as many points as teh #1 center spot on the Canucks with a lot less PP time?

They need internal leadership, Garland might supply that.
But after that unless it is trading away 1rst rnd picks to sink the future for sure I got nothing. Maybe Willander? But they are flush with young defencemen.

I got a real laugh when I read the Canucks are 5th youngest team in the league and they posted 5 AHL players on the list. The roster regulars have exactly TWO players under 26 yrs old playing. The rest are over, 27 up to 33 yrs old.

Other sites show the Canucks dead in the middle, just like their standings.
 
Unless Colorado thinks they see some hope in Lindgren that is one bad bad trade for the Aves. And they gave up a 2nd and 4th!! I must be missing something there, seems like a Benning trade...
 
A big reason why the Canucks bought out OEL when they did was because they wanted to turn the page on the roster and get rid of the country club atmosphere and turn over leadership to the kids instead.

The new management were very sensitive to the risk that the veterans who had cashed-in then checked-out were setting a bad impression for the kids. That buyout was about money—but it was also about culture.

Unfortunately it seems like they were too late. The precedents set by folks like Eriksson and OEL were already engrained as an acceptable practice for EP40.

I really don’t think management has any patience (beyond maximizing trade value—whatever is left…) for players who decide when to turn it on or off. It’s why Miller was shipped so quickly, and it’s why they’ll move EP40 too. He’s already been categorized as such.
 
Jerry the great said:
The Problem with this is that Cozens is nothing like Kesler. Kesler rose to glory by winning extremely hard minutes, excelling as a stifling matchup centre and eventually playing his way into an offensive role. Cozens got paid because he shot the lights out for a season and was willing to forego palm trees and low taxes. They aren't remotely comparable players IMO.
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i think in a couple years you will have a different opinion on Cozens. I see him quite easily as one of the better 2Cs in the NHL by his prime years
 
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I have zero idea what Colorado is trying to accomplish other than getting some useful depth for useless players. But 2nd 4th seems ridiculous given they still need a bigger fish
 
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sting101 said:
i think in a couple years you will have a different opinion on Cozens. I see him quite easily as one of the better 2Cs in the NHL by his prime years
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Agreed...Kesler was just coming into his own as a 24-year-old, Cozens just turned 24 and still has a LOT of room for growth...he has the size, speed, shot and aggression to be a similar type of center. If we are going to trade EP, he's the type of center I'd like build a deal around.
 
sting101 said:
I have zero idea what Colorado is trying to accomplish other than getting some useful depth for useless players. But 2nd 4th seems ridiculous given they still need a bigger fish
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I'm assuming it's combination of someone in the front office/coaching staff love Lindgren that see him as a perfect playoff guy and Avalanche just want to get a deal done now instead of making this go down to the wire and not getting him.
 
M2Beezy said:
Unless Colorado thinks they see some hope in Lindgren that is one bad bad trade for the Aves. And they gave up a 2nd and 4th!! I must be missing something there, seems like a Benning trade...
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Damn if that is the market right now. Van needs to sell off much more than their UFA's.



SELL SELL SELL
 
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I feel like no matter what the Canucks do we need to acquire a needle mover. We have great depth but currently we don't have a single forward capable of taking a game over. Miller was that guy but now we have a gaping hole.

Realistically what would Cozens cost without trading Pete?
 
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sting101 said:
i think in a couple years you will have a different opinion on Cozens. I see him quite easily as one of the better 2Cs in the NHL by his prime years
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Agree, he's so good and still so young there's definitely more there.
Big, strong, not slow, hustles, can shoot, hits, get him out of Buffalo and I'm sure he could do the cgy lindholm borderline 1C balance for a few years atleast.

I don't think most (all) of the cozens critics ever watch him, the sabres (understandable), or the WC.

#cozenstruther
 
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StickShift said:
A big reason why the Canucks bought out OEL when they did was because they wanted to turn the page on the roster and get rid of the country club atmosphere and turn over leadership to the kids instead.

The new management were very sensitive to the risk that the veterans who had cashed-in then checked-out were setting a bad impression for the kids. That buyout was about money—but it was also about culture.

Unfortunately it seems like they were too late. The precedents set by folks like Eriksson and OEL were already engrained as an acceptable practice for EP40.

I really don’t think management has any patience (beyond maximizing trade value—whatever is left…) for players who decide when to turn it on or off. It’s why Miller was shipped so quickly, and it’s why they’ll move EP40 too. He’s already been categorized as such.
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WHAT are you smoking ?

This post is full of nonsensical conjecture. Zero facts or sense used here.
 
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