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at the draft:

boeser for bennett, petey for zegras and picks (guessing everyone hates that one), move demko for a winger/rd or picks, soucy for a pick. sign vejmelka and ehlers

joshua - bennett - garland
debrusk - zegras - ehlers
hog - chytil - sherwood
doc - blueger - karlsson

hughes - hronek
m. pettersson - myers
e. pettersson - xxx
forbort

lankinen
vejmelka

it kinda feels like an expansion team up front, but the defense should be good and that's a strong duo in net? it's going to be real hard to get an offensive top-6 center... and we might need two.
 
I do not see why you’d even try to make the playoffs with this rag-tag line-up, you would get destroyed in the first round.

Should be tanking rest of this season even if you’re trying to retool, collecting assets and cap space, and then try to do things in the summer when it’s a lot easier to make trades etc.
 
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sensodyne17 said:
100% disagree.

2nd/3rd rounders get passed around like candy at the deadline.

Suter should easily get a 2nd round pick back, if not more. He's a versatile middle six forward that can play up and down the lineup. He can play any position, PKs and is defensively responsible. He's on pace for 20+ goals and around 40 points and having a great year. How would he not get a late 2nd round pick?

Last year:
Wennberg got a 2nd and a 4th
Stecher got a 4th
Duhaime got a 3rd
Trenin got a 3rd
Duclair got a 3rd and a prospect
A washed up Kuznetsov got a 3rd
Edmundson got a 3rd and a 5th (a Soucy comparable)

The trade packages that Sekeres posted are very in-line with trade packages before for similar calibre players. It's not rose-coloured glasses at all - it's market value. It's a sellers market this year btw.
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Yeah, we got a 4th for Motte a few years ago. Suter's cap hit isn't much higher than what Motte's was, and he's easily a better player.

Edmundson is an okay comparable calibre-wise for Soucy but he was retained down to $1.3M when he was traded at the deadline as a rental and only had a 10-team NTC as opposed to Soucy's full NTC.

4th or 5th sounds right for Forbort.
 
Honestly at this point do we entertain throwing Tavares a 2 year contract until more quality players come on to the market? Dudes still a PPG player.

We need something up front. Marner and Rant are not coming here.

Bennett at 6x6 and Tavares at 2x5M? I don’t want either but with money burning a hole in the front office pocket something has to happen

Jake EP Tavares
Bennet Chytil Sherwood
Dak Suter Garland
 
vancityluongo said:
at the draft:

boeser for bennett, petey for zegras and picks (guessing everyone hates that one), move demko for a winger/rd or picks, soucy for a pick. sign vejmelka and ehlers

joshua - bennett - garland
debrusk - zegras - ehlers
hog - chytil - sherwood
doc - blueger - karlsson

hughes - hronek
m. pettersson - myers
e. pettersson - xxx
forbort

lankinen
vejmelka

it kinda feels like an expansion team up front, but the defense should be good and that's a strong duo in net? it's going to be real hard to get an offensive top-6 center... and we might need two.
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I agree with a lot of your posts but this is absolutely putrid. Like I got diarrhea just glancing at and I didn't even know that was biologically possible. I think there could be a trade for Byfield, which I'd be on board with. But Zegras...jesus f***ing Christ.
 
Bobby9 said:
Honestly at this point do we entertain throwing Tavares a 2 year contract until more quality players come on to the market? Dudes still a PPG player.

We need something up front. Marner and Rant are not coming here.

Bennett at 6x6 and Tavares at 2x5M? I don’t want either but with money burning a hole in the front office pocket something has to happen

Jake EP Tavares
Bennet Chytil Sherwood
Dak Suter Garland
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We don't need to get slower. Might as well rebuild if that's what a final product for this core looks like
 
ManVanFan said:
Management has failed to bring in enough top 6 talent.
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I'll give them a bit of time. They've finally sorted out the defense, we look okayish in net. I can't fault them too much for some pretty shit Canuck luck (Demko's injury issues, Miller wearing out his welcome and now whatever the f*** is going on with Petterson). I feel like we say this every year but once again this offseason will be critical.
 
Sadly, and depressingly, I'm getting closer to Farhan Lalji's opinion with each passing game. A buyout of EP40's contract, is more likely than a trade.

And unfortunately a buy-out, would cripple the franchise for years. It would make the OEL buyout seem like chump change.
 
Bgav said:
We don't need to get slower. Might as well rebuild if that's what a final product for this core look
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Yes. You are correct. We should rebuild. I am hoping the lack of players available make them commit to shorter term deals and Tavares could be a stop gap.
 
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VanJack said:
Sadly, and depressingly, I'm getting closer to Farhan Lalji's opinion with each passing game. A buyout of EP40's contract, is more likely than a trade.

And unfortunately a buy-out, would cripple the franchise for years. It would make the OEL buyout seem like chump change.
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LTIR is the only thing that can save us.
 
Diamonddog01 said:
I'll give them a bit of time. They've finally sorted out the defense, we look okayish in net. I can't fault them too much for some pretty shit Canuck luck (Demko's injury issues, Miller wearing out his welcome and now whatever the f*** is going on with Petterson). I feel like we say this every year but once again this offseason will be critical.
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I will give them time also but I think they need to look at all avenues and not rush for no reason.
 
VanJack said:
Sadly, and depressingly, I'm getting closer to Farhan Lalji's opinion with each passing game. A buyout of EP40's contract, is more likely than a trade.

And unfortunately a buy-out, would cripple the franchise for years. It would make the OEL buyout seem like chump change.
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I think they’ll trade him this deadline before they get to the off-season. They are too scared that he will be untradable by then.

The only saving grace is how many teams have historically struggled to find a 1C center—to they point that they might delude themselves into believing that Pettersson could be that for them.

But I suspect even they are getting wise to what’s going on. The market is barely there for him so why should they offer anything of substance beyond the necessary salary swap?
 
StickShift said:
I think they’ll trade him this deadline before they get to the off-season. They are too scared that he will be untradable by then.

The only saving grace is how many teams have historically struggled to find a 1C center—to they point that they might delude themselves into believing that Pettersson could be that for them.

But I suspect even they are getting wise to what’s going on. The market is barely there for him so why should they offer anything of substance beyond the necessary salary swap?
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Nobody is gonna take a 90,000,000 dollar gamble on him. Allvin should be fired
 
Diamonddog01 said:
I agree with a lot of your posts but this is absolutely putrid. Like I got diarrhea just glancing at and I didn't even know that was biologically possible. I think there could be a trade for Byfield, which I'd be on board with. But Zegras...jesus f***ing Christ.
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ha

don't disagree. but if pettersson is being traded before his nmc and 11.6m contract kicks in, that's probably what we're getting back. i'd much rather have byfield too, but there's no chance imo a player of that calibre is available as a return.

the merits of zegras would be that he's 23, has been in the nhl a while and is a legitimate top-6 offensive player, and hewould probably benefit from a change of scenery and to get away from a team with terrible habits where he was the first one in (think taylor hall). the cons are, well, tocchet would probably f***ing hate him, and as the return for a franchise level player, it's not like he'd be out of the spotlight here. he's also a player who likely struggles with the spotlight - and that was in anaheim.

but he's a quinn hughes ish aged american that can play right now. if we're trading petey - and i'm not convinced that's the right path - i think we need to wrap our heads around that being the type of return. the straight up for brady talks from two months ago are gone imo
 
Bobby9 said:
Nobody is gonna take a 90,000,000 dollar gamble on him. Allvin should be fired
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I definitely think there are GMs willing to take that gamble—it’s buying low on players like that which let you hit homes runs.

But that doesn’t mean they are going to hand over a fortune for him. It means they are gonna bend the Canucks over as much as they can.

He’s definitely tradable—but the Canucks have zero leverage in any trade talks.
 
So is there anyone left who doesn't want to trade Pettersson? Im firmly on the trade Pettersson bandwagon now before we are stuck with the biggest dead weight contract in the history of the game. Crazy thing is I think we can still get a really nice package for him but for the love of god he has to be traded before his new contract kicks in

So sad to type that. I loved the hype around him the year before he came over and we were watching him kill the SHL
 
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M2Beezy said:
So is there anyone left who doesn't want to trade Pettersson? Im firmly on the trade Pettersson bandwagon now before we are stuck with the biggest dead weight contract in the history of the game. Crazy thing is I think we can still get a really nice package for him but for the love of god he has to be traded before his new contract kicks in

So sad to type that. I loved the hype around him the year before he came over and we were watching him kill the SHL
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His new contract has already kicked in—but the NMC element of his contract cannot be effective until he reaches what would've been his UFA-eligible season.

It's the same situation that Montreal faced when they trade PK Subban after he signed his new contract, but before his NMC began.
 
M2Beezy said:
So is there anyone left who doesn't want to trade Pettersson? Im firmly on the trade Pettersson bandwagon now before we are stuck with the biggest dead weight contract in the history of the game. Crazy thing is I think we can still get a really nice package for him but for the love of god he has to be traded before his new contract kicks in

So sad to type that. I loved the hype around him the year before he came over and we were watching him kill the SHL
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I'm still on the keep Pete and try and fix him. Either way we are screwed but I think the risk/reward is greater for him to bounce back rather than simply dumping his contract.

I don't see a world where we trade Pete and Hughes doesn't walk in two years.
 
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M2Beezy said:
So is there anyone left who doesn't want to trade Pettersson? Im firmly on the trade Pettersson bandwagon now before we are stuck with the biggest dead weight contract in the history of the game. Crazy thing is I think we can still get a really nice package for him but for the love of god he has to be traded before his new contract kicks in

So sad to type that. I loved the hype around him the year before he came over and we were watching him kill the SHL
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I don't want to trade Pettersson. I feel that he will bounce back. I think the over reaction right now is insane...but I can appreciate the idea to trade him for assets to initiate a "quicker" rebuild but that would also mean doing it without QH. Trading EP now with the idea of still "competing" is mushy middle purgatory. I personally don't want any part of that.
 
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