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[dbaz]

Technically avs sold rantanen too.

 

[Vector]

They did the same thing the next year selling Statsny when they were in eighth. Recall a bunch of people thinking they were losers but then they won the Cup the next year.

The Canucks aren’t really in the same position because of Hughes but they wouldn’t be the first.

Kind of just seeming like a Doug Armstrong thing. The Blues weren't in a playoff position, although very close, at the 17-18 TDL.

 

[Vector]

Technically avs sold rantanen too.

For a two players under contract for next season.

 

[racerjoe]

For a two players under contract for next season.

I think this is the key. No one is saying Boeser can't be traded, just that for the end package its not going to be for futures. If they trade him it will be a hockey deal, or a two part trade becoming a hockey deal. That is what some posters need to understand.

 

[ManVanFan]

Going into the deadline the Capitals were 5 points out of a playoff spot with the Islanders 3 points ahead of them. Like you said, the Red Wings weren't in a playoff position when they traded Hronek. If the Canucks fall out of a playoff spot over the next few games then the equation changes but until that happens, they are a playoff team and it is very rare for teams in a playoff spot to sell off upcoming UFAs for future returns.

It is rare but it does happen even though some wouldn't see it that way. If you take example Washington. A team in their window that wanted.... needed cap space and assets to make other moves. That's what they did. I'd just like Van to put themselves into a position to not waste another asset. I don't really care about the revenue of getting swept in the first round though. Haha.

I think this is the key. No one is saying Boeser can't be traded, just that for the end package its not going to be for futures. If they trade him it will be a hockey deal, or a two part trade becoming a hockey deal. That is what some posters need to understand.

Maybe for another defencemen. Can never have enough defencemen when you score the lowest amount of goals per game in the league over the past 20 games.

All it does is diminish the upside of the return. You get a mid round pick and a middle 6 player they don't need anymore of.

 

[Diablo2020]

I was imprssed by Josh Doan the other day and even though Matias Macceli is the obvious choice to move out I cant help but think Doan is still buried a bit.

I know we need centers but if we address that elsewhere would anyone entertain a Tanner Jeannot type package to pry Doan away?

A bevy of picks basically a whole draft class for a 23 yr old RH powerforward in the making?

 

[racerjoe]

Maybe for another defencemen. Can never have enough defencemen when you score the lowest amount of goals per game in the league over the past 20 games.

All it does is diminish the upside of the return. You get a mid round pick and a middle 6 player they don't need anymore of.

You are just wrong in a lot of this though.

First if we get the equivalent of a 1st, and a top prospect. First lets look at the prospect, normally for a UFA you are not getting a blue chip guy and at best an Raty who is what at best a 3rd liner and not contributing until is 3/4th year? and if that first is at best a Lekkermakki (a really good pick) he is also not helping until his 3rd season from his draft.

So you get nothing to help you while Hughes is under contract.

Second, making the playoffs is still valuable, even if it is a sweep. As a business it help you with your next year budget, and that isn't anything to do with the cap, but other things you maybe able to spend your money, like sleep doctors, coaches, or whatever else a multi-billion dollar franchise spends on.

Now if we are not signing Boeser I am pro training him, I just also see us targeting pieces that our about winning closer to now. Like trying to pry Sillinger out of CBJ or something in that vein.

 

[Nick Lang]

Pettersson is going to be forced to do the grouse grind with the Sedins this offseason and blow both of his knees.

Brough is just throwing fuel to the fire regarding Pettersson because he’s run through every other theory and they need to fill air time. Last week it’s the yips, now the relationship with the Sedins.

I’d keep Pettersson, ‘retool’ him in the offseason with a babysitter/trainer/psychologist.

How people can't see through this fluff garbage is mind boggling. If you don't listen to these radio podcasts and just come here like I do you can see the lemmings just foaming at the mouth and following these maroons off the cliff.

They do need a serious plan for this summer so I hope Petey is 100% committed to it and would consider staying in Van for a good portion. Otherwise:

it's not weird at all that a 20-something year old doesn't have personal relationships with a pair of 44 year old dads just because they're from the same country.

like, are you friends with all your older co-workers? i didn't when i was in my mid-20s. they had families, i couldn't relate to them at all. i had my own life.

Wow, the mental gymnastics people go through to invent imaginary problems. Negative bias and attempting to support self made narratives is so obvious with these folks.

Yeah, because there are casual after-work functions that you go to. You actually just stopped interacting with your older colleagues straight up outside of work? To me, that's a bit strange.

Horvat learned a bunch from the Sedins, who in turn learned from Naslund and Linden. And yeah, the gap in this case is larger because it wasn't a direct succession, but if EP40 wears an A for the team, a minimal expectation is that he's going to be a leader on the team. Right now he's giving stupid curt answers about the media, and it seems that he isn't turning towards an excellent source of advice for guidance. That's not a good thing to hear. I'm hoping we hear otherwise.

This is the exact crap I'm talking about. Like what a completely made up agenda to support a bs bias against a player.

So you went from some crap report to he doesn't interact with the Sedin's at all outside of work? Like what does this mean, he doesn't say "Hi" when he runs into them after practice, he isn't best friends with a couple of 45 year old family guys in his free time, he doesn't go help them raise their children, or plan vacations with them?

Like what the hell are you even trying to say? Are you saying he actively tells the Sedin's to f$%k off at practice because he doesn't want to learn from them like Horvat? Are the Sedin's gong out pounding beers regularly at the Roxy and Petterson is the only one that doesn't show up? I'm amazed at the low level of reaching to slander someone. Just sounds absolutely childish and desperately reaching. Was Horvat over at the Sedin's every night after hockey? I would think God would know better.

This is just.... wrong.

Petey should absolutely be getting all the advice and mentorship he can from the Twins not only because they are both Hall of Famers and the definition of hard work but because they went through similar struggles/criticisms from the fanbase and media in their early careers.

Not doing so simply reeks of ego and a lack of self awareness. Not traits you want in your franchise centre. You think guys like Crosby and MacKinnon would do the same? No shot.

Again, this is weak conjecture. Wasn't there clips of Petey working with D.Sedin on his own time? Don't the Sedin's work with all of our players? Where are you getting he doesn't listen to anything they say and doesn't want any advice from them? Did he say that, or was it some idiots on the radio making some bland statement and all the haters are now running with it?

No wonder Petey says he's hates the media ... this stupid bullshit is the result.

thissssss

i really wish ppl would stop giving these guys' attention. @God is already speaking it as fact. such a nothing burger

No doubt ... the problem with social media is all these people who are suspectable, listen to this crap daily, and eat up all this garbage they spew out. They are the ones who are contributing to all the negativity and bringing down the team. After I come here for the Canuck news I often have to remind myself that it's not actually reflective of the real world and a lot of the negative sh!tshow is a select group of posters with an axe to grind who fabricate their own stories.

 

[arttk]

We will not be trading Boeser for picks/prospects barring some sort of weird/complicated deal where we then flip those assets for a different comparable top-6 winger.

that sounds like exactly the thing they would do..

 

[Nucker101]

that sounds like exactly the thing they would do..

This is my hope as well, this team desperately need forwards up front who can carry the puck and make plays. Chytil might sadly be our best at that right now due to Petey turning into Alex Wennberg

 

[arttk]

This is my hope as well, this team desperately need forwards up front who can carry the puck and make plays. Chytil might sadly be our best at that right now due to Petey turning into Alex Wennberg

i think they are willing to take a downgrade in skill level if they can up level in terms of speed and size.

 

[DFAC]

We are cooked.

 

[bossram]

How people can't see through this fluff garbage is mind boggling. If you don't listen to these radio podcasts and just come here like I do you can see the lemmings just foaming at the mouth and following these maroons off the cliff.

Wow, the mental gymnastics people go through to invent imaginary problems. Negative bias and attempting to support self made narratives is so obvious with these folks.

This is the exact crap I'm talking about. Like what a completely made up agenda to support a bs bias against a player.

So you went from some crap report to he doesn't interact with the Sedin's at all outside of work? Like what does this mean, he doesn't say "Hi" when he runs into them after practice, he isn't best friends with a couple of 45 year old family guys in his free time, he doesn't go help them raise their children, or plan vacations with them?

Like what the hell are you even trying to say? Are you saying he actively tells the Sedin's to f$%k off at practice because he doesn't want to learn from them like Horvat? Are the Sedin's gong out pounding beers regularly at the Roxy and Petterson is the only one that doesn't show up? I'm amazed at the low level of reaching to slander someone. Just sounds absolutely childish and desperately reaching. Was Horvat over at the Sedin's every night after hockey? I would think God would know better.

Again, this is weak conjecture. Wasn't there clips of Petey working with D.Sedin on his own time? Don't the Sedin's work with all of our players? Where are you getting he doesn't listen to anything they say and doesn't want any advice from them? Did he say that, or was it some idiots on the radio making some bland statement and all the haters are now running with it?

No wonder Petey says he's hates the media ... this stupid bullshit is the result.

No doubt ... the problem with social media is all these people who are suspectable, listen to this crap daily, and eat up all this garbage they spew out. They are the ones who are contributing to all the negativity and bringing down the team. After I come here for the Canuck news I often have to remind myself that it's not actually reflective of the real world and a lot of the negative sh!tshow is a select group of posters with an axe to grind who fabricate their own stories.

100%. There is enough stuff to legitimately criticize Petey for. This story about the Sedins is just bottom-of-the-barrel BS designed to whip up the lowest common denominator fans.

Like, he isn't friends with them outside of team functions? Okay? Is that controversial? Like, who cares?

This is the same kind of dumb BS the media whips up to run a guy out a town, similar to the CGY media bashing Dougie Hamilton because he "likes museums" and didn't want to go smash beers with the boys.

 

[ManVanFan]

You are just wrong in a lot of this though.

First if we get the equivalent of a 1st, and a top prospect. First lets look at the prospect, normally for a UFA you are not getting a blue chip guy and at best an Raty who is what at best a 3rd liner and not contributing until is 3/4th year? and if that first is at best a Lekkermakki (a really good pick) he is also not helping until his 3rd season from his draft.

So you get nothing to help you while Hughes is under contract.

Second, making the playoffs is still valuable, even if it is a sweep. As a business it help you with your next year budget, and that isn't anything to do with the cap, but other things you maybe able to spend your money, like sleep doctors, coaches, or whatever else a multi-billion dollar franchise spends on.

Now if we are not signing Boeser I am pro training him, I just also see us targeting pieces that our about winning closer to now. Like trying to pry Sillinger out of CBJ or something in that vein.

You just described what Canuck management has been doing since 2014. Where the Canucks have made it to the playoffs 3 out of 10 times and not more than once in a row. (Maybe this is the year they make it in twice in a row). Why is that a team that's supposed to be in their contention window can't make the playoffs multiple years in a row. Extremely poor asset management would be my best guess. Taking short cuts.

I'd like to see a plan to success not the same old praying that literally everything goes right or back to square one again.

 

[racerjoe]

You just described what Canuck management has been doing since 2014. Where the Canucks have made it to the playoffs 3 out of 10 times and not more than once in a row. (Maybe this is the year they make it in twice in a row). Why is that a team that's supposed to be in their contention window can't make the playoffs multiple years in a row. Extremely poor asset management would be my best guess. Taking short cuts.

I'd like to see a plan to success not the same old praying that literally everything goes right or back to square one again.

This is where execution makes a huge difference... going from Benning to competent matters.

Plus if its Benning we just wouldn't trade Hamhuis er I mean Brock and its a lose lose. Versus now I think its 50/50.

Doing it the way it seems you want means we are rebuilding and losing Hughes. so 1 playoff run every ten years... yay.

 

[Nucker101]

i think they are willing to take a downgrade in skill level if they can up level in terms of speed and size.

Depends on what skills. I think Boeser is average at best as a puck carrier so if they downgrade to a player worse than him at puck carrying then yikes, but yea we’re most likely going to take a hit in finishing ability if moving on from him.

 

[Nick Lang]

Even with Hughes, do you actually think the Canucks would win a round? Heck even a game in the first round? Have you seen the past couple months of this team? In the past 22 games they are scoring 2.05 GPG. Watch Boeser walk for free after. Would be the most Canuck thing to do. F-ed

I don't think it really matters if they win a round myself. It's certainly possible. Winnipeg got beat last year pretty badly and Dallas barely won. It would be a good sign to make the playoffs twice in a row. That's how teams typically get better at winning in the playoffs, by building up to something, so yeah I think it would be great and important for this group to make it even if we don't win. Certainly would be great for the players after this season. Everyone loves to play in the postseason even if the odds are stacked against you. It would be a breath of fresh air after all the turmoil.

I was thinking the same thing.This team does not have the horses to do any damage in the playoffs.If we are counting on EP40 to lead our forwards we are screwed.We don't match any fire power of Edm Winnipeg or Vegas.
This season is a right off..and has been for awhile.Im tired of Tocchets defensive first and dump and chase game.with a bunch of soft players.It does not work as we can see..Can't even score 2 goals now in games is pretty frustrating to watch..I do not see a lack of direction for this team .Get what you can for anyone that does not want to be here and find a different coach.

As above I think it would be very helpful to make the playoffs. It shows we have a good floor and something to build on. You never know what will happen. We certainly have a good enough team to make beating us difficult. The season has been difficult but no reason to throw in the towel and ruin our chances either for 2 or 3 draft positions. This is what NHL hockey looks like. It's tough. I could actually see us being better sans Boeser with a couple other moves.

Having said that I agree with @ManVanFan that I would trade Boeser and either reinvest or use those assets in the future. I do agree with people saying GM's don't do this often though. We have a real dilemma as our management has repeatedly said they will not let good players walk away for nothing. If we could use those assets on a replacement for Boeser I'd be totally on board.

Depends on what skills. I think Boeser is average at best as a puck carrier so if they downgrade to a player worse than him at puck carrying then yikes, but yea we’re most likely going to take a hit in finishing ability if moving on from him.

Is it even possible find a player worse at carrying the puck then slow as molasses Boeser? He just shows up in the offensive zone for a pass, deflection, or tap in, at some point. I don't think this is a concern at all, especially for a player with speed. Definitely going to downgrade on finishing but that's literally all Boeser is better than poor-average at.

 

[arttk]

Depends on what skills. I think Boeser is average at best as a puck carrier so if they downgrade to a player worse than him at puck carrying then yikes, but yea we’re most likely going to take a hit in finishing ability if moving on from him.

i imagine downgrade at goal scoring but upgrade at speed and puck moving.

 

[ManVanFan]

This is where execution makes a huge difference... going from Benning to competent matters.

Plus if its Benning we just wouldn't trade Hamhuis er I mean Brock and its a lose lose. Versus now I think its 50/50.

Doing it the way it seems you want means we are rebuilding and losing Hughes. so 1 playoff run every ten years... yay.

How are they rebuilding by trading 1 player?

 

[JT Milker]

100%. There is enough stuff to legitimately criticize Petey for. This story about the Sedins is just bottom-of-the-barrel BS designed to whip up the lowest common denominator fans.

Like, he isn't friends with them outside of team functions? Okay? Is that controversial? Like, who cares?

This is the same kind of dumb BS the media whips up to run a guy out a town, similar to the CGY media bashing Dougie Hamilton because he "likes museums" and didn't want to go smash beers with the boys.

Wasn’t the original rumour that the they were at odds RE: his injury and performance while injured? Maybe I’m missing something but I’m not sure how this has morphed into them not being best buddies away from the rink.

 

[Wisp]

If the Canucks trade Boeser for futures they are immediately trading those futures for a player they like.

Wasn’t the original rumour that the they were at odds RE: his injury and performance while injured? Maybe I’m missing something but I’m not sure how this has morphed into them not being best buddies away from the rink.

This discussion stems from Jason Brough, who said yesterday Pettersson and the Sedins don't have a relationship and Pettersson prefers to figure things out on his own.

 

[Hodgy]

Teams in playoff positions do not sell top players. It's incredible that people still don't understand this.

Is Boeser a top player though? He's on pace to score 53 points this year, and that assumes no more injuries and that he continues to score at a .70 per game rate. But he's got 2 points in 7 games since Miller left.

Doesn't really seem like a "top player" although obviously our offense sucks so he's going to rank higher by comparison. But even then, I really don't think Boeser, whether he's here or no post-deadline, is going to make a significant affect on the Canucks, and if management agrees, then I can see them trading him for futures at the deadline. Obviously I think they'd also try to trade those futures at the deadline for immediate help like they did with Miller and MP, but I don't know if that will be a condition to trading Boeser.

Going into the deadline the Capitals were 5 points out of a playoff spot with the Islanders 3 points ahead of them. Like you said, the Red Wings weren't in a playoff position when they traded Hronek. If the Canucks fall out of a playoff spot over the next few games then the equation changes but until that happens, they are a playoff team and it is very rare for teams in a playoff spot to sell off upcoming UFAs for future returns.

I don't think the whole in or out of a playoff spot at the deadline is material. I think teams within 4 points or so are close enough that it doesn't really matter that the are technically out of a playoff spot. It of course also ignores games played.

We are cooked.

It's actually incredible that Pettersson's play has some how dropped this month. I would have thought, at the turn of the year, that there was no way his play could get worse.

 

[racerjoe]

How are they rebuilding by trading 1 player?

If they are not making themselves better in the here and now, and banking on the future assets which will not help us during the length of Hughes contract... they will be rebuilding if not now, then in another year.

Again it is not that you can not trade Boeser, but more so you have to be making this current team better.

 

[JT Milker]

If the Canucks trade Boeser for futures they are immediately trading those futures for a player they like.


This discussion stems from Jason Brough, who said yesterday Pettersson and the Sedins don't have a relationship and Pettersson prefers to figure things out on his own.

Interesting, I didn’t listen to the hit because I couldn’t care less but it was originally worded differently in the thread, specifically about his injury.

 

[Wisp]

Interesting, I didn’t listen to the hit because I couldn’t care less but it was originally worded differently in the thread, specifically about his injury.

I think with anything people are reading to deeply into it and bringing their own theories to it. This has become a mystery for some people to piece together and every new tid bit of trivia gets super fixated on as a piece to a perceived puzzle.