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[TruGr1t]

Or if you actually read about it and learn that knee tendonitis takes a full calendar year to heal and he’ll most likely be fine with a healthy offseason to train.

The condition can also be chronic, it really depends. I've known runners who have never gotten over it their entire lives.

 

[racerjoe]

Seriously..
I feel like a lot of folks here have never experience any type of injuries that actually limits what you can do physically and assumes that all athletes can simply play through it by taking some Tylenol and shit.

Yeah… I think some just don’t get it too, and think all injuries are equal.

I have had an injury that took me a year just to get back to normal life, and even now, 20 years later I still don’t have full movement. But if I said I just broke my arm, most would wonder why I couldn’t be back in a few weeks.

 

[Bobby9]

Seriously..
I feel like a lot of folks here have never experience any type of injuries that actually limits what you can do physically and assumes that all athletes can simply play through it by taking some Tylenol and shit.

Usually when we’re injured we rest and recover. Not play in a world class tournament. That would almost make it seem like the person playing isn’t injured.

But if any of the pretend injury crowd admitted that then they would have to face that the player isn’t that good right now

 

[racerjoe]

Usually when we’re injured we rest and recover. Not play in a world class tournament. That would almost make it seem like the person playing isn’t injured.

I love how despite your comments having nothing to do with what was said you still say the. With such conviction

 

[Bobby9]

I love how despite your comments having nothing to do with what was said you still say the. With such conviction

I love how I give you purpose

 

[Jerry the great]

I don’t think Petterssons trade value has dropped yet, it’s just the way some here perceive it. Could it drop, absolutely, but GMs aren’t that dumb… well most of them… ok some of them.

Again it should be reminded the Pettersson to the Canes was going to be more than what the Avs got for Rantanaan.

You're dreaming if you think he has the same trade value now as he had last spring when we first put him on the block.

 

[racerjoe]

You're dreaming if you think he has the same trade value now as he had last spring when we first put him on the block.

We’ll trade rumour wise he did… so I guess I am dreaming…

 

[Vector]

Wrote up an article on some buy-low candidates. Heavily factored in speed and luck. A few have already been discussed here.

 

[Fatass]

Seriously..
I feel like a lot of folks here have never experience any type of injuries that actually limits what you can do physically and assumes that all athletes can simply play through it by taking some Tylenol and shit.

For sure many posters have had knee Issues but since we are pretty much plough horses and Petey is a thoroughbred we can still go out and get our jobs done, while Petey is going to be more impacted in performance. Plus, he’s playing against other thoroughbreds. A dip in his health isn’t really comparable to the plough horses we are.

 

[Bobby9]

You're dreaming if you think he has the same trade value now as he had last spring when we first put him on the block.. Don’t bother.

Jer, don’t bother. I have been concerned about EP116 since his second season. All the red flags were there.

I was blown away they paid him to be the franchise player. I’ve been in exchanges with the pretendonitis crowd ever since even though the facts and reality is proving them all wrong. People who have debilitating injuries dont play through them for years. Ownership groups dont let their franchise players play through injuries for years.

In every industry in the world management let personnel take time off when they’re really struggling. They won’t send them to tournaments or add more work to their workload.

Sometimes you just have to let people be totally delusional

Let me spell out reality again. He is a very skilled player but he isn’t built to play against the other centres in the West. When the style of play changes in the playoffs he will be exposed badly. He’s injury prone and appears to be very mentally fragile. His game was built of speed and IQ/skill. Now that he’s damages good it’s just a slow smart player.

As a complimentary 7 million dollar player he has tremendous value to a team but as THE guy on a team? The team stands no chance. He is not a driver. He lacks intensity and the ability to take games over. He needed JT more than anybody on our team to balance the skill/strength balance out. He is very badly exposed right now and his value will continue to plummet.

 

[sting101]

Jer, don’t bother. I have been concerned about EP116 since his second season. All the red flags were there.

I was blown away they paid him to be the franchise player. I’ve been in exchanges with the pretendonitis crowd ever since even though the facts and reality is proving them all wrong. People who have debilitating injuries dont play through them for years. Ownership groups dont let their franchise players play through injuries for years.

In every industry in the world management let personnel take time off when they’re really struggling. They won’t send them to tournaments or add more work to their workload.

Sometimes you just have to let people be totally delusional

Aren't you the one that questions players abilities based off size?

Wrote up an article on some buy-low candidates. Heavily factored in speed and luck. A few have already been discussed here.

Not sure any of those are upgrades to just re signing Suter and in fact most are not.

Maccelli plays way too much on the perimeter and Crouse is expensive would cost assets and is doubtfully at this point much of a upgrade on Joshua or O'Connor even.

Appreciate the content

 

[Bobby9]

Aren't you the one that questions players abilities based off size?

4 S.

Skill, Size, Strength and Speed. Skill and IQ can be grouped together.

EP had 2 which was enough to get by on. Now he has 1 and is struggling badly.

In a pocket skill is very very important and that’s where EP would shine but over a 7 game series size and strength start to become more important players like EP become less valuable.

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Seriously..
I feel like a lot of folks here have never experience any type of injuries that actually limits what you can do physically and assumes that all athletes can simply play through it by taking some Tylenol and shit.

Broke my leg during ice hockey when I was 9.

It looked like a toothpick after, and it still feels weird today.

 

[sting101]

4 S.

Skill, Size, Strength and Speed. Skill and IQ can be grouped together.

EP had 2 which was enough to get by on. Now he has 1 and is struggling badly.

Nobody groups things like this in the scouting community?

 

[Bobby9]

Nobody groups things like this in the scouting community?

Are you asking me? I don’t know what scouts do in terms of ratings.

I think when JT was playing well we had a great 1-2 punch. EP w speed and IQ. JT with strength and good size.

Well now we are putting the lions share of all of the match ups on a flawed player. I feel bad for him.

Unless we are able to find that type of player to slot in to the team EP will continue to get crushed. Like can you actually imagine a 1st round series against Edmonton right now?

 

[JT Milker]

Broke my leg during ice hockey when I was 9.

It looked like a toothpick after, and it still feels weird today.

On the flipside, I tore my ACL a few years ago and ran 2 miles in 10 minutes yesterday. Comparing injury recovery with elite athletes is a pointless exercise.

 

[God]

Wrote up an article on some buy-low candidates. Heavily factored in speed and luck. A few have already been discussed here.

Nice article. I think the most realistic options are probably Maccelli and Toropchenko, and only Maccelli has the potential to really move the needle for the team in terms of offense. The others are good but I'm not convinced they can't find those qualities in free agency.

 

[Vector]

Aren't you the one that questions players abilities based off size?


Not sure any of those are upgrades to just re signing Suter and in fact most are not.

Maccelli plays way too much on the perimeter and Crouse is expensive would cost assets and is doubtfully at this point much of a upgrade on Joshua or O'Connor even.

Appreciate the content

Part of my reasoning is that the Canucks are expected to have around 10-12m deadline cap space. Even if a big ticket player is brought in, there will still be excess. If that’s the case, would make sense to grab a player at almost no cost, like the Predators did with Zucker last season

 

[sandwichbird2023]

The condition can also be chronic, it really depends. I've known runners who have never gotten over it their entire lives.

This is key. If the team determine his knee injury is going to be chronic, you have to move him before the NTC kicks in.
I'm still hoping that it isn't the case, and that he can regain his leg strength this off season. We as outsiders will never know the full extent of his injury, but it does not look good at all the last 12 months.

Jer, don’t bother. I have been concerned about EP116 since his second season. All the red flags were there.

I was blown away they paid him to be the franchise player. I’ve been in exchanges with the pretendonitis crowd ever since even though the facts and reality is proving them all wrong. People who have debilitating injuries dont play through them for years. Ownership groups dont let their franchise players play through injuries for years.

In every industry in the world management let personnel take time off when they’re really struggling. They won’t send them to tournaments or add more work to their workload.

Sometimes you just have to let people be totally delusional

Let me spell out reality again. He is a very skilled player but he isn’t built to play against the other centres in the West. When the style of play changes in the playoffs he will be exposed badly. He’s injury prone and appears to be very mentally fragile. His game was built of speed and IQ/skill. Now that he’s damages good it’s just a slow smart player.

As a complimentary 7 million dollar player he has tremendous value to a team but as THE guy on a team? The team stands no chance. He is not a driver. He lacks intensity and the ability to take games over. He needed JT more than anybody on our team to balance the skill/strength balance out. He is very badly exposed right now and his value will continue to plummet.

Petey was excellent in the bubble playoff. His style of play did not negatively affected him, neither did his frame/weight/strength. In fact, he was somewhat of a playoff warrior previously, winning the SHL playoff MVP as a 19 year old in Sweden. The younger/healthy version of Petey has no problem going up against the best in the playoff, the question to me is whether he can get back to that level. Obviously the current version will get smoked by the MacKinnon/Eichel/McDrai in the West right now. Even Schiefele/Kopitar would outmatch him. Hopefully he will regain his form after a summer of training.

 

[Bgav]

How much do you guys think Sam Bennett will make as a free agent? Canucks are lacking skill and physical play he brings

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

How much do you guys think Sam Bennett will make as a free agent? Canucks are lacking skill and physical play he brings

Too much

 

[Bobby9]

How much do you guys think Sam Bennett will make as a free agent? Canucks are lacking skill and physical play he brings

8M will be the low end which is insane imo

 

[sting101]

Are you asking me? I don’t know what scouts do in terms of ratings.

I think when JT was playing well we had a great 1-2 punch. EP w speed and IQ. JT with strength and good size.

Well now we are putting the lions share of all of the match ups on a flawed player. I feel bad for him.

Unless we are able to find that type of player to slot in to the team EP will continue to get crushed. Like can you actually imagine a 1st round series against Edmonton right now?

I do and i can tell you the last thing they do is group skill and IQ together. Usually it's more size/strength combination and how that projects into certain roles. A shut down defender would almost unilaterally be of a certain size/strength projection. As far as forwards it really doesn't mean a whole lot and certainly should not if you drop tiers of ability to obtain a size/strength profile

Skating - Shot/finishing - Playmaking/Passing/Stickhandling - IceQ/Intelligence with Size/Strength and Compete/Tenacity/Durability being the defining characteristics that influence the upside of the aforementioned.

Above Is a typical template and most top picks have elite scores in multiple categories before anybody cares about the latter traits. They do matter a lot though. Being too weak too docile too injury prone (Patrick) can be a death nail

I share some of the concerns and agree that not having Miller has cratered this team in the short term. Miller for whatever his emotional mental short comings are was a top10 C and had the compete size/strength to be able to negate or wear down contenders top Cs when focussed. Chytil is not that guy

What is nonsense is ignoring that players dealing with injuries can lead to substantial drops in play. You have also been steadfast about size and strength being as or more important than talent. I dont know how anyone could have watched the TB Lightning win Cups and still be stuck in the 90's with an archaic view that dismisses skill and speed.

 

[Bobby9]

This is key. If the team determine his knee injury is going to be chronic, you have to move him before the NTC kicks in.
I'm still hoping that it isn't the case, and that he can regain his leg strength this off season. We as outsiders will never know the full extent of his injury, but it does not look good at all the last 12 months.


Petey was excellent in the bubble playoff. His style of play did not negatively affected him, neither did his frame/weight/strength. In fact, he was somewhat of a playoff warrior previously, winning the SHL playoff MVP as a 19 year old in Sweden. The younger/healthy version of Petey has no problem going up against the best in the playoff, the question to me is whether he can get back to that level. Obviously the current version will get smoked by the MacKinnon/Eichel/McDrai in the West right now. Even Schiefele/Kopitar would outmatch him. Hopefully he will regain his form after a summer of training.

So because he went full Fernando Pisani 8 years ago we should hold out hope?

Sports generally are a what have you done for me lately industry. All EP116 has done is sulk, face plant and let down the team( the city and the organization. I don’t care what he did in the SHL

I do and i can tell you the last thing they do is group skill and IQ together. Usually it's more size/strength combination and how that projects into certain roles. A shut down defender would almost unilaterally be of a certain size/strength projection. As far as forwards it really doesn't mean a whole lot and certainly should not if you drop tiers of ability to obtain a size/strength profile

Skating - Shot/finishing - Playmaking/Passing/Stickhandling - IceQ/Intelligence with Size/Strength and Compete/Tenacity/Durability being the defining characteristics that influence the upside of the aforementioned.

Above Is a typical template and most top picks have elite scores in multiple categories before anybody cares about the latter traits. They do matter a lot though. Being too weak too docile too injury prone (Patrick) can be a death nail

I share some of the concerns and agree that not having Miller has cratered this team in the short term. Miller for whatever his emotional mental short comings are was a top10 C and had the compete size/strength to be able to negate or wear down contenders top Cs when focussed. Chytil is not that guy

What is nonsense is ignoring that players dealing with injuries can lead to substantial drops in play. You have also been steadfast about size and strength being as or more important than talent. I dont know how anyone could have watched the TB Lightning win Cups and still be stuck in the 90's with an archaic view that dismisses skill and speed.

I am working out but I want to respond because it seems like you put in effort to respond to me and I want to read your answer. Thank you.

 

[sting101]

Would love Bennett but he's a pretty ornery presence and i would imagine his past dealings in a Canadian city would deter him from wanting that level of attention as he ages and becomes a negative value contract