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i understand we have tons of shortterm cap at the tdl, but has anyone done an analysis of our cap situation next season to figure out what kind of longterm cap we can absorb at the tdl? apart from boeser's money being available if he walks i do not have a good handle.

assuming everything stays pretty much the same the canucks have 8 forwards, 5 defenders and 1 goalie signed into next year and have 22 million in cap space. that means no boeser, no suter, no lankinen and no forbort. if you assume soucy is gone then it's one less defender and 25.5 in cap space

you can fill some of these spots with league min salaries like raty, sasson and pettersson but if you bring back boeser, suter and lankinen it gets tight fast. you can't really afford to use the deadline cap space on anyone with term
 
Evans is the hot TDL add right now, which means a team will overpay for his services and he will probably get a Beagle/Ferland contract on July 1st. Definitely a pass for me.

A 2C is an ideal target to push Suter into the wing and have flexibility like we had when we added Lindholm, but aside from the 1st we don't really have good assets left to trade without hurting the team in the near future (i.e. Willander/Lekkerimaki/EP2). Cozens is probably the only one who would be available and able to be afforded, but he would be a very risky add with his current contract and guarantee that we lose Boeser in the off-season.

So an impactful addition would probably come down to an Allvin cook and I have no idea what it'd look like. Maybe Boeser goes the other way, maybe there's some three-way cap retention shenanigans, dunno. I don't think Allvin will pull the trigger if it's not a surefire Top 6 player or a RHD that pushes down Myers, but he knows he can't mortgage the next season either.
 
what's funny for me is i wanted Konecny Tkachuk Necas Dobson and ever since i keep in my head trying to re acquire them. Thank F our management at least beat me on one one of those......although i suppose next year at some point 40 probably gets back to Necas level. Still light years better contract right now though
why would they want to downgrade on both? Weegar and Anderson are both way better than Byram and Cozens is massively overpaid (2x) for what he brings.
To reset their timeline and get a legit top6C. Cozens is a no brainer bounce back

Ultimately if the Flames got Byram for Weegar they would have their #1 PP guy and a LD RD or Byram Andersson for many more years as front line guys. The Sabres do it because Byram's contract will be tough to mange with 4 Left shot D making big money and they an use a RD with some veteran influence.

The rest are just off setting pieces if they can pry Cozens but i have my doubt he's going anywhere just yet.
 
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ROR would be a nice add but Nashville has nothing at C once he's gone and has already been tasking Stamkos there. Svechkov is on a longer term trajectory would be unwise to be plunking into a top6 right now without insulating him and i doubt they do.
 
assuming everything stays pretty much the same the canucks have 8 forwards, 5 defenders and 1 goalie signed into next year and have 22 million in cap space. that means no boeser, no suter, no lankinen and no forbort. if you assume soucy is gone then it's one less defender and 25.5 in cap space

you can fill some of these spots with league min salaries like raty, sasson and pettersson but if you bring back boeser, suter and lankinen it gets tight fast. you can't really afford to use the deadline cap space on anyone with term
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that is actually pretty tight.

with 14 skaters, so 8 or 9 spots to fill. allocate $1m each to the 8 or 9 spots and they have $14m left they can spend on salaries over $1m with a 22 person roster, or $13m with a 23 person roster.

they will have to add a backup of some ability given demko's fragility, and a rhd depth piece and a 3c. they can, as you say, move soucy and re-sign forbort or another lhd depth piece and maybe save another $2m.

so assume they sign

3c for $3m
backup for $3m
depth dman for $1.5m

that leaves $9-11m they could spend on boeser or his replacement assuming no other upgrades.

so if they re-sign boeser they can't make any major moves without a trade.

and if they make any moves at the tdl with meaningful cap into next year, boeser is likely gone.
 
idk if ROR wants to play in western Canada, but if you're giving assets to Nashville its for Forsberg first and foremost.
ROR turned down a decent contract offer from the Leafs a few years ago and ended up signing with a non-contender. Something tells me he's complacent with one cup and will ride off into the sunset at the end of his contract.
 
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A Boeser trade. How much does a team need in cap space at the TDL?
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About one quarter of his cap hit, that's around 1.67 mil. That opens it up for many teams

IMO both the Islanders and Rangers might take a swing just so they could reunite him with either Horvat or JTMiller.

As a rental FA he isn't going to break the bank for any team.

He might get a 28 to 56 pick in the draft or the team might add and go for a top prospect or player not signed yet.

Pettersson is now a no win situation. If he excels in the 4 nations it shows there is still an existing problem here, if falls flat on his face his trade value plummets.
A problem in this market is perception, too many people may feel the last 100+ games are a myth and want to blame it all on JTM. IMO no amount of hate in the room will cause that much of decline. Even now he gets a good pass in and some are saying "He is coming back" and ignore that 5 other players also had good passes, more shots on goal, more points and are paid a lot less. An example is DeBrusk, if not for the distractions of EP, JTM and QH he would be on the hot seat.

IF and WHEN EP40 is dealt one big return is cap space. Just because the cap goes up is no reason to waste either cap space, a roster spot or plain money. That in itself might give the wrong message in the room that playing below your contract value is alright and even rewarded by trying to get players to prop up their own stats.
There will be teams that will take on his contract and take a chance he has a renaissance and might not be a destination location, Winnipeg? In most US cities he might not even be recognized that much so media pressure is negligible or nonexistent.

Demko's new injury. Is it new? I have been posting I thought/think it is his hip. Well now it is not his knee.

Quinn Hughes;
The spin on his missing the 4 nations is being his choice to miss for the Canucks instead of just too injured to play. Oblique? Or sports hernia? Same types of symptoms. Tocchet exaggerated his last skating session saying he skated really hard. Didn't look like it, more like trying to change his skating stride, blade angles, push offs. Didn't see much in quick pivots. That he is missing the 4 nations and playing with his brother kind of points to something more serious than a pulled muscle.
What is has done is demonstrate the team can win without him or EP40 and actually have more players having better games. EPD gets starts and low and behold he can play in the NHL now, Hronek steps up his game and Myers still has another gear and a pretty good shot. No real change in the PP.

Tocchet;
I have always stated he isn't what he seemed. His system smothers skilled players. BUT I have said his system would be good in the playoffs, just it makes getting in much harder and the games are boring. Play not to lose 5 on 5 and count of the special teams to win or go for the loser point, OTL. I think, my opinion, there was something much more to JTM's reset and Tocchet's gushing practice presser right after the last minute team press release. IMO he is losing the room for established players or those that have been here a long time. A pretty good orator that had "tells" but he has altered his pressers now and the "tells" are harder to see, except when he gets ....excited. Eyes, hands, left carotid artery and vein in his forehead, changes in voice and eye movement. More relaxed when just chatting. Can lie fairly well except he says "I don't know" a lot when it is an issue a coach HAS to know for lineups and changes in player assignments. Tocchet does a have a reputation of numerous players with trade demands, more than any other coach.

Allvin;
He has made a lot of rookie mistakes. IMO he hired Tocchet long before it was announced. Forget blaming Rutherford they put his head in a noose. He hired Allvin and because it was so soon after he had to support his new guy's ideas or fire him. He had to give Allvin a chance. Allvin relied on Tocchet to remake the team, get him "his" players and get rid of those he didn't like. He could be on thin ice now, Allvin/Tocchet might be bum buddies but things happened within the team, players. See above.

Rutherford;
His opening statements erased much of the distrust of the fan base. A straight shooter that says what he thinks because he doesn't need the job. Pulled out of retirement he stated many things the Allvin has ignored. JR said it would not take long to evaluate the team, there was lots of "tape" so it would not take long. He told the fan base there would be trades they didn't like and that while a, paraphrasing, scorched earth rebuild would not happen he wanted to build a contender not just a single playoff series. He thought Demko was a franchise goalie but felt he might be covering up lots of holes on the team, that teams not contending for a cup should never be capped out, he wouldn't sign older players to long term contracts because they rarely work out, would not be trading away picks to move contracts or buying out players or retaining money in trades. This is all in his frist couple of media pressers. But he hired a GM to run the team and his job is to support that GM or fire him. Allvin is his friend for years. So I guess there could be some other back room things done, an expansion of duties or increase of power/say to the other 3 GM's. This would/might be reflected in changes of the coach, media events (which has happened, most are by employees now) or solving past mistakes which is happening now. Rutherford's own choices with the structure he put in place is he now only gives advice, if not followed he has two choices, give whatever is done a chance to work with a short runway or remove whomever isnt' listening, fire him don't resign or redelegate authorities/responsibilities.

Fans;
So many are "today" people. Raised with 128 character messages. The percentage that actually play a sport has diminished to 98% coach potatoes quarterbacks. It is so much easier to follow than to research, look up or use their own judgements. They start believing what they are told to think or what "influencers" say. Most "influencers" are now employed directly or indirectly by the team, NHL or main sponsor/partner. That isn't to say everything is wrong but most is biased towards whatever they are told to pass on to keep their jobs. This is evident in how many "reporters" now follow the team. Credintials revoked or only for "pro" reporters. They use astro surfing to bury many issues or make those that are neutral look like haters. This extends to local team forums. How many fans really believe that the team can't win without Hughes? Pettersson, Boeser or Demko? Those same will gladly ignore that the group hasn't won anyway. Today thinkers. Not all but very enthusiatic believers of "hope" or just afraid of change without understanding the reality of the lack of success of the TEAM. There is no "I" in TEAM.

Last Year;
Pretty much a fluke. Extremely few injuries. Outrageous shooting percentages the first half of the season, career years for most players, 3 players close to 100 pts, 5th best defence in the league, only winning season in the last 9 years and it still wasn't enough. Norris trophy dissapeared in the playoffs, 100 pt player became 12 point players, at least 3 games won in the last 2 minutes of games when the blinders were taken off and still pretty lucky,
 
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Ultimately if the Flames got Byram for Weegar they would have their #1 PP guy and a LD RD or Byram Andersson for many more years as front line guys. The Sabres do it because Byram's contract will be tough to mange with 4 Left shot D making big money and they an use a RD with some veteran influence.

The rest are just off setting pieces if they can pry Cozens but i have my doubt he's going anywhere just yet.
Weegar is not waiving his no trade clause to go to Buffalo. Also, I don’t know why Flames would trade Weegar over Andersson. Weegar is simply the better player, his contract should age pretty as well and his game should too. Andersson looks like the wear and tear is starting to affect his game. Second straight season where his defensive game has not been great.
 
what's funny for me is i wanted Konecny Tkachuk Necas Dobson and ever since i keep in my head trying to re acquire them. Thank F our management at least beat me on one one of those......although i suppose next year at some point 40 probably gets back to Necas level. Still light years better contract right now though

To reset their timeline and get a legit top6C. Cozens is a no brainer bounce back

Ultimately if the Flames got Byram for Weegar they would have their #1 PP guy and a LD RD or Byram Andersson for many more years as front line guys. The Sabres do it because Byram's contract will be tough to mange with 4 Left shot D making big money and they an use a RD with some veteran influence.

The rest are just off setting pieces if they can pry Cozens but i have my doubt he's going anywhere just yet.
If the flames traded Weegar for Byram, they'd be losing their #1 PP guy.

I think Cozens ever earning his contract is a coinflip at best. And Coronato being an offsetting piece is a bit of a head scratcher IMO. But I really am not a fan of Cozens at all.
 
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Well, they have officially made their bed with EP40. Remains to be seen if it will be on fire starting next season. But this feels like a pivotal moment for the current regime.

No more excuses for his performance. If he's hurt, rest him. He's doing us no favors risking permanent injury and limited production for the rest of his contract. That thing is buyout proof and comes with a full NMC, so if they are wrong and this is the new normal, it will be one of the worst value contracts in the league. He's an elite defensive player but that is not worth $11.6 million per. He needs to be putting up at least 70-80 points a year, and ideally closer to 90-100.

He got the big contract and now the peace of mind that he's staying, he got his nemesis off the team, now it's time to deliver. I think a big part of this that is underreported is that he and Hughes share the same agent, and breaking the handshake agreement not to deal him would prove to Hughes that their word means nothing.
 
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The right call. The NYI interest had me a little concerned, but I'm glad it's put to bed now.

Pettersson is 2nd pillar to this team.
Feel like the EP1 that comes back from playing for Sweden is going to be close to the one hundred points version.

Fast, fun, highest skilled but realistically low pressure hockey, and returning to an upgraded MP3 dressing room sans JTM, best case scenario for sure.
 
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Key in the offseason is going to be getting rid of Soucy and Hoglander.

The two alone make $6M+

Hoglander I'm more open to keep but don't want to sit through the same song and dance that we've seen for four years now. He is who he is, a good bottom six forward that has some upside but he won't reach his potential in Vancouver. A rebuilding team with loads of cap space that needs to hit the floor would make sense.

Chicago is the perfect place. Hoglander would have unlimited opportunities
How much would we have to add to Hoglander to get Teravainen? He's still a good top 6 playmaking winger on a reasonable contract.

Could also try to add to Hoglander to get Bertuzzi. Either Bertuzzi or Tervainen would be reasonable gets as they are both top six wingers that are making only $5.5M with minimal term left. Feel like they could use Soucy as well if they want more veteran presence on the back-end.

Soucy + Hoglander for Bertuzzi/Teravainen coud work for both teams.
 
Nashville fan here, Forsberg leaving is unrealistic. His price tag is very very high.
Oh we know, no idea how it'd even be possible with the assets available, just that FF is the only player worth spending assets on if dealing with the preds..
More of a dream scenario to get ep1 a nylander/Guentzel tier winger.
 
Maybe but there's also Trotz so...
I think his craziness has been somewhat overstated. His only unforgivable move has been not getting an asset for Fabbro, but since we're tanking it makes a little sense to dismantle our defense.

Oh we know, no idea how it'd even be possible with the assets available, just that FF is the only player worth spending assets on if dealing with the preds..
More of a dream scenario to get ep1 a nylander/Guentzel tier winger.
What, you don't want Schenn or Lauzon? :naughty:
 

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