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[sandwichbird2023]

We have limited assets, so we can probably make 1 trade for an impact player. Instead of pursuing wingers, I rather we find a center that can play 2C. Chytil has been good but having 3 strong centers is how championship teams are built. It also hedges against a Chytil injury or Petey struggling. Upgrade on Suter and move Pius to the wing.

ROR would be a really solid add based on our team construction. Hayton and even Brock Nelson (assuming we can extend him on a reasonable deal) could also be helpful.

We can also add a mid range winger like Marcelli as well if we need, he shouldn't cost too much.

Also seen Thomas and Johnston's names throw around in the previous thread. Doubt either are available but I would definitely be open to paying for them. Chytil + Willander + 1st + would not be out of the question for me. Thomas is already a star and Johnston will be one soon, they will give us a strong 1-2 punch down the middle for the next 7 years.

 

[bossram]

So aside from speed what is the appeal with norris right now and his risk?

Do we want 2 centers now with significant injury risk?

He historically has a high shooting percentage. He's a finisher. Not much else.

Injury risk is very real.

I’m coming around to the idea that of the buy-low top 6 options out there, Trevor Zegras represents the best fit. I’ve never been a big fan of the player in so far as serving as a core piece that you build a team on. But as a complementary guy on the second line, playing behind a true 1C, he could flourish in such a role. Plus, he adds some much needed skill and creativity to our line up. His defensive shortcomings are also a bit overblown due to his undeserved hype early on and the backlash it inspired. A medium level risk due to his 5.8M salary for the next 2 years and good chance he could be had for a good price - a 1st and a prospect/Hoglander or Raty.

I personally think he would be interesting as a truly "buy low" target, but Tocc would eat up him man. He's not gonna have success in VAN with Tocc as head coach. It's a Kuzmenko 2.0 situation.

 

[tantalum]

Ugh 10 days of no hockey. Hopefully the front office will cook up something good to talk about.

 

[Jroach]

We have limited assets, so we can probably make 1 trade for an impact player. Instead of pursuing wingers, I rather we find a center that can play 2C. Chytil has been good but having 3 strong centers is how championship teams are built. It also hedges against a Chytil injury or Petey struggling. Upgrade on Suter and move Pius to the wing.

ROR would be a really solid add based on our team construction. Hayton and even Brock Nelson (assuming we can extend him on a reasonable deal) could also be helpful.

We can also add a mid range winger like Marcelli as well if we need, he shouldn't cost too much.

Also seen Thomas and Johnston's names throw around in the previous thread. Doubt either are available but I would definitely be open to paying for them. Chytil + Willander + 1st + would not be out of the question for me. Thomas is already a star and Johnston will be one soon, they will give us a strong 1-2 punch down the middle for the next 7 years.

With Brock Nelson, would you envision him as a pure rental? I'd imagine he's looking for at least a 4 year deal, and would it be wise to give a 33 year old that? Similarly, do we want ROR until 2027 when he'll be 36 at a 4.5 mil caphit? With the rising cap, it sounds fairly palatable.

I think, reading into the reports, management is looking for a "mid 20s" centre rather than an older guy. I have a hunch they don't really want to spend more futures on vets, and are willing to take a bit of a "win now" hit to get a younger player who hasn't hit his prime yet if they're not going big.

But, we have Ruthervin running the team, so we should be prepared for anything. I'm on team "swing for the fences", but I don't think they're going to move out Chytil to make it happen. Willander and the 1st would certainly be gone, though. After that, you'd hope that they have another relatively attractive asset they can throw in (Hoglander? Raty?) that would get the team they're trading with interested. Bringing in a Robert Thomas or Wyatt Johnston would be immense.

Would Dallas or St Louis be interested in a d-prospect of Willander's calibre (which is admittedly blue chip) enough to trade out one of those guys for what would amount to a futures quantity for quality trade? Probably not, but it would turn this team into a cup contender really quickly.

 

[tantalum]

He's also apparently Hughes bestie, but yes I would assume the cost would be low of the basis on the injury risk etc. He's a nice player, but having him and Chytil in the line-up presents issues.

You're looking at it wrong. You have an oft-troublesome car so you purchase a second one for spare parts to keep the first one running....

 

[dellzor]

ROR is my ideal 2C target and is pretty cheap

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I have a few issues with moving on from Boeser, chief among them is we have no heir apparent waiting in the wings who can bring what he brings, and it seems unlikely we'd net such a person in a trade for him, either. He's a good character guy who's proven himself to be a good performer in the playoffs, and he may not be a consistent 40-goal/70+ point guy, but he's regularly contributed in that 25-30 goal, 50-60 point range.

 

[TruGr1t]

I have a few issues with moving on from Boeser, chief among them is we have no heir apparent waiting in the wings who can bring what he brings, and it seems unlikely we'd net such a person in a trade for him, either. He's a good character guy who's proven himself to be a good performer in the playoffs, and he may not be a consistent 40-goal/70+ point guy, but he's regularly contributed in that 25-30 goal, 50-60 point range.

The dressing room chemistry angle is probably the best one for keeping him, but on pure statistical basis you should be able to replace 60-70% of his production at least via UFA. Still depends on his ask, anything over 5 years at $7.5-$8M AAV is no bueno.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

The dressing room chemistry angle is probably the best one for keeping him, but on pure statistical basis you should be able to replace 60-70% of his production at least via UFA. Still depends on his ask, anything over 5 years at $7.5-$8M AAV is no bueno.

My issue with going to UFA is you likely pay just as much, if not more, to replace him.

 

[TruGr1t]

My issue with going to UFA is you likely pay just as much, if not more, to replace him.

I mean we just signed DeBrusk for under $6M AAV, given the cap inflation you should be able to get 60-70% of Boeser's production for well under $8M AAV.

 

[Jroach]

The dressing room chemistry angle is probably the best one for keeping him, but on pure statistical basis you should be able to replace 60-70% of his production at least via UFA. Still depends on his ask, anything over 5 years at $7.5-$8M AAV is no bueno.

Yep. I think if Boeser wants to stay, he's going to have to take a pretty decent hometown discount. Say, low 7's. He'll get 8+ mil on the open market for sure, but is he willing to take a pay cut to stay in Vancouver and help the team? I get the impression that he probably is, and if he's willing to take around 7 with a NTC, that's really not bad at all for what he brings with a rising cap. But it's still an investment based upon him aging well.

I'm glad I'm not the one making a decision on him.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Mgmt needs to use their cap space.

Acquire someone with warts (cap hit, injury history, age) that a team is willing to unload for relatively cheap but fits the need of the team.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

With Brock Nelson, would you envision him as a pure rental? I'd imagine he's looking for at least a 4 year deal, and would it be wise to give a 33 year old that? Similarly, do we want ROR until 2027 when he'll be 36 at a 4.5 mil caphit? With the rising cap, it sounds fairly palatable.

I think, reading into the reports, management is looking for a "mid 20s" centre rather than an older guy. I have a hunch they don't really want to spend more futures on vets, and are willing to take a bit of a "win now" hit to get a younger player who hasn't hit his prime yet if they're not going big.

But, we have Ruthervin running the team, so we should be prepared for anything. I'm on team "swing for the fences", but I don't think they're going to move out Chytil to make it happen. Willander and the 1st would certainly be gone, though. After that, you'd hope that they have another relatively attractive asset they can throw in (Hoglander? Raty?) that would get the team they're trading with interested. Bringing in a Robert Thomas or Wyatt Johnston would be immense.

Would Dallas or St Louis be interested in a d-prospect of Willander's calibre (which is admittedly blue chip) enough to trade out one of those guys for what would amount to a futures quantity for quality trade? Probably not, but it would turn this team into a cup contender really quickly.

I don't think we should be in the market for pure rentals, we are not a true contender this season and it wouldn't be wise to spend asset like we are one. Nelson as a target is purely based on the assumption that he signs a reasonable extension, no guarantee there.

I think ROR will still be effective going forward. He can't drive a line anymore but put him with Garland and there is the making of a very effective line. He also plays a game that I think can excel under Tocchet's system.

But definitely the dream scenario is Thomas or Johnston. Maybe swap Boeser for Sillinger if you think Sillinger has the offensive potential to be a 2C? I doubt Zegras is a Tocchet type player, but he does have the skillset to provide the offense that we badly need. Frost would've been another good target but the Flames snatched him already.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I mean we just signed DeBrusk for under $6M AAV, given the cap inflation you should be able to get 60-70% of Boeser's production for well under $8M AAV.

I don't think those two are strict apples to apples, though. Boeser has been a more consistent point producer than DeBrusk has.

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't think those two are strict apples to apples, though. Boeser has been a more consistent point producer than DeBrusk has.

No but will be interesting to compare them moving forward. Point is on a pure goal generation basis, however, you should be able to replace most of Boeser's output with a cheaper player. I do agree you have to consider chemistry though. I'd also be interested in older top-six UFAs who would take shorter-term deals.

 

[StickShift]

I mean we just signed DeBrusk for under $6M AAV, given the cap inflation you should be able to get 60-70% of Boeser's production for well under $8M AAV.

The cap inflation works both ways—Boeser may have been asking for $8mm before the news.

I imagine his agent (and other agents) are probably asking for more now if the cap is going up that much.

 

[Tv9924]

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Good.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I don't think those two are strict apples to apples, though. Boeser has been a more consistent point producer than DeBrusk has.

Swap Debrusk into brocks mins/linemates the last few years and his production is likely just as good.

Also brocks place as part of the core for his entire career shouldn't be underestimated.

 

[krutovsdonut]

ROR is my ideal 2C target and is pretty cheap

but he is a classic tdl overpay candidate because of that and because intangibles.

well that's news.

 

[StickShift]

Given what happened last time—I guess that means it is time for Pettersson to almost be traded to another team again.

 

[krutovsdonut]

i understand we have tons of shortterm cap at the tdl, but has anyone done an analysis of our cap situation next season to figure out what kind of longterm cap we can absorb at the tdl? apart from boeser's money being available if he walks i do not have a good handle.

 

[racerjoe]

The issue with Brock’s contract is dollar amount its term. That’s been the holdup.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I think they have seen enough lately (especially last game) to give them hope.

 

[Nick Lang]

We have limited assets, so we can probably make 1 trade for an impact player. Instead of pursuing wingers, I rather we find a center that can play 2C. Chytil has been good but having 3 strong centers is how championship teams are built. It also hedges against a Chytil injury or Petey struggling. Upgrade on Suter and move Pius to the wing.

ROR would be a really solid add based on our team construction. Hayton and even Brock Nelson (assuming we can extend him on a reasonable deal) could also be helpful.

We can also add a mid range winger like Marcelli as well if we need, he shouldn't cost too much.

Also seen Thomas and Johnston's names throw around in the previous thread. Doubt either are available but I would definitely be open to paying for them. Chytil + Willander + 1st + would not be out of the question for me. Thomas is already a star and Johnston will be one soon, they will give us a strong 1-2 punch down the middle for the next 7 years.

I'm a big Brock Nelson fan (especially the younger version) but he's 32 years old. ROR is 34years old. These are absolutely awful targets for our team. We're barely in the playoffs and definitely not a Cup contender. We should be looking for players that fit a future timeline.

No way Thomas or Johnston are moving for that package but I'd be interested in Hayton. He's 24 so he is in the right age demographic to grow with the team. He's got decent speed which I think should be a target of this team. I would also like a Macelli add but I'm also comfortable with the status quo. The team is playing good right now. I wouldn't be upset if we did nothing at the TDL. Go with what we have, evaluate and then make a more informed decision in the summer.