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Here’s my spreadsheet for upcoming UFAs, each team’s cap situation, and a trade tracker. I update the spreadsheet daily. I use CapFriendly to create this list and AFP Analytics for the contract projections.

Edit: Spreadsheet has been updated with AFP's latest projections and I added a new section for RFAs.

Spoiler: UFAs By Position

Top-6 Forwards
Sam Reinhart	RW	28	8y/10.25m
Jake Guentzel	W	29	6y/7.94m
Steven Stamkos	LW/C	34	3y/6.30m
Jonathan Marchessault	W	33	3y/6.25m
Joe Pavelski	RW	39	1y/3.94m
Matt Duchene	RW/C	33	3y/6.46m
Sean Monahan	FW	29	3y/2.87m
Tyler Toffoli	W	32	5y/6.53m
Jonathan Drouin	W	29	4y/4.46m
Teuvo Teravainen	W	29	5y/6.13m
Vladimir Tarasenko	RW	32	3y/5.64m
Adam Henrique	LW/C	34	2y/4.60m
Chandler Stephenson	C/LW	30	5y/5.77m
Max Domi	C/RW	29	3y/4.17m
Patrick Kane	RW	35	2y/5.51m
Elias Lindholm	C/RW	29	7y/8.04m
Anthony Mantha	W	29	3y/4.40m
Daniel Sprong	W	27	3y/3.89m
Jake DeBrusk	W	27	5y/5.92m
David Perron	W	36	2y/2.80m
Tyler Bertuzzi	W	29	5y/6.00m
Anthony Duclair	W	28	3y/3.22m
Jason Zucker	W	32	3y/5.46m
Jack Roslovic	C/RW	27	3y/3.11m
Max Pacioretty	LW	35
Alexander Barabanov	W	30	3y/3.03m

Top-4 Defecemen
Shayne Gostisbehere	LD/RD	31	3y/4.38m
Brady Skjei	LD	30	6y/7.39m
Noah Hanifin	LD	27	7y/7.69m
Brandon Montour	RD	30	7y/8.71m
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	LD	32	3y/3.67m
Dylan DeMelo	RD	31	4y/5.07m
Sean Walker	LD/RD	29	4y/4.87m
Matt Roy	RD	29	4y/5.58m
TJ Brodie	LD/RD	34	3y/4.91m
Brenden Dillon	LD	33	2y/3.91m
Alexandre Carrier	RD	27	3y/3.57m
Nikita Zadorov	LD/RD	29	4y/5.10m
Chris Tanev	RD	34	3y/4.68m
Brett Pesce	RD	29	6y/6.72m
Matt Grzelcyk	LD	30	3y/4.07m
Oliver Kylington	LD/RD	27

Bottom-6 Forwards
James van Riemsdyk	W	35	1y/1.50m
Warren Foegele	W	28	4y/3.58m
Stefan Noesen	W	31	2y/3.23m
Danton Heinen	W	28
Tyler Johnson	FW	33
Alexander Wennberg	C	29	4y/4.21m
Jordan Martinook	W	31	2y/2.79m
Dakota Joshua	LW	28	3y/3.00m
Michael Amadio	W	28
Teddy Blueger	C/LW	29	2y/2.56m
Sam Lafferty	FW	29	2y/1.72m
Kiefer Sherwood	W	29
Mike Hoffman	LW	34	1y/1.86m
Tomas Tatar	W	33	1y/2.21m
Kyle Okposo	RW	36	1y/1.96m
Kasperi Kapanen	RW	27
Andrew Cogliano	LW	37
Jakob Silfverberg	W	33	2y/2.78m
Cal Clutterbuck	RW	36
Corey Perry	RW	39
Patrick Maroon	W	36
Yakov Trenin	LW/C	27	3y/3.33m
Dominik Kubalik	W	28	2y/1.34m
Anthony Beauvillier	W	27
Sam Carrick	C/RW	32
Tanner Pearson	LW	31
Zemgus Girgensons	LW/C	30	2y/1.74m
Colin Blackwell	C/RW	31
Brandon Duhaime	W	27
Nick Cousins	LW/C	30
Connor Brown	W	30
Joel Kiviranta	W	28
William Carrier	LW	29	3y/2.68m
Tyler Motte	W	29	3y/2.55m
Samuel Blais	W	28	1y/0.94m
Tyson Jost	C	26

Bottom-Pairing Defencemen
Erik Gustafsson	LD	32	3y/4.99m
Tyler Myers	RD	34	2y/2.67m
Justin Schultz	RD	33	2y/3.81m
Kevin Shattenkirk	RD	35	1y/1.37m
Jalen Chatfield	RD	28	3y/2.77m
Mike Reilly	LD	30	1y/1.24m
Dmitry Kulikov	LD/RD	33
Alec Martinez	LD	36	1y/1.7m
Tyson Barrie	RD	32	2y/3.72m
Jani Hakanpaa	RD	32	2y/2.38m
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Ian Cole	LD/RD	35	2y/3.09m
Matt Dumba	RD	29	3y/3.73m
Colin Miller	RD	31
Mark Giordano	LD	40	1y/3.11m
Marco Scandella	LD	34
Calvin De Haan	LD/RD	33
Josh Brown	RD	30
Ilya Lyubushkin	RD	30	1y/1.31m
Joel Edmundson	LD/RD	31
Troy Stecher	RD	30
Derek Forbort	LD	32
Erik Johnson	RD	36	1y/1.13m

Forward Depth
Christian Fischer	W	27
Craig Smith	RW	34
Victor Olofsson	W	28
Trevor Lewis	RW/C	37
Justin Bailey	RW	29
Kevin Stenlund	C/RW	27
Jeff Carter	RW/C	39
Ryan Carpenter	RW/C	33
Nicolas Aube-Kubel	RW	28	2y/1.53m
AJ Greer	W	27
Liam O'Brien	W	29
Chris Tierney	C	30
Mattias Janmark	W	31
Sam Gagner	RW/C	34
Brendan Smith	LD/RD	35
Eric Robinson	LW	29
Zach Parise	LW	39
Kevin Labanc	W	28	2y/1.94m
Fredrik Olofsson	C/LW	28
Alex Barre-Boulet	W	27
Matt Martin	W	35
Radim Zohorna	W	28
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare	C/LW	39
Tyler Pitlick	RW	32
Austin Watson	W	32
Tomas Nosek	LW/C	31
Jansen Harkins	LW	27
Rourke Chartier	C	28
Steven Lorentz	FW	28

Defensive Depth
Jack Johnson	LD	37
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Anthony Deangelo	RD	28	2y/1.80m
Jarred Tinordi	LD	32
Sebastian Aho	LD	28
Dakota Mermis	LD/RD	30
Jacob MacDonald	LD/RD	31
Dennis Gilbert	LD	27
Nikita Zaitsev	RD	32
Nick DeSimone	RD	29
Travis Dermott	LD/RD	27
Caleb Jones	LD/RD	27
Chad Ruhwedel	RD	34
William Lageson	LD/RD	28

Goaltenders
Cam Talbot	G	36	1y/1.89m
Ilya Samsonov	G	27	2y/3.26m
Alex Nedeljkovic	G	28	2y/2.00m
Kaapo Kahkonen	G	27	2y/2.93m
Scott Wedgewood	G	31	2y/1.57m
Casey DeSmith	G	32	1y/2.02m
Anthony Stolarz	G	30	2y/1.91m
James Reimar	G	36
Antti Raanta	G	35	1y/1.31m
David Rittich	G	31
Kevin Lankinen	G	29	1y/1.58m
Laurent Brossoit	G	31	2y/1.95m
Calvin Pickard	G	32
Martin Jones	G	34

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[Bourne Endeavor]

Drance and Dhaliwal on the Canucks off-season priorities and plans.

-Wednesday morning Allvin, Rutherford, and Tocchet held a high-level meeting to discuss the off-season
-amateur scouts are meeting this week
-pro scout meetings begin next week
-off-season goals:

• dynamic scoring punch at the top of the lineup
• reconstruct the defence corps
• maintain some of the size advantage

-are aware they need to add more skill and creativity to the forward group
-will be aggressive in adding a top-6 forward who can contribute to generating shots and goals
-will move aggressively in free agency to replace those who leave
-want Bains, Podkolzin, and others in the AHL to step into full-time roles


Hronek:
-all indications is that Hronek's preference is to stay and meet somewhere in the middle
-little progress in talks between Allan Walsh and Canucks' management; haven't been negotiations in months
-if the Canucks thought he was worth 8m, they would have already signed him
-no formal offers and counter-offers were exchanged
-no urgency from either side

Lindholm:
-Canucks will at least check in with Lindholm's agent to gauge whether they can keep him
-7-8m is too much for the team
-Lindholm and Joshua are the team's top priorities

Joshua:
-mention that his cap hit could be pushed north of 4m
-lots of term will help bring the cap hit down (uses Nick Paul and Pierre Engvall as examples)
-management is aware that they may have to consider "getting a bit uncomfortalbe" with term to keep the cap hits low

Zadorov:
-internal understanding that he may have priced himself out
-Milstein is looking for big term
-Canucks know what it will take to get a deal done here
-cap hit that starts with 5m and long term

Myers:
-Canucks and Myers both want to be back
-not going to sign for 2m
-multiyear deal just over 3m could be appealing to the Canucks
-belived if he gets to free agency could get over 4m with term
-internal feeling that it's important to keep at least one of their big blueliners

Blueger:
-will push hard to re-sign
-sense they need to keep him because will likely lose Lindholm

Cole:
-Cole cut his ankle in game two, required stitches, and needed a lot of extra prep to play each game afterwards; this impacted his mobility
-lots of respect
-not convinced he's a priority

Colliton:
-there's a disagreement between the Canucks Colliton and both sides have been exploring other opportunities
-last week it was reported that both sides were open to continuing the relationship but something has changed behind the scenes
-resolution, one way or another, is coming shortly

Silovs & DeSmith:
-with Silovs post-season play, Canucks will not be bringing back DeSmith
-Silovs will likely be the back-up next season

Karlsson:
-has drawn interest from top teams in Sweden (he's an RFA)
-his preference is to remain in North America
-is a favourite of Tocchet

LTIR:
-operating in LTIR is something management doesn't like doing
-not willing to part with draft picks or future assets to get rid of the contract
-if the Canucks do trade picks and prospects it will be for roster players

Can't say I'm necessarily a fan of Myers over 3M and Joshua can go wherever if he wants more than 4M. On the flipside, I'm fine giving him huge term if it's 3M.

What I really don't like is management seemingly not willing to take advantage of cap shenanigans, be it LTIR or paying to dump players. I get the feeling we're going to keep Mikheyev which will be frustrating to say the least. I just don't see the point if teams are willing to take his contract for a 2nd, we don't simply pay it.

 

[MS]

They will definitely being qualifying Karlsson. He can still sign in Sweden even if they qualify him. The issue is whether they feel he has a realistic shot at making the club. Bains will be 24 years old next season with 2 full seasons in the AHL. He's already played more AHL games than Hoglander and Podkolzin combined. If he doesn't make the team or at some point next season, there's not much hope for him as a prospect.

They've preferred to run with 8 defencemen, and it's my preference as well, but I can see them going with 14 forwards instead.

I was never a huge fan of Karlsson and kind of wrote him off after 22-23 but he really found something in the 2nd half this year in the AHL and became a much more complete player who found ways to contribute at ES while working around his skating issues. And he's an intelligent system player who doesn't hurt you at the NHL level.

He's never going to be an asset that carries much value but I can see where the team would want to keep him and where he'll get NHL games next year, and I think it would be a lousy career move for him to go back to Europe.

podkolzin has over 200 professional games now and he's shown zero improvement from his first training camp. he's just not the player the team thought they were selecting. i wouldn't be surprised if he cleared waivers at the start of next season

This is true offensively but he had a major breakthrough last year in terms of physical play and doing what's required to be a serviceable NHL 4th liner. Threw 84 hits in 79 games as a rookie, 70 in 19 games last year and they're stiff hits too.

The ship has sailed on him being anything more than a depth player but if he can continue what he did to close the season he's an NHL 4th liner and there isn't a chance in hell a young physical player like that (especially with top-10 pedigree) would clear waivers.

Can't see Lindholm coming back.

Apparently Utah might be interested in him now as well.

Too many suitors with much more cap space and the ability to offer more AAV.

So unless he takes a deep discount (unlikely), he's a goner.

Lindholm was never coming back unless Pettersson had forced a trade. It doesn't make sense on any level and the contract he gets will be a bad one for somebody.

 

[vancityluongo]

One team to keep an eye on is the Flyers. If they don't extend Konecny, there's a good chance he's traded now. They've been firmly committed to rebuilding even when they were in the playoff race.

speaking of philly...

in case you're bored after finish the other multiple lists you're working through, i'd be curious to see what's out there for players between the ages of 27 and 31 with two or more years remaining (expiring 2026 or beyond), with limited trade protection and ideally on re-tool/bubble/mediocre teams - philly, washington, nyi, pittsburgh, ottawa, st. louis, calgary, seattle, minnesota, etc.

essentially teams that would covet 22-25 year old nhl'ers vs prospects, regardless of cap hit (silovs, hronek, hoglander, maybe podkolzin, aman or karlsson being our biggest assets in that category) and would look to acquire them in exchange for "better" players (ie. konecny, scott laughton, morgan frost, michael bunting, oliver bjorkstrand, brandon saad)

i don't think any gm is stupid enough to give up a future forsling for a clendening (ie. brisebois or hirose), and i wouldn't want to part with the prospects needed to get the coveted rfa's like schneider or byfield, if we even have them. elc players are very valued, and for good reason.

but cashing in on the future value of a guy like hoglander to get a player in their prime right now with some cost control could be interesting

been browsing capfriendly so i have some sense of who is out there, but figured you're the list expert!

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

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Technically we could have a roster like this, there is still like 8.8M to spend to fill out like the D and the wing and maybe get a better3/4C.
We really need to figure out how to get rid of Tucker f***ing Poolman's stupid ass contract so we can accumulate cap to use during TDL. f***ing Benning with his BS contracts.

Guentzel isn't signing for less than 9.5-10M. He supposedly turned down a little over 9M from Pittsburgh.

We better find some incredible diamonds in the rough to fill out that third and fourth line because it's getting ripped to shreds otherwise.

 

[Nucker101]

Guentzel isn't signing for less than 9.5-10M. He supposedly turned down a little over 9M from Pittsburgh.

We better find some incredible diamonds in the rough to fill out that third and fourth line because it's getting ripped to shreds otherwise.

Also, give me Garland over Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi isn't good unless he's paired with better linemates. Not a fan of 5.5M for a winger who can't be trusted defensively and needs a star linemate to succeed.


He's also not even that physical, he gets into scrums and his appearance/name makes people think he's a hitter when he really isn't.

I think you get more 5v5 offense out of Garland driving 3rd line offense with a Suter riding shotgun in the top 6 than you do with Bertuzzi in the top 6 riding shotgun and Suter or another Suter type being asked to be a driver on the 3rd line.

 

[sting101]

Also, give me Garland over Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi isn't good unless he's paired with better linemates. Not a fan of 5.5M for a winger who can't be trusted defensively and needs a star linemate to succeed.


He's also not even that physical, he gets into scrums and his appearance/name makes people think he's a hitter when he really isn't.

I think you get more 5v5 offense out of Garland driving 3rd line offense with a Suter riding shotgun in the top 6 than you do with Bertuzzi in the top 6 riding shotgun and Suter or another Suter type being asked to be a driver on the 3rd line.

Bertuzzi is a wreck physicaly. Too many hard miles guy might as well be 33. Huge red flags for anyone who signs him to term. And yes what you said

 

[Bonham]

What's the latest on Sam Reinhart?

I recall a bit of speculation before he was traded to the Panthers that he wanted a trade to the West Coast to be closer to home. Obviously feelings can change once you are traded from the dumpster fire in Buffalo to one of the best teams in the league while living in Miami.

Would definitely take some maneuvering to fit his cap hit (seems unlikely).

Haven't heard a lot of buzz about his contract.

 

[credulous]

What's the latest on Sam Reinhart?

I recall a bit of speculation before he was traded to the Panthers that he wanted a trade to the West Coast to be closer to home. Obviously feelings can change once you are traded from the dumpster fire in Buffalo to one of the best teams in the league while living in Miami.

Would definitely take some maneuvering to fit his cap hit (seems unlikely).

Haven't heard a lot of buzz about his contract.

he's 100% going to resign in florida

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Also, give me Garland over Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi isn't good unless he's paired with better linemates. Not a fan of 5.5M for a winger who can't be trusted defensively and needs a star linemate to succeed.


He's also not even that physical, he gets into scrums and his appearance/name makes people think he's a hitter when he really isn't.

I think you get more 5v5 offense out of Garland driving 3rd line offense with a Suter riding shotgun in the top 6 than you do with Bertuzzi in the top 6 riding shotgun and Suter or another Suter type being asked to be a driver on the 3rd line.

Agreed on Garland. I just see absolutely zero reason to trade him. Even though he isn't play in the top six, he can basically carry an effective third line on his own with at least some mild support. We're not getting someone nearly that good with his cap hit.

I do like Bertuzzi, if only because he seems to love camping the goal line for greasy goals which is something we do need. He isn't physical though, and struggled mightily with the Leafs during the first half.

Bertuzzi is a wreck physicaly. Too many hard miles guy might as well be 33. Huge red flags for anyone who signs him to term. And yes what you said

Bertuzzi is only 29

 

[arttk]

Guentzel isn't signing for less than 9.5-10M. He supposedly turned down a little over 9M from Pittsburgh.

We better find some incredible diamonds in the rough to fill out that third and fourth line because it's getting ripped to shreds otherwise.

then pay him 9.5M and then we do what we did last season and use that 7.8M on low cost bets.

Agreed on Garland. I just see absolutely zero reason to trade him. Even though he isn't play in the top six, he can basically carry an effective third line on his own with at least some mild support. We're not getting someone nearly that good with his cap hit.

you trade him if we can improve the team.

 

[Peen]

my thought is that the team should move off of one of garland/hoglander this summer. offer dependent, obviously.

 

[thecupismine]

I'm very curious if there's a way to flip Hoglander this off-season for a comparable 4/5 dman, similar to what Durzi went for last year (not expecting the return to break out in the same way, but that's the kind of guy you'd target).

The issue I have with him is his overall awareness is quite weak, which makes him a poor fit for Petey's style of play (need high offensive IQ) and doesn't allow him to play with Miller/Boesser (need high defensive IQ).

His strengths & weaknesses are ideal for an offensive spark on a third line, but fitting two 5'8 guys in Hoglander and Garland together doesn't sound like an ideal situation either.

 

[Bankerguy]

I wonder if it might make sense for Van to go out and try to sign a Hronek replacement and then move Hronek for some cap friendly help up front.
Montour would put up 50 - 60 points playing with Hughes. can play 20-25 mins a night like Hronek.

 

[sting101]

Lindholm was never coming back unless Pettersson had forced a trade. It doesn't make sense on any level and the contract he gets will be a bad one for somebody.

Curious who you think they would be targeting this off season if this was the case. They have to add a top6 player if they are serious about keeping the window open and we blew most of our assets to bring in Lindholm which makes free agency pretty much the only avenue without burning any chance at cheap ELCs that could play higher in the roster with Lekkerimaki and Willander.

I'm not thrilled about the contract that Lindholm will want but without getting a big fish how do we run it back....Suter Hoglander Bains are fillers not core pieces and we still have to find a 3C if he doesn't come back too. Blueger is not that guy.

 

[ManVanFan]

I don't think Podkolzin has much trade value.

Hoglander does though.

Nuchushkin was 26 years old before he figured out the NHL. Played 340 games before becoming what he is now. Podz only 137 games and 22 years old. I'd give it some time.

 

[DFAC]

I think everyone is underestimating how much teams spend in free agency.

I fully expect both Reinhart and Guentzel to come in at 10m+/yr with term

Canucks will have to go bargain bin hunting again

 

[ManVanFan]

What's the latest on Sam Reinhart?

I recall a bit of speculation before he was traded to the Panthers that he wanted a trade to the West Coast to be closer to home. Obviously feelings can change once you are traded from the dumpster fire in Buffalo to one of the best teams in the league while living in Miami.

Would definitely take some maneuvering to fit his cap hit (seems unlikely).

Haven't heard a lot of buzz about his contract.

Benning really wanted him in 2014 but couldn't make it happen.

Also, give me Garland over Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi isn't good unless he's paired with better linemates. Not a fan of 5.5M for a winger who can't be trusted defensively and needs a star linemate to succeed.


He's also not even that physical, he gets into scrums and his appearance/name makes people think he's a hitter when he really isn't.

I think you get more 5v5 offense out of Garland driving 3rd line offense with a Suter riding shotgun in the top 6 than you do with Bertuzzi in the top 6 riding shotgun and Suter or another Suter type being asked to be a driver on the 3rd line.

Max Jones or Brett Leason on cheap contracts to turn into another Joshua. That Anaheim team really sucked. haha

 

[MS]

Curious who you think they would be targeting this off season if this was the case. They have to add a top6 player if they are serious about keeping the window open and we blew most of our assets to bring in Lindholm which makes free agency pretty much the only avenue without burning any chance at cheap ELCs that could play higher in the roster with Lekkerimaki and Willander.

I'm not thrilled about the contract that Lindholm will want but without getting a big fish how do we run it back....Suter Hoglander Bains are fillers not core pieces and we still have to find a 3C if he doesn't come back too. Blueger is not that guy.

I need to do a deeper dive on potential acquisitions but on Lindholm :

a) we don't have $7 or $8 million to sign Lindholm
b) his contract starts at age 30 and will be 6-7 years and will be an absolute donkey
c) his play for the last two years outside of this playoffs has been mostly poor
d) we need top-6 wingers more than we need a top-6 C or a luxury 3C

Lindholm just doesn't make sense. I know he's a good player and he was good in the playoffs but you're going to have to sacrifice so much elsewhere for a boutique 3C that I can't understand how it would even be a consideration.

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One name I'd have a lot of interest in would be Morgan Frost in Philly. Signed for $2.1 million next year, doesn't work with Torts and was a healthy scratch at times. Has played mostly at C and is kind of a bad defensive C but good ES producer ... would his D play better on wing next to Pettersson? Definitely has more talent than any winger we have aside from Boeser.

Would a Frost-Hoglander sort of trade work where we get a 2nd or something back as well?

 

[sting101]

I wonder if it might make sense for Van to go out and try to sign a Hronek replacement and then move Hronek for some cap friendly help up front.
Montour would put up 50 - 60 points playing with Hughes. can play 20-25 mins a night like Hronek.

Montour will cost more than Hronek and will be a way worse contract in term

I'm very curious if there's a way to flip Hoglander this off-season for a comparable 4/5 dman, similar to what Durzi went for last year (not expecting the return to break out in the same way, but that's the kind of guy you'd target).

The issue I have with him is his overall awareness is quite weak, which makes him a poor fit for Petey's style of play (need high offensive IQ) and doesn't allow him to play with Miller/Boesser (need high defensive IQ).

His strengths & weaknesses are ideal for an offensive spark on a third line, but fitting two 5'8 guys in Hoglander and Garland together doesn't sound like an ideal situation either.

Man i wanted Durzi....that would have been a Montour level steal for just a 2nd. Hronek is a better player but give it a couple years and i bet we see it differently. Guy just has the confidence you want for pressure/playoff games.

To your idea i've thought about Boqvist in Columbus. They have Mateychuk coming and Jiricek plus Severson signed long term with Werenski. I think they move him and he's got some intriguing upside along the lines of Hronek. A Hoglander for Boqvist trade could free us up to move Hronek if they cant find common ground in contract

 

[MS]

Montour will cost more than Hronek and will be a way worse contract in term

Man i wanted Durzi....that would have been a Montour level steal for just a 2nd. Hronek is a better player but give it a couple years and i bet we see it differently. Guy just has the confidence you want for pressure/playoff games.

To your idea i've thought about Boqvist in Columbus. They have Mateychuk coming and Jiricek plus Severson signed long term with Werenski. I think they move him and he's got some intriguing upside along the lines of Hronek. A Hoglander for Boqvist trade could free us up to move Hronek if they cant find common ground in contract

As someone who absolutely loved Durzi going right back to his draft year I see absolutely nothing in Boquist (or Jake Bean, for that matter).

 

[sting101]

I need to do a deeper dive on potential acquisitions but on Lindholm :

a) we don't have $7 or $8 million to sign Lindholm
b) his contract starts at age 30 and will be 6-7 years and will be an absolute donkey
c) his play for the last two years outside of this playoffs has been mostly poor
d) we need top-6 wingers more than we need a top-6 C or a luxury 3C

Lindholm just doesn't make sense. I know he's a good player and he was good in the playoffs but you're going to have to sacrifice so much elsewhere for a boutique 3C that I can't understand how it would even be a consideration.

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One name I'd have a lot of interest in would be Morgan Frost in Philly. Signed for $2.1 million next year, doesn't work with Torts and was a healthy scratch at times. Has played mostly at C and is kind of a bad defensive C but good ES producer ... would his D play better on wing next to Pettersson? Definitely has more talent than any winger we have aside from Boeser.

Would a Frost-Hoglander sort of trade work where we get a 2nd or something back as well?

yes it's gonna be a ugly back half no matter who signs him. It boggles my mind that the Flames reportedly offered 9 x 8 given how poorly they have already done with results and legacy deals. But if Lindholm turned that down (72m) it does make you wonder what his number looks like now even with some struggles he showed that he's a Selke level C for the next 2-3 seasons anyway.
I guess it depends how much they are willing to sacrifice later for success in the next 3-4 seasons while Miller has gas. Almost all the options are gonna be the same though....Reinhart i think re signs in Florida Guentzel will be like 9-10m x 7/8 it's gonna be ugly.

Frost for Hoglander i would do without a sweetener. He's a really good target actually

 

[Jovofan]

Could Teuvo Teravainen be a top 6 option? Carolina is in cap hell and he could be one that slips through the cracks.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Forward Rankings:

1. Miller
2. Boeser
3. Garland

4. Lindholm

5. Joshua
6. Pettersson
7. Suter
8. Hoglander
9. Blueger

10. Di Giuseppe
11. Aman
12. Podkolzin
13. Lafferty
14. Mikheyev

Top 3 are untouchable imo. We should build around our top 4 forwards.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

then pay him 9.5M and then we do what we did last season and use that 7.8M on low cost bets.


you trade him if we can improve the team.

Low cost bets are fine... if they don't comprise your entire bottom six. Icing mostly kids and journeymen looking to revive their careers is a great way to end up with no depth whatsoever which was our main strength this year.

We wouldn't be improving the team by trading him. I'd much prefer Garland over Bertuzzi if given the choice.

 

[sting101]

As someone who absolutely loved Durzi going right back to his draft year I see absolutely nothing in Boquist (or Jake Bean, for that matter).

My interest in Bean would be as a 800k-1m 4LD reclamation nothing more. He's a poor defender and nothing really pops except for a good IQ and transition game. Think he could be good serviceable depth as Columbus likely wont qualify him and he's from out west.

Boqvist for us doesn't make sense because he's 2.6m and probably 2-3yrs away from rounding his game to where you could trust to play 20min a night. And that's an IF not a certainty.

In previous years i would have loved to give it a chance but were not in a position to babysit 23/24 yr olds on the blueline that haven't figured out how to defend