Post-Game Talk: Canucks Kick Oilers Ass - Man I Love this Team! Hughes x2 Heinen x1

[me2]

LMFAO

How was McDerpid protecting himself? He's not getting hurting from a little interference hug. He's the one that initiated contact, lay on Garland, punched Garland in the back and the cross-check him.

 

[MS]

Glass half empty take:

Did I watch a different game than everybody else?

Canucks had a hot start and dominated the 1st while getting some favourable officiating throughout, and Hughes carried the team on his back again.

We dominated the 1st, yes. Disagree that the reffing was particularly favourable.

They nearly blew another 3 goal lead against a team at the end of a road trip.

Sort of, although I didn't really think that they played that badly and the Edmonton goals were basically Draisaitl bad-angle jobs.

We then basically gave them zilch in the 3rd period and closed the game out in textbook fashion. They had 15 shots in the game.

Garland looked like a clown on that play and got away with blatant interference. Not something that should be celebrated as it isn't anything close to resembling hockey.

Hugely disagree. McDavid instigated the contact and Garland just made a smart play with 8 seconds left in the game and no consequence for taking a penalty.

McDavid needs to be punished for his temper tantrum, too. There is no place for violent retaliation in hockey either.

Miller had a couple PP assists and was mostly invisible 5on5. Hope he gets moved out asap.

Miller ate McDavid for lunch 5-on-5 in a head-to-head matchup. Absolutely dominated in the faceoff dot. Picked up two points. He was the best player on the ice last night.

 

[VanJack]

I see the Oilers media and fans are excoriating Garland and the referees for the entire sequence that lead McDavid to cross-checking Garland in the ear. They whine that the zebras should never have let the scrum continue, and if they'd called a penalty like they should, McJesus wouldn't be facing a disciplinary hearing.

Yep....the Oilers-Canucks playoff rivalry of a year ago is back!......should be a fun one, when they meet again in a week.

 

[supercanuck]

I take back what I said about liking McDavid if he were on another team. That guy is just plain unlikable. A true Oiler.

 

[theguardianII]

Once again, McDavid initiated the whole thing. He was the one who bump into Garland first. If not for that, he would not put himself in the position to be tangled up. My theory is he's expecting that to happen so he can con the refs out of a penalty. But all that aside, you don't cross check a guy in the face when he's not looking.

If this is your stance, then I'm fully expecting you to call out every play of this type from every game. If not, there's no consistency and no standards.

EDIT: And if NHL decided to give 1 game to Myers and none for McDavid, I wouldn't even be overly upset. But if that is the precedent NHL wants to set, then they shouldn't be surprised that at some point, some crazy player will police the game and someone will get seriously injured.

What McD did was not a penalty, reverse hits happen every game, Pettersson does 3 or 4 a night.
What Garland did when contacted was a penalty, holding or interference, not letting him up, again interference or even unsportsmanlike like penalties.

Yes, he might have been fishing for a penalty and Garland obliged but what McD did was within the rules, he had the puck. How many times have you seen a penalty called when a player takes the puck to the net? Slashing, hooking, holding but rarely tackling and wrestling.
By the rules the player with the puck is allowed to power past another trying to stop him. And at that if McD pushed it past him and then Garland did all that, he is still possibly getting an interference if all he did was hold him up a second you see that all the time, dmen can't hold up a checker even if he just pushed the puck past him.

My stance? They need to do away with the instigator. Teams can't trust the ref's to blow a play down promptly. Refs can have bad days. I do believe a stick is used for playing the puck, not teeth. I believe in sportsmanship. I believe if someone goes to a game to see the best players play that some grunt is allowed to just leap on their back until they take a penalty. I believe in fair play. That players have emotions and are treated and thought of as chattel or serfs and that is wrong. AND I don't like game management. Refs are instructed by the NHL, work for the NHL and have no independence. The NHL dictates to the refs, if they don't obey they are sanctioned.

Every single thing that happen that you champion, reverse it and see if that is okay the other way.

The old "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out" is not needed but whats your take when this happens to Hughes, Pettersson or Hronek next time? Is that going to be okay? Because that is what you are championing right now.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". "If it's Good for the goose, then it's good for the gander".

All the drama for nothing, nothing. They are still out of the playoffs. They have still a lousy record of 3 wins in 11 games.

Do you support what Myers did? Because that was much worse.

 

[theguardianII]

This is one of the reasons the nhl will never punish a player severely. In the event a top player does something they would have to go with the precedence set by other situations.
If they gave Myers 6 games they’d have to match that with McDavid which they wouldn’t want to do. So they keep these pretty low.

Myers won't get much more than McDavid if at all but there is a difference between the two.

McD was the result of uncalled penalties against Garland at a critical time of the game. Provoked and Garland was already contesting with McDavid.

Myers was the same as standing for a face off and just cross checking in the face, unexpected, unprovoked and more dangerous because the other player was totally not expecting any confrontation at all.

This is a guess but i think Myers will get one more game than McDavid.
Because of the time of the penalties that game counts as one, I think.

Myers does not have a record I don't think, so that will go towards his sentence but if Bouchard lost teeth or is injured in anyway. He went straight to the dressing room but didn't look to bad, but we don't know yet. All of that might be part of the NHL inquiry so kept quiet until the rulings.

Myers will be missing so who takes his place in the top 4? Deharnais, Brisebois, Forbort, which then goes to who fills in below? The team will be icing two AHL players in the bottom.

 

[me2]

What McD did was not a penalty, reverse hits happen every game, Pettersson does 3 or 4 a night.
What Garland when contacted was a penalty, holding or interference, not letting him up, again interference or even unsportsmanlike like penalties.

I agree there is nothing illegal about the reverse hit. It got McDavid tangled up on the ground though. You hardly every see a penalty called for two tangled players taking a few seconds to disengage, doesn't matter if over is making it a bit harder for the other. If you are going to call that you might as well argue McDavid should have been called for roughing when he got Garland while while getting up. Offsetting penalties then. If McDavid hasn't punched him in back while getting up maybe he doesn't get grabbed.

 

[theguardianII]

I agree there is nothing illegal about the reverse hit. It got McDavid tangled up on the ground though. You hardly every see a penalty called for two tangled players taking a few seconds to disengage, doesn't matter if over is making it a bit harder for the other. If you are going to call that you might as well argue McDavid should have been called for roughing when he got Garland while while getting up. Offsetting penalties then. If McDavid hasn't punched him in back while getting up maybe he doesn't get grabbed.

But you almost always see a penalty when both arms are wrapped around a player. Watch the sequence again, not just the edited versions, the whole 10 minutes around the end of the game.

McD leans into Garland, Garland grabs his left arm and leverages it into an arm bar and pulls him down, then hangs onto it, as McD rolls over to get up, Garland clamps both legs around McD's and holds on, McD pushes, fights his way clear and then Garland grabs him in a bear hug around the hips and drags him down, Garlands then gets up, grabs McD's head trying to pull his helmet off and holds him bent over then lays on him.this sequence is in the middle of the ice and takes 12+ seconds. Remember player have been suspended for being .5 seconds late in a hit so this is very significant. Once freed Garland laughs at him and beaks off.

Why would McD punch him? He learned in junior not to do that when he hurt or broke his hand.
Also the whistle still had not been blown yet.

The whole sequence, regardless of the details, are you content when this happens to Hughes in the future?

Garland is trying to be what Tocchet wants, an agitator but he is building up quite a resume and bar tab that is going to have to be paid by his team mates.

Checks will be finished like Sherwood checks on Hughes, Hronek and Pettersson, late without the puck and not penalized. Can you imagine Dras hitting Hughes now. Or Perry dancing with Hronek and Brown bouncing Pettersson. They get last call next game. There is no one to deter them. Garland has started something he will let others deal with.

 

[Diogenes92]

We dominated the 1st, yes. Disagree that the reffing was particularly favourable.

From what I watched, Canucks got away with a lot last night. Not always the case, but I think that McDavid and Drai are always played against and checked way closer than other players, so it has become a bit normal for the refs to let the hooks and holds go on them.

Sort of, although I didn't really think that they played that badly and the Edmonton goals were basically Draisaitl bad-angle jobs. We then basically gave them zilch in the 3rd period and closed the game out in textbook fashion. They had 15 shots in the game.

They didnt generate any sustained pressure in the 2nd and 3rd. They went full turtle mode and won on special teams which is the most this team can hope for. Not a winning strategy come playoff time. Especially when Demko is not in form.

Hugely disagree. McDavid instigated the contact and Garland just made a smart play with 8 seconds left in the game and no consequence for taking a penalty.

Garland latches onto him with his ass in the air like there was an earthquake drill happening. And then they got up and Garland was flopping around while hugging him. Ferraro clearly stated that Garland got away with a bunch of penalties chained together.

Again. Cross check to the face was bush league by McD.

I expect it from Myers.

Miller ate McDavid for lunch 5-on-5 in a head-to-head matchup. Absolutely dominated in the faceoff dot. Picked up two points. He was the best player on the ice last night.

He needs to score 5on5 too. Hes not paid to be a shutdown centre. And maybe if he put in similar efforts on a nightly basis he wouldnt be getting jettisoned. Not only when McD comes to town.

Not the best player (Hughes with 2 goals plus GWG) while playing injured would be my choice)

 

[canuckslover10]

Even if they called a penalty on Garland there, it would have made no difference since the Canucks didn't even touch the puck or have possession. So McDavid is completely at fault.

 

[valkynax]

What McD did was not a penalty, reverse hits happen every game, Pettersson does 3 or 4 a night.
What Garland did when contacted was a penalty, holding or interference, not letting him up, again interference or even unsportsmanlike like penalties.

Yes, he might have been fishing for a penalty and Garland obliged but what McD did was within the rules, he had the puck. How many times have you seen a penalty called when a player takes the puck to the net? Slashing, hooking, holding but rarely tackling and wrestling.
By the rules the player with the puck is allowed to power past another trying to stop him. And at that if McD pushed it past him and then Garland did all that, he is still possibly getting an interference if all he did was hold him up a second you see that all the time, dmen can't hold up a checker even if he just pushed the puck past him.

My stance? They need to do away with the instigator. Teams can't trust the ref's to blow a play down promptly. Refs can have bad days. I do believe a stick is used for playing the puck, not teeth. I believe in sportsmanship. I believe if someone goes to a game to see the best players play that some grunt is allowed to just leap on their back until they take a penalty. I believe in fair play. That players have emotions and are treated and thought of as chattel or serfs and that is wrong. AND I don't like game management. Refs are instructed by the NHL, work for the NHL and have no independence. The NHL dictates to the refs, if they don't obey they are sanctioned.

Every single thing that happen that you champion, reverse it and see if that is okay the other way.

The old "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out" is not needed but whats your take when this happens to Hughes, Pettersson or Hronek next time? Is that going to be okay? Because that is what you are championing right now.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". "If it's Good for the goose, then it's good for the gander".

All the drama for nothing, nothing. They are still out of the playoffs. They have still a lousy record of 3 wins in 11 games.

Do you support what Myers did? Because that was much worse.

Where did I ever say I support what Myers did? And I made it abundantly clear that if Myers gets a game and McDavid doesn't, I won't even really be upset. I am not championing for players to get hurt, it is the league that's doing so.

And people know that the team is still shit, one win means f*** all. Some say they hope this game will be a rallying point. I don't know if it will be, but why are the fans not allowed to celebrate a win especially against a team that they really want to beat, even if it's just one game? The league made it clear that victory at all costs is the acceptable norm.

And that there is the key word: the league set up the culture to be this way. Teams are to be as cut throat as possible. Any moves, no matter how vile or despicable, are instantly forgiven when victory is achieved. If someone from Oilers delivers a Scott Stevens on Hughes and win the cup, no one will dare say a word about it.

 

[ExarKun80]

But you almost always see a penalty when both arms are wrapped around a player. Watch the sequence again, not just the edited versions, the whole 10 minutes around the end of the game.

McD leans into Garland, Garland grabs his left arm and leverages it into an arm bar and pulls him down, then hangs onto it, as McD rolls over to get up, Garland clamps both legs around McD's and holds on, McD pushes, fights his way clear and then Garland grabs him in a bear hug around the hips and drags him down, Garlands then gets up, grabs McD's head trying to pull his helmet off and holds him bent over then lays on him.this sequence is in the middle of the ice and takes 12+ seconds. Remember player have been suspended for being .5 seconds late in a hit so this is very significant. Once freed Garland laughs at him and beaks off.

Why would McD punch him? He learned in junior not to do that when he hurt or broke his hand.
Also the whistle still had not been blown yet.

The whole sequence, regardless of the details, are you content when this happens to Hughes in the future?

Garland is trying to be what Tocchet wants, an agitator but he is building up quite a resume and bar tab that is going to have to be paid by his team mates.

Checks will be finished like Sherwood checks on Hughes, Hronek and Pettersson, late without the puck and not penalized. Can you imagine Dras hitting Hughes now. Or Perry dancing with Hronek and Brown bouncing Pettersson. They get last call next game. There is no one to deter them. Garland has started something he will let others deal with.

Garland is a very good agitator. If he was on the other teams and did this to Petey we would have his guts.

 

[andora]

Even if they called a penalty on Garland there, it would have made no difference since the Canucks didn't even touch the puck or have possession. So McDavid is completely at fault.

I was just going to reply to Socrates with this exact fact, the arm goes up or not doesn't matter

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

LMFAO

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

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[me2]

But you almost always see a penalty when both arms are wrapped around a player. Watch the sequence again, not just the edited versions, the whole 10 minutes around the end of the game.

Ultimately irreverent as Edmonton retaining possession means play on. Play only stops when McDavid crosschecks garland.

Garland has started something he will let others deal with.

Hugging a player for interference is starting something. This is the most deranged thing I've heard on this hfboards and there is no shortage of deranged things to choose from. What is Edmonton going to retaliate with, a holdint penalty?

 

[StreetHawk]

Even if they called a penalty on Garland there, it would have made no difference since the Canucks didn't even touch the puck or have possession. So McDavid is completely at fault.

That would have fallen to the Oilers to give up the puck once they see the hand raised by the official. If you see the delayed call, you have to let the Canucks play it. Maybe, that is say 12 seconds or so left. Would need to win the next draw for a 6 on 4.

NHL wheel of justice, I see them handing McDavid 1 game. Going to aim to make it as low as possible. But, you just never know on these calls by DOPS. I would not be shocked to see Myers get 1 extra game since his was not heat of the moment. But, Bouchard needs to learn how to defend himself as a 6'3 192 lb Dman. At that size, you are expected to take care of yourself so long as you are not up against a Reeves or someone like that. Get a stick in the face by Myers and was chocked out by Ekblad in the playoffs, tapping out.

 

[me2]

NHL wheel of justice, I see them handing McDavid 1 game. Going to aim to make it as low as possible. But, you just never know on these calls by DOPS. I would not be shocked to see Myers get 1 extra game since his was not heat of the moment. But, Bouchard needs to learn how to defend himself as a 6'3 192 lb Dman. At that size, you are expected to take care of yourself so long as you are not up against a Reeves or someone like that. Get a stick in the face by Myers and was chocked out by Ekblad in the playoffs, tapping out.

I think Bouchard just wanted to do the fake tough guy shirt grab and hold players feel obliged to do at times like this.Myers just reacted, no premeditation, he was just standing not interested in anything.

McDavid on the other hand was streamed and lost control. He even moved away, thought about it and then went for it.

If the league was serious they'd get 5 games but I'm expecting 2 each. Myers will probably get one more to appear Edmonton.

 

[Jyrki21]

 

[Canucks LB]

For the love of god people, PLEASE DO NOT GO TO THE OILERS BOARD AND TALK SHIT.
if you wanna do banter and crap, DO IT HERE.
Going over there and starting drama is making some people look awful, and this needs to stop right away.

I understand many of you are upset with mcdavid, oilers and other issues, but let's be respectful here please.

 

[theguardianII]

Ultimately irreverent as Edmonton retaining possession means play on. Play only stops when McDavid crosschecks garland.

But both were penalized later for the same thing at the same time. A bad job by the refs. Yes the play stopped and then Myers waxed Bouchard into the boards, then cross checks him in the mouth.

Hugging a player for interference is starting something. This is the most deranged thing I've heard on this hfboards and there is no shortage of deranged things to choose from. What is Edmonton going to retaliate with, a holdint penalty?

If you don't have it PVR'd it is hard to rewind and zoom in to see what else is going on. Garland tried twice to pull McDavid's helmet off and then beaked at him after. He called Dras a name that can't be posted, a few actually.

Do you think what Myers did was okay? Or was anywhere close to the same reasons that McDavid had?

 

[Canucks LB]

If JT Miller stays, and we go on a run, that would be a pretty wild twist to the story eh lol

 

[ChilliBilly]

But you almost always see a penalty when both arms are wrapped around a player. Watch the sequence again, not just the edited versions, the whole 10 minutes around the end of the game.

McD leans into Garland, Garland grabs his left arm and leverages it into an arm bar and pulls him down, then hangs onto it, as McD rolls over to get up, Garland clamps both legs around McD's and holds on, McD pushes, fights his way clear and then Garland grabs him in a bear hug around the hips and drags him down, Garlands then gets up, grabs McD's head trying to pull his helmet off and holds him bent over then lays on him.this sequence is in the middle of the ice and takes 12+ seconds. Remember player have been suspended for being .5 seconds late in a hit so this is very significant. Once freed Garland laughs at him and beaks off.

Why would McD punch him? He learned in junior not to do that when he hurt or broke his hand.
Also the whistle still had not been blown yet.

The whole sequence, regardless of the details, are you content when this happens to Hughes in the future?

Garland is trying to be what Tocchet wants, an agitator but he is building up quite a resume and bar tab that is going to have to be paid by his team mates.

Checks will be finished like Sherwood checks on Hughes, Hronek and Pettersson, late without the puck and not penalized. Can you imagine Dras hitting Hughes now. Or Perry dancing with Hronek and Brown bouncing Pettersson. They get last call next game. There is no one to deter them. Garland has started something he will let others deal with.

Bullcrap on so many levels. Petey was tackled. Garland was tackled by McD (Ok mild exaggeration but McDavid initiated). Garland returned the favour. And McDavid punched him in the head first.

And I know you don't care but you notice you don't get a whole lot of likes.

And I think That McDavid's crosscheck was entirely unnecessary. Garland was looking away. Whereas Myers had Bouchard intimating their fracas. Yes It was a pretty bad crosscheck, but I still think McDavid's was more egregious.

 

[geebster]

Bullcrap on so many levels. Petey was tackled. Garland was tackled by McD (Ok mild exaggeration but McDavid initiated). Garland returned the favour. And McDavid punched him in the head first.

And I know you don't care but you notice you don't get a whole lot of likes.

And I think That McDavid's crosscheck was entirely unnecessary. Garland was looking away. Whereas Myers had Bouchard intimating their fracas. Yes It was a pretty bad crosscheck, but I still think McDavid's was more egregious.

Largely agree but not completely. Garland was at least an equal participant in that. McDavids is worse for me because it was to an unsuspecting player to the side/back of his head. Dont even have to pull my as a doctor card to say that that massively increases the chances of injury compared to if you see it coming.

McDavid is also earlier in the causal chain. That is, one could easily argue that Myers' crosscheck is in response to McDavid escalating. And its on the guy that initiated everything by pinning Pettersson (which is why Garland knew he probably wouldn't get called for doing the exact same thing right after). Not that Myers was justified at all, Bouchard might have been going to him but Bouchard would run to hide behind a ref if Myers actually squared up with him. If the guy is no threat to you, no reason to respond like that. Hope both get equivalent 3 ish game suspensions.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Largely agree but not completely. Garland was at least an equal participant in that. McDavids is worse for me because it was to an unsuspecting player to the side/back of his head. Dont even have to pull my as a doctor card to say that that massively increases the chances of injury compared to if you see it coming.

McDavid is also earlier in the causal chain. That is, one could easily argue that Myers' crosscheck is in response to McDavid escalating. And its on the guy that initiated everything by pinning Pettersson (which is why Garland knew he probably wouldn't get called for doing the exact same thing right after). Not that Myers was justified at all, Bouchard might have been going to him but Bouchard would run to hide behind a ref if Myers actually squared up with him. If the guy is no threat to you, no reason to respond like that. Hope both get equivalent 3 ish game suspensions.

Yeah thats better put than what I said. That said, for the reasons you mentioned, I think McD deserves 1 more game than whatever Meyers gets. I would love it if McDavid is suspended for our next game against them, and Meyers plays.