Rumor: Canucks going after Rossi?

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I don't know how "your end" would know that without anyone else knowing it

Well I don't listen to or read all news about the Wild, but chances are if it is being speculated here it is probably being speculated elsewhere, who knows. Again I hope you guys re-sign him.

 

[Vector]

The one russo released the other day saying wild will essentially Keep Rossi unless they get a player like N.Kadri from Calgary and that Wild will not do picks. They only way they will accept picks is id a deal is done for another win now C but because no team is willing to sell, Wild will not trade Rossi and make the roster worse

That is not what Russo said.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

That is not what Russo said.

go read his article. wild want a C back. No longer even winger. They don't want a pick either. even Ottawa's writer said earlier in the week, wild will not take picks.

 

[Vector]

go read his article. wild want a C back. No longer even winger. They don't want a pick either. even Ottawa's writer said earlier in the week, wild will not take picks.

I’ve edited my post. I have read the article and the podcast that came before it.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Wild should just re-sign Rossi to a 2 year/$11M deal and move on.

 

[f7ben]

Wild should just re-sign Rossi to a 2 year/$11M deal and move on.

That deal would have been done already but Rossi has zero reason to trust Hynes or Guerin to support his career. I don’t blame him

 

[Peter Griffin]

That deal would have been done already but Rossi has zero reason to trust Hynes or Guerin to support his career. I don’t blame him

Yea, the Wild have really mishandled this situation.

 

[f7ben]

Yea, the Wild have really mishandled this situation.

I like Rossi , the kid does everything he’s asked and there is zero reason to believe we’ve seen his best. I hope he’s here well past idiot Guerins tenure.

This entire postseason/offseason blowing up in Guerin and Hynes faces is really awesome though.

 

[KeeferH]

With what assets?

Raty and our first

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Raty and our first

except you're forgetting wild don't want picks or prospects for Rossi, so no

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

go read his article. wild want a C back. No longer even winger. They don't want a pick either. even Ottawa's writer said earlier in the week, wild will not take picks.

I do wonder if the offers involving a C aren't up to snuff if they just take the best deal and use those assets to aquire a C? Assuming that him staying even short-term is off the table.
Teams looking to aquire him likely lack a Centre in their system to move or theirs has more value than Rossi like a 1c for example.

Like from the nucks POV they have guys like Raty and Chytil that as of now aren't as good as Rossi but Chytil isn't really that far off so moving him and another asset is a bit of a lateral move especially if that other asset is a 1st.

Raty right now is likely a 3c strong on the dot and likely capable of being a 20-20 guy as soon as the upcoming season.

I still think Lekkerimakki a 1st and a guy like Joshua is a strong deal with at least two pieces good enough to add in another deal.
End of the day my biggest worry when giving up either Chytil or Raty, is if Rossi doesn't stick at C, we have then traded a guy who definitely is a C and in both cases have 2C upside, maybe not the offensive upside of a Rossi but Chytil has had a season where he showed he can be a 60 point guy and Raty with his improved skating and his successful stint in his last promotion, showed really well.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

I do wonder if the offers involving a C aren't up to snuff if they just take the best deal and use those assets to aquire a C? Assuming that him staying even short-term is off the table.
Teams looking to aquire him likely lack a Centre in their system to move or theirs has more value than Rossi like a 1c for example.

Like from the nucks POV they have guys like Raty and Chytil that as of now aren't as good as Rossi but Chytil isn't really that far off so moving him and another asset is a bit of a lateral move especially if that other asset is a 1st.

Raty right now is likely a 3c strong on the dot and likely capable of being a 20-20 guy as soon as the upcoming season.

I still think Lekkerimakki a 1st and a guy like Joshua is a strong deal with at least two pieces good enough to add in another deal.

Wild aren't taking the risk to accept picks of any kinds. Right now, the marker is as that No teams are looking for picks especially in this draft. Wild are prepared to just keep him if they can't get a player like Nazem Kadri. Joshua is a nothing value.

Respectfully Chytil is nothing more than A contract dump at this point with his head injury history and being one more concussion from retirement. Raty has done nothing in NHL and is nothing more than a prospect.

 

[AKL]

I do wonder if the offers involving a C aren't up to snuff if they just take the best deal and use those assets to aquire a C? Assuming that him staying even short-term is off the table.

He's already inquired about a bunch of different C's and none of them are available because teams are looking to add to their rosters, not subtract, which means the second part of the "trade Rossi for futures and flip the futures for the player they want" plan isn't there.

Far more likely if the offer isn't what they want, they work out a deal with Rossi to keep him until the deal is there. Guerin can't afford to get worse this season. It's imperative that the team is better, it's basically win the first round of playoffs or bust this year.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

He's already inquired about a bunch of different C's and none of them are available because teams are looking to add to their rosters, not subtract, which means the second part of the "trade Rossi for futures and flip the futures for the player they want" plan isn't there.

Far more likely if the offer isn't what they want, they work out a deal with Rossi to keep him until the deal is there. Guerin can't afford to get worse this season. It's imperative that the team is better, it's basically win the first round of playoffs or bust this year.

Ya that makes sense given the amount of teams looking for a 2c, which is why I think a deal involving one coming back would be difficult.

I was basing my comment of if both sides are at this point non amicable and a trade is the only course of action, other than sn offer sheet.

Just for shits and giggles, if a split is the only option, do you think Bill would take a lesser package just to get a C back?

You have to figure that taking the best offer and then maybe throw money at someone like Duchene, Tavares, or even someone like Suter?
Again basing all of this off Rossi and the wild 100% moving on.

Hopefully for wild fans the two sides can reach a deal because just like here in Vancouver with EP, moving them will always entail they are the best player moved in any deal and both aren't at peak value for different reasons but both are studs and their teams are better with them, not without.

 

[AKL]

Ya that makes sense given the amount of teams looking for a 2c, which is why I think a deal involving one coming back would be difficult.

I was basing my comment of if both sides are at this point non amicable and a trade is the only course of action, other than sn offer sheet.

Just for shits and giggles, if a split is the only option, do you think Bill would take a lesser package just to get a C back?

You have to figure that taking the best offer and then maybe throw money at someone like Duchene, Tavares, or even someone like Suter?
Again basing all of this off Rossi and the wild 100% moving on.

Hopefully for wild fans the two sides can reach a deal because just like here in Vancouver with EP, moving them will always entail they are the best player moved in any deal and both aren't at peak value for different reasons but both are studs and their teams are better with them, not without.

Not totally convinced Guerin wouldn't welcome an offer sheet, depending on the compensation, the team offering it, the terms, etc. If Rossi accepts an offer sheet lower than what he wants just to leave, Guerin could just match it if it's in his comfort zone, and then trade Rossi later. He could also just take the unprotected 2026 1st and hope it ends up a lottery pick.

But that's a risky play, because if you don't match it, now you 100% have to go out and find a center somewhere, and again, there just aren't many good ones available. At least with Rossi, you don't lose a top six center, even if he isn't Guerin's first choice.

But if it comes down to Rossi 100% moving on this summer, and Guerin hasn't found another center, I could see Guerin taking a deal like Hayton+prospect (possibly NHL ready)+pick, where Hayton is just an example, not necessarily the specific deal. But like you said, Guerin gets a center back, it's just a lesser center, and some additional assets to supplement value and possibly flip later.

Again though, that's not ideal because it makes the team worse, and there aren't many guys available to flip futures for this summer. That's quite frankly a loss for Guerin.

But Guerin has also said his primary goal is to upgrade the center position, he also said he isn't in a rush to trade Rossi, they like Rossi. So if you take a GM at face value, he's telling us he isn't going to trade Rossi unless it makes the team better, so I think it's far more likely that they reach an agreement before the season starts, rather than making a trade that makes the team worse.

So if there is a lack of interest in giving up what Guerin wants, and if there isn't an offer sheet for Rossi, Rossi may have to come to terms with a bridge deal to avoid sitting out next season. Then again, if someone like Duchene gets to free agency and Guerin signs him, all of a sudden Rossi could be back on the table for more future heavy deals, or a winger if one is available. But until Guerin gets that center, the pressure is arguably more on Guerin to move off his year/aav than it is on Rossi.

Guerin is under pretty significant pressure to ice a team that wins a playoff round this coming season. He doesn't have a lot of time now that the dead cap is gone to start winning.

 

[wetcoast]

I do wonder if the offers involving a C aren't up to snuff if they just take the best deal and use those assets to aquire a C? Assuming that him staying even short-term is off the table.
Teams looking to aquire him likely lack a Centre in their system to move or theirs has more value than Rossi like a 1c for example.

Like from the nucks POV they have guys like Raty and Chytil that as of now aren't as good as Rossi but Chytil isn't really that far off so moving him and another asset is a bit of a lateral move especially if that other asset is a 1st.

Raty right now is likely a 3c strong on the dot and likely capable of being a 20-20 guy as soon as the upcoming season.

I still think Lekkerimakki a 1st and a guy like Joshua is a strong deal with at least two pieces good enough to add in another deal.
End of the day my biggest worry when giving up either Chytil or Raty, is if Rossi doesn't stick at C, we have then traded a guy who definitely is a C and in both cases have 2C upside, maybe not the offensive upside of a Rossi but Chytil has had a season where he showed he can be a 60 point guy and Raty with his improved skating and his successful stint in his last promotion, showed really well.

What season did Chytil show that he could be a 60 point guy and how is Raty a possible 20-20 guy?

Raty might end up as a3'4 C and is good in the dot but that type of offense just isn't there is it?


If we thought that Chytil could be a 60 point guy why would we be looking to trade for a center?

Answer is that he isn't

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Not totally convinced Guerin wouldn't welcome an offer sheet, depending on the compensation, the team offering it, the terms, etc. If Rossi accepts an offer sheet lower than what he wants just to leave, Guerin could just match it if it's in his comfort zone, and then trade Rossi later. He could also just take the unprotected 2026 1st and hope it ends up a lottery pick.

But that's a risky play, because if you don't match it, now you 100% have to go out and find a center somewhere, and again, there just aren't many good ones available. At least with Rossi, you don't lose a top six center, even if he isn't Guerin's first choice.

But if it comes down to Rossi 100% moving on this summer, and Guerin hasn't found another center, I could see Guerin taking a deal like Hayton+prospect (possibly NHL ready)+pick, where Hayton is just an example, not necessarily the specific deal. But like you said, Guerin gets a center back, it's just a lesser center, and some additional assets to supplement value and possibly flip later.

Again though, that's not ideal because it makes the team worse, and there aren't many guys available to flip futures for this summer. That's quite frankly a loss for Guerin.

But Guerin has also said his primary goal is to upgrade the center position, he also said he isn't in a rush to trade Rossi, they like Rossi. So if you take a GM at face value, he's telling us he isn't going to trade Rossi unless it makes the team better, so I think it's far more likely that they reach an agreement before the season starts, rather than making a trade that makes the team worse.

So if there is a lack of interest in giving up what Guerin wants, and if there isn't an offer sheet for Rossi, Rossi may have to come to terms with a bridge deal to avoid sitting out next season. Then again, if someone like Duchene gets to free agency and Guerin signs him, all of a sudden Rossi could be back on the table for more future heavy deals, or a winger if one is available. But until Guerin gets that center, the pressure is arguably more on Guerin to move off his year/aav than it is on Rossi.

Guerin is under pretty significant pressure to ice a team that wins a playoff round this coming season. He doesn't have a lot of time now that the dead cap is gone to start winning.

Given all that, while not ideal cause teams interested could pivot, waiting till July 1st and see what shakes out might be the safest plan for you guy's.

The only thing is if reports are true and given the tight ship owners here have on leaks who knows but if the nucks are really high on Rossi and comfortable going with a number that starts at 7, the compensation is a 1st and 3rd, or a 1st 2nd, 3rd depending on if it's 7.13 or 7.14.
Do the wild match in your opinion? Or say it's the higher threshold so 1st, 2nd and 3rd does that cause Guerin to say fuc* it, take the picks and figure something else out?
Also I'm assuming any offer would be for 5+ years.

I'm not gonna pretend that I know Rossi well enough to know if he's worth that, nor do I have a clue how Guerin truly views him which is why I appreciate a wild fan not being condescending towards me and talking like adults

From a nucks POV and just based of stats and clips, 7+×6 seems a worthwhile gamble, especially if it's just picks. Cheers

 

[AKL]

The only thing is if reports are true and given the tight ship owners here have on leaks who knows but if the nucks are really high on Rossi and comfortable going with a number that starts at 7, the compensation is a 1st and 3rd, or a 1st 2nd, 3rd depending on if it's 7.13 or 7.14.
Do the wild match in your opinion? Or say it's the higher threshold so 1st, 2nd and 3rd does that cause Guerin to say fuc* it, take the picks and figure something else out?
Also I'm assuming any offer would be for 5+ years.

You'd need to get your 3rd back from Calgary to submit an offer sheet. So it's not even worth thinking about until we see the Canucks trade for their 2026 3rd.

But when you have an offer sheet, if the term is over 5 years, the total value of the contract is divided by 5 years to figure out AAV for compensation purposes. So if you made Rossi a 7x7 offer sheet like he's looking for, we're talking about 49/5, which is 9.8, which means 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.

Would Guerin match an offer sheet? Hard to say. We don't actually know whether it's the term or the AAV, or more likely a combination, that's stopping him from just giving Rossi the 7x7 he wants (and probably should get based on the market).

And it still really depends on what else he gets in free agency or if he's close to completing a trade for a top six center. Another potential problem is that when Rossi accepts an offer sheet, Guerin can no longer trade him, so if he had a deal almost in place for Rossi to another team, that deal is dead as soon as Rossi signs an OS.

The list of teams that can currently submit an OS in both the 1st/2nd/3rd or 1st/1st/2nd/3rd tiers:
Anaheim
Boston
Calgary
Chicago
Detroit
Los Angeles
Montreal
Nashville
New Jersey
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Seattle
Utah

Additionally, Vegas and Edmonton could do one in the 1st/1st/2nd/3rd tier, though they wouldn't.

I have to imagine anything in the 1st/3rd tier gets matched, if it even gets signed by Rossi in the first place.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

That is not what Russo said.

I’m confused. Both the tweets you tagged said pretty much exactly what that poster said.