Speculation: Canucks Elias Pettersson on the move? Nucks GM speaks out

[RedHawkDown]

Your evidence is based on one tournament? Holy shit

I mean, it's easily the best comparison of the two given that every other variable was identical in that tournament. Same team, two different goalies, it's a 1-to-1 comparison.

Using NCAA stats, where they're equal, is hugely misleading given that BC has been an absolute juggernaut for the last 2 years. You both have failed to address that. I made a poll, we can see what people vote.

It's not like I think every Montreal prospect sucks or something. Demidov will be a 100+pt superstar IMO, Slaf still has 80-90pt PWF potential, Hage looks to be a great pick and likely a 2C at least, Reinbacher has good potential as a top4 D, Hutson looks great..etc.

 

[wintersej]

Not the prime part of the package. They are young players proven in the NHL that the Canucks can use at center and both are still RFA when their contracts expire. They could remain who they are today or improve. I say they improve but how much is anybody's guess.

Habs 1st and Flames/Panthers 1st is the key offer. Those are probably picks 10 and 15 or something close to that. Why do you and so many others keep ignoring the prime parts and are obsessive with Dach and Newhook devalues like it's impossible for them to improve moving forward. These are not pieces like Gallagher and Anderson bud.

Habs know what we have with Dach and Newhook. You are trying to create this false narrative that they are major parts of the package. False

Probably because a team choosing to keep the 1C in his 30s isn’t going to get excited about guys who are 5 years away from maybe helping.

 

[Djp]

I think it was both Byram and Cozens for Pettersson right? Not one or the other?

If byram+ cozens then more players are involved

 

[Diamonddog01]

Who gets EP if it comes down to these two offers?

Wings:
* JT Compher (cap)
* Danielson
* Augustine
* 2026 1st (who knows where the pick is)

Habs:
* Habs 1st (likely 8-12 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (likely 12-18 range)
* Dach (RFA after the current deal)
* Newhook (RFA after the current deal)

Neither of those are appealing. Vancouver is in win now mode with Hughes contract and while it's possible they could do what they did with Horvat (get a first back and then flip the first for a younger RFA player they like) they will simply take a better offer from another team. You really think a team like Carolina couldn't beat either of these for a team that wants to win now?

No interest in Newhook or Dach, not sure why you are fixated on including them in a potential deal.

 

[Guy Larose]

I mean, it's easily the best comparison of the two given that every other variable was identical in that tournament. Same team, two different goalies, it's a 1-to-1 comparison.

Using NCAA stats, where they're equal, is hugely misleading given that BC has been an absolute juggernaut for the last 2 years. You both have failed to address that. I made a poll, we can see what people vote.

It's not like I think every Montreal prospect sucks or something. Demidov will be a 100+pt superstar IMO, Slaf still has 80-90pt PWF potential, Hage looks to be a great pick and likely a 2C at least, Reinbacher has good potential as a top4 D, Hutson looks great..etc.

LOL no. It's a small sample of not that many games. That's like saying one season makes a career.

 

[RedHawkDown]

LOL no. It's a small sample of not that many games. That's like saying one season makes a career.

Yes, I agree it's a very small sample. You still have not addressed anything about the argument other than the fact that it's a small sample.

 

[Guy Larose]

Yes, I agree it's a very small sample. You still have not addressed anything about the argument other than the fact that it's a small sample.

What argument? Basing it on a tournament is nuts. The rest of it, we'll see later on in their careers. I never spoke on which is better. Primeau was dominant in the NCAA and look at him now. Same with other goalies. A lot of variables come into play.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

He is and any player close to his caliber on any other team is also untouchable. It goes hand and hand. No team is trading a potential top line talent entering a ELC for a player who has a monster contract and a looming NMC. EP is good but he's not McDavid.

Agreed. If my team had Demidov and I were running things that boy wouldn't be available for anything even remotely close to realistic.

 

[wintersej]

Neither of those are appealing. Vancouver is in win now mode with Hughes contract and while it's possible they could do what they did with Horvat (get a first back and then flip the first for a younger RFA player they like) they will simply take a better offer from another team. You really think a team like Carolina couldn't beat either of these for a team that wants to win now?

No interest in Newhook or Dach, not sure why you are fixated on including them in a potential deal.

I do wonder what Carolina’s offer would be. I would think that Necas wouldn’t be on the table anymore. Part of me wonders if a deal with Carolina was an opportunity missed.

In season hockey deals are really tough. You are probably looking for a team with a glut of #2Cs and extra top 4 D they can use to upgrade one of those #2C to a #1C. And maybe thro in some near NHL ready prospects to clinch it.

And you also have to worry about trade protections.

And you have to get the salary cap stuff right.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Neither of those are appealing. Vancouver is in win now mode with Hughes contract and while it's possible they could do what they did with Horvat (get a first back and then flip the first for a younger RFA player they like) they will simply take a better offer from another team. You really think a team like Carolina couldn't beat either of these for a team that wants to win now?

No interest in Newhook or Dach, not sure why you are fixated on including them in a potential deal.

That was not the question. You ignored the question and the 1st rounders and attacked the secondary parts. The question was who do you pick if it's a futures offer. And yes I already know, you might be after a different type of return.

 

[Diamonddog01]

I do wonder what Carolina’s offer would be. I would think that Necas wouldn’t be on the table anymore. Part of me wonders if a deal with Carolina was an opportunity missed.

In season hockey deals are really tough. You are probably looking for a team with a glut of #2Cs and extra top 4 D they can use to upgrade one of those #2C to a #1C. And maybe thro in some near NHL ready prospects to clinch it.

And you also have to worry about trade protections.

And you have to get the salary cap stuff right.

The rumoured deal (Necas, Morrow and Drury) certainly looks that way in hindsight, although I don't think anyone predicted he'd have the season he's having. But yeah, I doubt he's still on the table.

If Petterson is traded, Vancouver needs a top 6 C for their 2nd line and a top 4 LHD. I know Cozens and Byram are getting suggested a lot but Byram's concussion history is a huge red flag for me personally and Cozens is a winger imo.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Probably because a team choosing to keep the 1C in his 30s isn’t going to get excited about guys who are 5 years away from maybe helping.

OK, that should be the reply from the beginning. But instead, you get Dach trash talk? Actual NHL GM's don't communicate like this. The replies are, we are after a different type of trade and assets. Fans can help but laugh and belittle as their prime focus. Not much genuine talk going on for pretend NHL GM's eh?

Dach is an interesting piece. Does he remain who he is today or does he improve as he heads towards maturity years. I say he improves but not sure by how much. Will be interesting to who who he is at age 27/28. Habs were very high on him heading into last year and he got hurt again. Now he is taking a bit of time to get back up to speed. Hopefully he can remain healthy because I think there is a lot of untapped potential there.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The rumoured deal (Necas, Morrow and Drury) certainly looks that way in hindsight, although I don't think anyone predicted he'd have the season he's having. But yeah, I doubt he's still on the table.

If Petterson is traded, Vancouver needs a top 6 C for their 2nd line and a top 4 LHD. I know Cozens and Byram are getting suggested a lot but Byram's concussion history is a huge red flag for me personally and Cozens is a winger imo.

Dach and Matheson. Newhook and two 1st rounders also offered by me.

I do agree that the Canucks should get a center and LD in return and more (depending on the quality of the C and LD). My C is taking long to develop and mature and my LD is UFA after next season. Hence why I added Newhook and two 1st rounders which are very solid picks.

I get it, Canucks want more proven assets. I hope you get it to be honest but if you don't, the Habs are in position to offer a very large package that probably makes your team better in the long run and also keeps the Canucks competitive in the short span.

I think Cozens and Byram are a solid offer. Might not be the exact C and LD you want but what team is going to offer you a C and LD with no question marks?

 

[Diamonddog01]

Dach and Matheson. Newhook and two 1st rounders also offered by me.

I do agree that the Canucks should get a center and LD in return and more (depending on the quality of the C and LD). My C is taking long to develop and mature and my LD is UFA after next season. Hence why I added Newhook and two 1st rounders which are very solid picks.

I get it, Canucks want more proven assets. I hope you get it to be honest but if you don't, the Habs are in position to offer a very large package that probably makes your team better in the long run and also keeps the Canucks competitive in the short span.

Agree to disagree. Other teams offers will be better than Newhook (busting prospect) and Matheson (not remotely appealing given play style and contract status), regardless of whether they are sweetened by a first round pick or two. Instead of trying to convince Canuck fans why this offer is so amazing perhaps try listening and trying to understand the other teams' needs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agree to disagree. Other teams offers will be better than Newhook (busting prospect) and Matheson (not remotely appealing given play style and contract status), regardless of whether they are sweetened by a first round pick or two. Instead of trying to convince Canuck fans why this offer is so amazing perhaps try listening and trying to understand the other teams' needs.

In terms of what? A 1/1 or 2/1 trade or a 5/1 trade I have proposed? This context is important. Are we not allowed to propose a futures package and compare that to the Wings offer? See my point? We are not the only ones proposing a futures package (in case you didn't notice)

Newhook is not a busting prospect. He is a middle 6F who is a winger but can play center (as insurance if someone gets hurt). Don't confuse yourself with a middle 6F asset that is not the 2C you want and then go on an insult the player. It's a stupid HF board game to play.

I don't think you are comprehending this well and I'll give you your own advice with "listening". Let me put it in bold and capital letters for you. IF THE CANUCKS DON'T LIKE THE 1/1 OR 2/1 OFFERS AND START TO CONSIDER A FUTURES PACKAGE, THE HABS CAN ENAGE. IF YOU LIKE THE BYRAM/COZENS OFFER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HABS CAN'T OFFER IT AND WE ARE OUT OF THE TRADE NEGIOATIONS.

I have seen other offers that are meh and worse than mine and no attacks towards that fan base or poster. Seems like some of you are obsessed with the Habs offers. Other offers slide by with no insults but when the Habs offer something you don't like, you go hostile.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Danielson is overrated bud. Just like KK was.

Your goalie is very close to ours. Many will agree (wait for it). Your evidence is evaluating team accomplishments. My list is someone else list that is credible. Remember, you said Fowler is not on par with Augustine and it's "laughable". I think not

Stephen Ellis is credible?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Stephen Ellis is credible?

No the list is. It's accurate to what I believed before I seen it and others I have talked to say it checks out. Regardless, it's meanlingless because I don't think the Canucks are after a goalie as one of the big futures return (if it's a futures return)

Bring it back to Pettersson

 

[TCNorthstars]

No the list is. It's accurate to what I believed before I seen it and others I have talked to say it checks out. Regardless, it's meanlingless because I don't think the Canucks are after a goalie as one of the big futures return (if it's a futures return)

Bring it back to Pettersson

I am confused. You say Steven Ellis isn't credible but the list is, which he wrote. So because it looks good to you makes it credible?

 

[BWJM]

Trade him and build up the backend.

I'd rather have a steady D and maybe less goals... than Pettersson pouting, not scoring, and having your ass clenched all game because Lankinen gets shelled for 50 shots.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I am confused. You say Steven Ellis isn't credible but the list is, which he wrote. So because it looks good to you makes it credible?

Yes, that list reflects what I think and is very close. So to me it's credible. Not sure what the confusion is about.

Are you also confused that I don't believe the Canucks are after a goalie prospect as one of the biggest returns in a futures package and how much this can derail the Pettersson thread?

Here is another list that might confuse you more. The Top 10 NHL Goalie Prospects - The Hockey Writers NHL Prospects Latest News, Analysis & More

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Good luck getting Pegula to sign off on a trade for Pettersson with how much of his contract is due in signing bonuses

I just learned about the cash flow implications - Pegula is not touching this one. Everything he has done since 2020 with the Sabres has been about cash flow. It's why we should continue to have no hope. He's on the hook for stadium overruns for the new NFL stadium, and the Sabres generate nothing now that he killed the market. His (incredibly large) wealth is tied up in assets, and he has major cash going out the door in the hundreds of millions. He just sold a minority share in the Bills to help offset these.

We be screwed.

 

[Royal Puck]

Tage Thompson
Bo Byram

For

Pettersson
3rd

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Tage Thompson
Bo Byram

For

Pettersson
3rd

Not a sabres fan but I would not trade tage straight up for EP. What an overrated player the Swede is

 

[miscs75]

Petterson for Fox+?

Fox would go into the player assistance program if he was traded away from his comfort blanket.

 

[Diablo2020]

Good luck getting Pegula to sign off on a trade for Pettersson with how much of his contract is due in signing bonuses

I mentioned this before in my trade proposals and game by game its losing its appeal but..

Your right the signing bonuses and Pegula are definetly a problem but Pettersson has already been paid 12m this year and is only on a 2.5m salary now.

Cozens swap alone saves Terry 4.6m for the rest of the year.

Buffalo could make a splash, try to garner some intrest in the team, sell some Petey merch, then worry about the nexts year 10m signing bonus in July