Speculation: Canucks Elias Pettersson on the move? Nucks GM speaks out

[Taze em]

Blackhawks:

Nazar, TML 1st, Hall/Murphy/Dickinson for Petterson
Levshunov for Petterson
Unprotected 2025 1st for Petterson
Teravainen, TML 1st, Hall/Murphy/Dickinson for Petterson
Rinzel, TML 1st, Hall/ Murphy/Dickinson for Petterson
Jones 3M retained (waiver necessary) + TML 1st for Petterson

 

[BCNate]

His last two playoff runs have been really good though.

30 points in his 30 Canucks playoff games are really all I care about.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Buffalo is not giving up Byrum. It’s looking like a good trade for our embattled GM.

Cozens, Samuelson and a top prospect like Isaac Rosen who’s ready for the NHL. Salary in and out is a factor for Buffalo.

Vancouver isn’t touching that either.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There’s only one reason I can think of why a professional athlete would refuse to play because of a teammate.

I just can’t believe Miller is sitting because he just does t like Petterson. They’re making too much money to be acting like middle schoolers. Either Petterson did something very bad to Miller or Miller’s issues have nothing to do with Petterson.

I can't imagine the NHL would allow a player to sit games because he dislikes another teammate. It's likely a personal issue Miller had but it came around the same time Miller wanted Pettersson to play harder in the trenches. Pretty sure Miller's frustration is wanting to win and getting more out of Pettersson. That is my guess anyways

 

[TageGod]

Buffalo is not giving up Byrum. It’s looking like a good trade for our embattled GM.

Cozens, Samuelson and a top prospect like Isaac Rosen who’s ready for the NHL. Salary in and out is a factor for Buffalo.

We 100% give up Byram for Petterson. I do agree about the value of Cozens+2026 first, but I think we add Kulich.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is there any deal that could be based around futures?

JT Compher (cap)
Danielson
Augustine
2026 1st

I would do this for EP but I doubt it's acceptable for Vancouver? Not sure.

If it's a deal based on futures, the Habs are front runners and good luck trumping us.

We 100% give up Byram for Petterson. I do agree about the value of Cozens+2026 first, but I think we add Kulich.

I think it was both Byram and Cozens for Pettersson right? Not one or the other?

 

[TageGod]

I think it was both Byram and Cozens for Pettersson right? Not one or the other?

Prefer to avoid both in one trade. The drama and potential issues surrounding Elias could hurt the value a bit. Elias as a ppg or so defensively responsible 1C is 100% worth Byram and Cozens to me.

 

[toddkaz]

Buffalo is not giving up Byrum. It’s looking like a good trade for our embattled GM.

Cozens, Samuelson and a top prospect like Isaac Rosen who’s ready for the NHL. Salary in and out is a

factor for Buffalo.

To be honest there is about a .0001% chance Adams even makes a trade.

Doesn't mean we should just not talk about it. It's a message board, relax

 

[RedHawkDown]

If it's a deal based on futures, the Habs are front runners and good luck trumping us.



I think it was both Byram and Cozens for Pettersson right? Not one or the other?

What would the Habs give up? Can't imagine Demidov would be part of the deal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What would the Habs give up? Can't imagine Demidov would be part of the deal.

Both 1st rounders
* Habs (probably 8-12 range)
* Flames/Panthers (probably 12-18 range)

We got pieces like Dach and Newhook who could be included as NHL contracts and both are still RFA after their current deals. Have not reached their ceiling but there is still untapped potential there. These are supplementary parts that help the Canucks center depth which is bare and very bad with EP traded. Our main parts offered is the two 1st rounders.

We got lots of good trending prospects with high grades. Hage, Kapanen, Beck, Roy, Fowler. Not sure if we would include Reinbacher or Mailloux but it's possible. Assets like Slaf, Demidov, Hutson, Suzuki, Caufield, are off the table but our conversation is futures. Only Demidov fits the futures conversation and I very much doubt any team offers a piece like that. Nobody is trading a Demidov asset for EP with a cap hit that high and a looming NMC that kicks in July 1st. Even a 1/1 trade (Demidov for EP) could make the Habs look very stupid as early as next season.

Like I said, it it was based on futures, the Habs have plenty of different type of offers we can make. Our draft power has been as high as you can imagine over the last 6 or 7 years. Lots of misses yes but lots of hits and our pool is stacked.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Both 1st rounders
* Habs (probably 8-12 range)
* Flames/Panthers (probably 12-18 range)

We got pieces like Dach and Newhook who could be included as NHL contracts and both are still RFA after their current deals. Have not reached their ceiling but there is still untapped potential there. These are supplementary parts that help the Canucks center depth which is bare and very bad with EP traded. Our main parts offered is the two 1st rounders.

We got lots of good trending prospects with high grades Hage, Kapanen, Beck, Roy, Fowler. Not sure if we would include Reinbacher or Mailloux but it's possible. Assets like Slaf, Demidov, Hutson, Suzuki, Caufield, are off the table but our conversation is futures. Only Demidov fits the futures conversation and I very much doubt any team offers a piece like that. Nobody is trading a Demidov asset for EP with a cap hit that high and a looming NMC that kicks in July 1st.

Like I said, it it was based on futures, the Habs have plenty of different type of offers we can make. Our draft power has been as high as you can imagine over the last 6 or 7 years. Lots of misses yet but lots of hits and our pool is stacked.

I'm not sure how that's very different from Detroit's offer. Danielson is a better asset with better draft pedigree than all the prospects you listed other than maybe Hage, and at worst they're equal. The 2nd 1st is nice but Augustine is probably the top goaltending prospect in the world right now. Otherwise our 2025 or 2026 1st is likely in the same range as Montreal's.

 

[crackdown44]

To be honest there is about a .0001% chance Adams even makes a trade.

Doesn't mean we should just not talk about it. It's a message board, relax

Good luck getting Pegula to sign off on a trade for Pettersson with how much of his contract is due in signing bonuses

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not sure how that's very different from Detroit's offer. Danielson is a better asset with better draft pedigree than all the prospects you listed other than maybe Hage, and at worst they're equal. The 2nd 1st is nice but Augustine is probably the top goaltending prospect in the world right now. Otherwise our 2025 or 2026 1st is likely in the same range as Montreal's.

Danielson was picked too early. Draft pedigree means nothing after the draft. The player has to perform after the draft to maintain that draft pedigree. Beck is neck/neck with Danielson in the AHL at the same age this season. Danielson was a reach like the Habs did with Kotkaniemi. Ask the Canucks if they think Danielson is a good prime piece in a futures offer for Pettersson. In a redraft, Danielson goes much later. If you want to talk draft pedigree, we have Dach and Newhook who are in the NHL today and not in their prime yet. Please don't tell me Danielson is going to break out while Dach and Newhook can't because they are a few years older.

Habs have Fowler which eliminates your Augustine attempt at the best goalie prosect in the world. Plus, I don't think the Canucks are after a goalie.

Two 1st in this draft year would be worth a lot. Especially when you have a good idea where the picks will be. It's probably 10 and 15 or something close to that. Lets not brush that under the rug because you think your 2025 or 2026 pick is equal. Canucks are not dumb... they know the Wings would improve with EP so those picks will be 15+ and they come a year later which delays things.

Sorry but if the Habs want to trump any futures offer for EP, we can. The question is what type of trade are the Canucks after. I am pretty sure they will want NHL assets and futures if it's a package deal.

 

[wintersej]

Both 1st rounders
* Habs (probably 8-12 range)
* Flames/Panthers (probably 12-18 range)

We got pieces like Dach and Newhook who could be included as NHL contracts and both are still RFA after their current deals. Have not reached their ceiling but there is still untapped potential there. These are supplementary parts that help the Canucks center depth which is bare and very bad with EP traded. Our main parts offered is the two 1st rounders.

We got lots of good trending prospects with high grades. Hage, Kapanen, Beck, Roy, Fowler. Not sure if we would include Reinbacher or Mailloux but it's possible. Assets like Slaf, Demidov, Hutson, Suzuki, Caufield, are off the table but our conversation is futures. Only Demidov fits the futures conversation and I very much doubt any team offers a piece like that. Nobody is trading a Demidov asset for EP with a cap hit that high and a looming NMC that kicks in July 1st. Even a 1/1 trade (Demidov for EP) could make the Habs look very stupid as early as next season.

Like I said, it it was based on futures, the Habs have plenty of different type of offers we can make. Our draft power has been as high as you can imagine over the last 6 or 7 years. Lots of misses yes but lots of hits and our pool is stacked.

No one outside of Montreal buys there is anything there with Newhook or Dach.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

What would the Habs give up? Can't imagine Demidov would be part of the deal.

Don't like the Habs but I feel qualified to speak for their fans this time and say that Demidov is basically untouchable. I think they'll agree.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No one outside of Montreal buys there is anything there with Newhook or Dach.

Not the prime part of the package. They are young players proven in the NHL that the Canucks can use at center and both are still RFA when their contracts expire. They could remain who they are today or improve. I say they improve but how much is anybody's guess.

Habs 1st and Flames/Panthers 1st is the key offer. Those are probably picks 10 and 15 or something close to that. Why do you and so many others keep ignoring the prime parts and are obsessive with Dach and Newhook devalues like it's impossible for them to improve moving forward. These are not pieces like Gallagher and Anderson bud.

Habs know what we have with Dach and Newhook. You are trying to create this false narrative that they are major parts of the package. False

 

[RedHawkDown]

Don't like the Habs but I feel qualified to speak for their fans this time and say that Demidov is basically untouchable. I think they'll agree.

Yeah I agree with that. I was guessing the assertion that the Habs will beat any futures offer was based on homerism rambling and based on the above post it clearly is. Jacob Fowler being equal to Augustine is truly laughable.

Will be interesting if the Canucks actually go through with this.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Don't like the Habs but I feel qualified to speak for their fans this time and say that Demidov is basically untouchable. I think they'll agree.

He is and any player close to his caliber on any other team is also untouchable. It goes hand and hand. No team is trading a potential top line talent entering a ELC for a player who has a monster contract and a looming NMC. EP is good but he's not McDavid.

Yeah I agree with that. I was guessing the assertion that the Habs will beat any futures offer was based on homerism rambling and based on the above post it clearly is. Jacob Fowler being equal to Augustine is truly laughable.

Will be interesting if the Canucks actually go through with this.

Fowler is on par with Augustine. Just goes to show what you know and proof you are ignorant now. Acting like an authority with lack of knowledge. Where is your context? Here is mine. Top 25 NHL-affiliated goaltending prospects in 2024-25.

You might not like it but it's your problem. Wings can't touch the Habs if it's a futures offer. We have lots of assets beyond Demidov and those assets are actually performing well. You have a player taken too early in Danielson and are guilty of pumping him like the Habs did with KK back when. Funny, how that works both ways eh?

 

[RedHawkDown]

Danielson was picked too early. Draft pedigree means nothing after the draft. The player has to perform after the draft to maintain that draft pedigree. Beck is neck/neck with Danielson in the AHL at the same age this season. Danielson was a reach like the Habs did with Kotkaniemi. Ask the Canucks if they think Danielson is a good prime piece in a futures offer for Pettersson. In a redraft, Danielson goes much later. If you want to talk draft pedigree, we have Dach and Newhook who are in the NHL today and not in their prime yet. Please don't tell me Danielson is going to break out while Dach and Newhook can't because they are a few years older.

Habs have Fowler which eliminates your Augustine attempt at the best goalie prosect in the world. Plus, I don't think the Canucks are after a goalie.

Two 1st in this draft year would be worth a lot. Especially when you have a good idea where the picks will be. It's probably 10 and 15 or something close to that. Lets not brush that under the rug because you think your 2025 or 2026 pick is equal. Canucks are not dumb... they know the Wings would improve with EP so those picks will be 15+ and they come a year later which delays things.

Sorry but if the Habs want to trump any futures offer for EP, we can. The question is what type of trade are the Canucks after. I am pretty sure they will want NHL assets and futures if it's a package deal.

Augustine hugely outplayed Fowler last year at the WJC and is once again leading USA this year. Nobody outside of Montreal thinks these two players are close. you can go make a poll if you don't believe me.

Danielson's game is not based entirely on offense. He is a far better prospect than Beck - his defensive play is elite and his value will be in being a Bergeron lite, not an offense-first player. Dach and Newhook are what they are at this point and once again nobody outside of Montreal thinks differently. I can also claim that Jonatan Berggren is going to break out into a 70 point player too but it's equally absurd as claiming Newhook/Dach have any significant value whatsoever.

2 picks in the same draft is a good point, but I'm not sure your point about Detroit improving. Would Montreal not improve even more with Pettersson given they're already better now? Your pick package then goes from 10+15 to likely 15+19 or something of that nature.

He is and any player close to his caliber on any other team is also untouchable. It goes hand and hand. No team is trading a potential top line talent entering a ELC for a player who has a monster contract and a looming NMC. EP is good but he's not McDavid.



Fowler is on par with Augustine. Just goes to show what you know and proof you are ignorant now. Acting like an authority with lack of knowledge.

Where is your context? Here is mine. Top 25 NHL-affiliated goaltending prospects in 2024-25

My evidence is when they played on the same WJC team at the same time and one player dramatically outperformed the other, not some random list.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

There’s only one reason I can think of why a professional athlete would refuse to play because of a teammate.

I just can’t believe Miller is sitting because he just does t like Petterson. They’re making too much money to be acting like middle schoolers. Either Petterson did something very bad to Miller or Miller’s issues have nothing to do with Petterson.

I believe Allvin even praised Miller for taking the time he needed. I’m not saying they’re pals, but the reporting around Miller/Pettersson is toxic.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Augustine hugely outplayed Fowler last year at the WJC and is once again leading USA this year. Nobody outside of Montreal thinks these two players are close. you can go make a poll if you don't believe me.

Danielson's game is not based entirely on offense. He is a far better prospect than Beck - his defensive play is elite and his value will be in being a Bergeron lite, not an offense-first player. Dach and Newhook are what they are at this point and once again nobody outside of Montreal thinks differently. I can also claim that Jonatan Berggren is going to break out into a 70 point player too but it's equally absurd as claiming Newhook/Dach have any significant value whatsoever.

2 picks in the same draft is a good point, but I'm not sure your point about Detroit improving. Would Montreal not improve even more with Pettersson given they're already better now? Your pick package then goes from 10+15 to likely 15+19 or something of that nature.


My evidence is when they played on the same WJC team at the same time and one player dramatically outperformed the other, not some random list.

Danielson is overrated bud. Just like KK was.

Your goalie is very close to ours. Many will agree (wait for it). Your evidence is evaluating team accomplishments. My list is someone else list that is credible. Remember, you said Fowler is not on par with Augustine and it's "laughable". I think not

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Knowing how these things go, he will end up in Vegas for Whitecloud, Roy, and draft picks.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Danielson is overrated bud. Just like KK was.

Your goalie is very close to ours. Many will agree (wait for it). Your evidence is evaluating team accomplishments. My list is someone else list that is credible. Remember, you said Fowler is not on par with Augustine and it's "laughable". I think not

What makes the list credible? Lol. It’s not a team accomplishment…they played on the exact same team and one guy put up .889 in 3 games and the other put up .936 in 4 games. There is nothing team based in that accomplishment. They played behind the exact same defense and one shit the bed. BC is a WAY better team than Michigan State with Perrault/Hagens/Leonard and Smith last year. Fowler stats are hugely inflated playing for that team and he got exposed at the international level

 

[Guy Larose]

Augustine hugely outplayed Fowler last year at the WJC and is once again leading USA this year. Nobody outside of Montreal thinks these two players are close. you can go make a poll if you don't believe me.

Danielson's game is not based entirely on offense. He is a far better prospect than Beck - his defensive play is elite and his value will be in being a Bergeron lite, not an offense-first player. Dach and Newhook are what they are at this point and once again nobody outside of Montreal thinks differently. I can also claim that Jonatan Berggren is going to break out into a 70 point player too but it's equally absurd as claiming Newhook/Dach have any significant value whatsoever.

2 picks in the same draft is a good point, but I'm not sure your point about Detroit improving. Would Montreal not improve even more with Pettersson given they're already better now? Your pick package then goes from 10+15 to likely 15+19 or something of that nature.


My evidence is when they played on the same WJC team at the same time and one player dramatically outperformed the other, not some random list.

Your evidence is based on one tournament? Holy shit

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who gets EP if it comes down to these two offers?

Wings:
* JT Compher (cap)
* Danielson
* Augustine
* 2026 1st (who knows where the pick is)

Habs:
* Habs 1st (likely 8-12 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (likely 12-18 range)
* Dach (RFA after the current deal)
* Newhook (RFA after the current deal)

Your evidence is based on one tournament? Holy shit

Can't believe he is still trying to debate it

What makes the list credible? Lol. It’s not a team accomplishment…they played on the exact same team and one guy put up .889 in 3 games and the other put up .936 in 4 games. There is nothing team based in that accomplishment. They played behind the exact same defense and one shit the bed. BC is a WAY better team than Michigan State with Perrault/Hagens/Leonard and Smith last year. Fowler stats are hugely inflated playing for that team and he got exposed at the international level

We don't agree on Fowler vs Aug.

Meaningless... Doubt the Canucks want a goalie in the futures package.