Speculation: Canucks Elias Pettersson on the move? Nucks GM speaks out

[Szechwan]

I don't see reason for either CLB or ANA to make that move especially at this point for organization. They are several years away from contending so trading for EP who would be late 20's/early 30's at time seems unreasonable

And if EP was guaranteed franchise player/#1C going forward the Nucks wouldn't be considering trading him

With a couple savvy moves I think Columbus could be closer than that, they have a lot of the pieces in place and even more coming. They are scoring well this year, a 2 way 1C would push them into a wildcard spot quite easily imo, and don't discount the value of a long term deal to that franchise.

Anaheim is further out, but word is they're in the market for difference makers to help them take that next step. They'd probably sooner part with McTavish instead, but he seems to have taken a step back so I don't know if Van would do that.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

With a couple savvy moves I think Columbus could be closer than that, they have a lot of the pieces in place and even more coming. They are scoring well this year, a 2 way 1C would push them into a wildcard spot quite easily imo, and don't discount the value of a long term deal to that franchise.

Anaheim is further out, but weird is they're in the market for difference makers to help them take that next step. They'd probably sooner part with McTavish instead, but he seems to have taken a step back so I don't know if Van would do that.

EP to Columbus is the best fix to this mess I’ve heard. Dude would seemingly appreciate the lesser media scrutiny, and he would slot into an improving squad nicely.

 

[Vitto79]

Zib and Kreider for Miller , Hoglander , Desharnais

 

[elmaco]

Zib and Kreider for Miller , Hoglander , Desharnais

Lafreniere for PLD

 

[squashmaple]

It’s just going to cost a reasonable 2C, 3D, and picks + prospects.

Feel a few teams would offer that.

Fantilli + Provorov
Cozens + Bryan
Barzal + Pelech
Chytl + Schneider
Pinto + Sanderson

As starting points.

Honestly spitballing because my value radar may be way off.

These are all over the place. Ottawa and the Islanders hang up before you finish your sentence while Buffalo and the Rangers accept and file the paperwork before you can blink.

Columbus it’s harder to say for me, just because I’m a Jackets fan and I know more about the circumstances from the Columbus side. I don’t think Columbus ultimately has the right pieces for an EP40 deal in terms of what Vancouver would want vs what they’d be willing to give up. Fantilli would be 100% off the table, obviously, but Vancouver isn’t biting on a Sillinger/Provorov deal.

An Anaheim deal featuring McTavish or Detroit featuring Danielson/Kasper and their first feels like a better fit. A 1-2 of Pettersson/Carlsson or a line with Pettersson and Lucas Raymond would be ideal, considering.

No matter what, I think Canucks fans are going to be disappointed in the return. Pettersson has more or less sucked for a calendar year now, and he’s about to cost nearly 12 million dollars a year. Vancouver has to move him soon or he gets to pick his destination because of movement protection, which further impairs the return.

 

[crackdown44]

Andersson + from Calgary or does Van absolutely need a C coming back? Doubt they’d trade him in the division anyway. Too much risk of him being elite again.

Feel like Van can probably fetch a better main piece than Ras if they’re dealing him too but he’s the most attractive piece Calgary has

 

[wintersej]

So Necas, a buyout bait, a meh prospect and a late 1st for a star 1c? How does that help Vancouver at all?

I'm pretty sure The Nucks are looking for a hockey trade and hope not to miss a beat, not a quality for quantity type thing to throw a white flag on their season.

I'd take Necas over EP 1 for 1.

 

[wintersej]

E Lindholm + Zadorov for EP just for the lols.

In seriousness, Boston does have Zacha and E Lindholm as age appropriate centers, H Lindholm, Carlo and Zadorov as age appropriate D, and then some future sweeteners in Poitras, Lysell and all their picks the next three years sans the 2025 2nd.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

It absolutely is an issue for the Canucks when it comes to the trading of Pettersson as it influences their leverage. Other teams can and will wait them out.

lol and what if they’re one of the ones on the NTC? Sounds like a great strategy, you should be a GM

 

[kvladimir]

If I'm VAN, I don't even consider trading either EP40 or Miller. There is no reason to think they can't figure it out and reach a similar (or greater) level that in the recent past. As a team, VAN taking a step back this year was expected anyway, what with the decrease in contract efficiency, but they still have a window if they just remain patient and let their top young players come in and make a difference next season or two.

But ok, if they HAD to trade EP40, for whatever reason, and that reason is not "he demanded a trade", I would say the only 2 teams that truly make sense as a destination are DET and CAR (MIN would be a good one if they had a way to make the cap work, but I don't think they do).

For DET: they have the cap room to make it work by sending Compher back (10 team NTC, should be no problem). If DET wants to escape their rebuild, EP40 as a target makes sense, and the return could be some combo of - 1) lotto-protected 2025 1st (so probably top 10, outside chance unprotected next year) 2) Kaspar/Danielson, 3) Wallinder (lol). VAN can then flip either the DET 1st or their own in a package to add a young C from a team that can't add EP40's cap and for whom this swap would be appealing

For CAR: it would have to be Necas + Kotkaniemi to make the cap work (CAR has no cap-dump type contracts), which is solid win-now value, while still benefitting CAR by trading from a position of strength for a position of weakness. Add Morrow, and it is probably close, rather than picks. Kotkaniemi still has 2 more seasons where he can be bought out at an 850k penalty with the cap going up, so he is a solid potential reclamation, rather than a cap dump imho (would be interesting to see how he fares under Tocchet). VAN winds up weak at C (maybe ok if KK improves), but stacked on the wings with excellent scoring depth.

But to reiterate: even if VAN can gets these offers, it's a lost trade waiting to happen. None of these offers have close to the value of EP40 at his peak

 

[Boyon90]

petterson no salary retained, and a 2nd for dvorak

 

[Napoli]

I don't see reason for either CLB or ANA to make that move especially at this point for organizations. They are several years away from contending so trading for EP who would be late 20's/early 30's at time seems unreasonable

And if EP was guaranteed franchise player/#1C going forward the Nucks wouldn't be considering trading him

Columbus isnt as far away as youd think. They are close to a wild card all with a suspect goalie and a sketchy defense. Sure theyre not Cup contenders but Pettersson would drastically change their future. Especially with young players like Marchenko, KJ and Werenski playing so well.

With the cap space there, I could see something crazy potentially. I'd have to think Fantilli would be going back the other way whether Columbus fans like it or not.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Seriously, could you imagine an organization trading away a franchise player (or even two of them in the same year), that would be soooooooooooo stupid HAHAHAHAHA JUST KILL ME.

Like to Las Vegas and Florida?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Pettersson + 1st + 2nd for Marner

Pettersson is what HF thinks Marner is

 

[roryjones]

Problem is that Vancouver is not rebuilding so you won’t get a 100 point player for magic beans and draft picks, it’s gonna cost yuh!!

I would not move Johnston. EP’s cap hit is very high which makes him hard to move. I could see Robertson for Pettersson trade.

 

[rypper]

There's no way that Vancouver wins a Pettersson trade. It's far more likely that a player of his caliber returns to form then falls off completely.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Zib and Kreider for Miller , Hoglander , Desharnais

So so bad . 2 cap dumps for a 1 c ?

 

[Golden_Jet]

It’s just going to cost a reasonable 2C, 3D, and picks + prospects.

Feel a few teams would offer that.

Fantilli + Provorov
Cozens + Bryan
Barzal + Pelech
Chytl + Schneider
Pinto + Sanderson

As starting points.

Honestly spitballing because my value radar may be way off.

No chance Islanders or Senators do that trade, and especially as starting points.

 

[JKG33]

Pettersson is what HF thinks Marner is

They're the same player

 

[freester]

No chance Islanders or Senators do that trade, and especially as starting points.

That’s way too much from Sabres. Cozens and Samuelson is a possibility to get the dollars closer

 

[alphafox]

These are all over the place. Ottawa and the Islanders hang up before you finish your sentence while Buffalo and the Rangers accept and file the paperwork before you can blink.

Columbus it’s harder to say for me, just because I’m a Jackets fan and I know more about the circumstances from the Columbus side. I don’t think Columbus ultimately has the right pieces for an EP40 deal in terms of what Vancouver would want vs what they’d be willing to give up. Fantilli would be 100% off the table, obviously, but Vancouver isn’t biting on a Sillinger/Provorov deal.

An Anaheim deal featuring McTavish or Detroit featuring Danielson/Kasper and their first feels like a better fit. A 1-2 of Pettersson/Carlsson or a line with Pettersson and Lucas Raymond would be ideal, considering.

No matter what, I think Canucks fans are going to be disappointed in the return. Pettersson has more or less sucked for a calendar year now, and he’s about to cost nearly 12 million dollars a year. Vancouver has to move him soon or he gets to pick his destination because of movement protection, which further impairs the return.

I think the dice roll for C-Bus would probably be around Cayden Lindstrom. C-Bus would be indicating a desire to push to compete earlier while Monahan would still be a contributor so giving up a lot of potential, plus a piece to help Van's biggest need would be a solid package to start a deal with. It could end up being a crushing loss for the Jackets but DW has already shown a willingness to make a deal that could bite them big time with Jiricek.

I feel like the real question is how badly does Van want that cap space. Jackets are one of the few teams that can eat that full cap space and more or less completely free Van up to pursue big game hunting, which could change the dynamics and return on the trade to something that requires fewer assets even then a base of Lindstrom+ Provy

 

[Face Of Bear]

Pettersson is what HF thinks Marner is

bad? overpaid? soft?

 

[Fjordy]

That’s way too much from Sabres. Cozens and Samuelson is a possibility to get the dollars closer

But it looks bad for Canucks, and I'm a Sabres fan. Cozens looks like a 7 million winger who scores 40 points right now. Samuelsson? I'm not sure he has any real value at all, due to his constant injuries and inconsistent play.

 

[Peter Griffin]

But it looks bad for Canucks, and I'm a Sabres fan. Cozens looks like a 7 million winger who scores 40 points right now. Samuelsson? I'm not sure he has any real value at all, due to his constant injuries and inconsistent play.

It IS bad for the Canucks.

Not directed at you, but this idea that the Canucks HAVE to move Pettersson is false. They only have to move him before July 1st if they decide to move him and they aren’t likely to do that if they don’t feel it makes them better.

 

[MagnumForce2]

But it looks bad for Canucks, and I'm a Sabres fan. Cozens looks like a 7 million winger who scores 40 points right now. Samuelsson? I'm not sure he has any real value at all, due to his constant injuries and inconsistent play.

The Sabres can do better than that offer. The Sabres have the assets to make this trade happen.