Post-Game Talk: Canucks defeat Oilers | 8-1 (Boeser[4], Garland, Pettersson, Miller, & Joshua) - It's So Beautiful

[Zippgunn]

On topic of running out PP1 when up by 5 goals or whatever: Good. It's the first game of the year, get the first unit going.

I'm sure you would say the same if the Oilers did that...

Also, during the Captain ceremony they showed literally every guy who wore the C in Canucks history except a certain bald bastard. The Canucks PR team gets us.

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Really? I'm no big fan of Mess but that is totally without class in my book...

 

[ziploc]

I'm sure you would say the same if the Oilers did that...

We lost a number of leads and games last year in the third period, particularly at the start of the year. And the Oilers has an offence that can score in bunches. Glad they put their foot on the gas in this instance.

 

[m9]

Like I said last night, the scheme they had where help defenders anticipated the redirections from the stickwork of guys like Suter, Beauvillier, PDG, and Lafferty and made quick breakouts was tremendous for changing the fortunes of our own-zone play. The most frustrating part of watching Travis Green hockey was how guys would just box out in passing lanes and play zone, but would have no plan at all for actually getting the puck on their stick and basically just hoped and prayed to god that some random bounce would end up out of the zone.

The superior active stick work was something I haven't seen this team do to this extent in years, and I wonder if its something they're emphasizing in player acquisition and systems coaching. Those "PK specialist" type guys are really good at it, and it's a boon at 5v5, too, not just shorthanded. It's interesting that every single line has at least one of those guys, and they're all pro scouting acquisitions:

Mikheyev - Pettersson - Kuzmenko
PDG - Miller - Boeser
Joshua - Suter - Beauvillier
Hoglander - Lafferty - Blueger

As you said, Beauvillier isn't always that profile of player - he has a tendency to settle into the perimeter - but when he's skating well and trying to actively break up plays he can be really good. Hughes himself mentioned that "it all starts with the forwards" and that their possession work and forecheck gave him less work, and I think that's a big part of Allvin/Tocchet's vision for the team. It's one of the things Vegas and Carolina do well, imo

It's fundamentally the biggest difference we've seen between old management and new management - one guy was just acquiring players while the other guy is trying to build a team. Not to re-hash the tired point, but all you need to know about the old guy was that he thought acquiring a 2nd LHD high-priced offensive/PP defenseman was the best use of massive draft/salary capital which is an insane premise even if you don't even consider the awful value in the trade.

Now I'm not on board with everything these new guys have done and I'm certainly not going all-in with them based on one game, but hey it's a great start to the season.

 

[Svencouver]

Yes, it was such a bad showing from the Oilers I can't take much away except that Tocchet's system looks pretty solid structurally and looks to compensate well for the Canucks general lack of speed.

I'd be interested in how this works against teams like Vegas and Seattle, for example, who have a lot of strengths the Oilers do in terms of general pace of play, but also play strong systems hockey.

I'm still shocked the Oilers came out and tried to basically play 1-on-1 pond hockey the whole game. Anytime I see guys trying to skate through the whole opposing team repeatedly you got problems.

To add to the above, I think whats really crucial about the addition of these "PK guys" who are really strong with two-way play at 5v5 is their ability to add that element to any line they play on without detracting from any generation of offense with Tocchets 2+1 line structure. When you have Pettersson+Kuzmenko or Miller+Boeser as the guys you count on to put the puck in the net, all you need on their wing is someone who can take possession, move it up ice, and get the puck on their stick. Not only is that going to pay dividends on defense, it's going to help generate offense, too, unlike some other coaches more conservative shutdown systems play

I have to concur with wanting to see this against other teams that play this system well, though, like Seattle and Vegas. They've been doing it for longer, their systems are way more developed, and their pace is way quicker because guys just know what to do so intuitively at this point, and they've historically outskated us, too

 

[Nucker101]

On topic of running out PP1 when up by 5 goals or whatever: Good. It's the first game of the year, get the first unit going.

I’m pretty sure the rule is “take dirty penalties and we’ll keep throwing PP1 out there”

If anything Tocchet took it easy on them because Drai’s second penalty was a slash to Cole’s legs and they started with a Lafferty/Joshua unit.


Side note: Drai has to be one of the sorest losers in the league, he’s been this way going back to pre-draft. Just completely loses his composure. He doesn’t give a shit that his goalie is more miserable that he is, he’ll keep taking those selfish penalties.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I'm sure you would say the same if the Oilers did that...


Really? I'm no big fan of Mess but that is totally without class in my book...

You think Messier wants people to remember he was here? I sure as hell would not if I were him.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

It was so satisfying to watch that game, especially given that I still have the scars from all those games back in the 80s when Gretzky & the Oilers would blowout the Canucks like this. I had to wait 37 years or so for this game.

some trips down memory lane we can enjoy

the near-kesler/daniel double hat trick

lol 2 pts each by sam gagner, gil brulé, and dustin pancakes

and one from my childhood, revenge for the previous year’s playoffs — Edmonton Oilers vs. Vancouver Canucks Box Score: November 21, 1992 | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[hellstick]

Who cares what Edmonton fans think about the pp1. Let the best players run up the score at a home opener. Entertain us!

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

You think Messier wants people to remember he was here? I sure as hell would not if I were him.

they should always show him just for the boos

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

some trips down memory lane we can enjoy

the near-kesler/daniel double hat trick

lol 2 pts each by sam gagner, gil brulé, and dustin pancakes

and one from my childhood, revenge for the previous year’s playoffs — Edmonton Oilers vs. Vancouver Canucks Box Score: November 21, 1992 | Hockey-Reference.com

Oh, ha, thanks! I forgot about the 9-0 blowout in 92! That one was on HNIC.

 

[timw33]

I'm sure you would say the same if the Oilers did that...

It's more embarrassing when a team is throwing out their 4th liners on PP1 in the middle of the third period IMO. A sign that the opponent actively pities you.

 

[Jay26]

Ah, this is what it's all about. Glad you guys had such a fun time, especially for your son!

 

[Svencouver]

It's fundamentally the biggest difference we've seen between old management and new management - one guy was just acquiring players while the other guy is trying to build a team. Not to re-hash the tired point, but all you need to know about the old guy was that he thought acquiring a 2nd LHD high-priced offensive/PP defenseman was the best use of massive draft/salary capital which is an insane premise even if you don't even consider the awful value in the trade.

Now I'm not on board with everything these new guys have done and I'm certainly not going all-in with them based on one game, but hey it's a great start to the season.

Biased as he's my namesake, but I think Baertschi was one of the few Benning era additions that ever really did anything positive for us in this regard, and it wasn't even intentional on the act of management. They acquired Baertschi just because they thought he was fools gold as a reclamation project and part of the future core, but what he actually ended up being was a great supplementary winger for Horvat and Boeser that helped them a good amount with their development by being smart enough to keep up with them and a good enough passer to enable them offensively. That BBB line was one of the bright spots of those years and it was something I have no doubt in my mind was not built intentionally whatsoever

 

[Vector]

Also, during the Captain ceremony they showed literally every guy who wore the C in Canucks history except a certain bald bastard. The Canucks PR team gets us.

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Not joking in the least bit but this is why sports are important.

 

[Nucker101]

I'm sure you would say the same if the Oilers did that...


Really? I'm no big fan of Mess but that is totally without class in my book...

Oilers would 100% have PP1 out there if Miller cross checked McDavid or Draisaitl or Pettersson slashed Bouchard.

 

[VanJack]

Oilers will be in a surly mood when the same two teams go at it again in Edmonton on Saturday.

Canucks will need to weather the early storm and stay out of the penalty box. Wonder if Demko will recover in time for the start in this one.

 

[Vector]

It's more embarrassing when a team is throwing out their 4th liners on PP1 in the middle of the third period IMO. A sign that the opponent actively pities you.

There's a weird juxtaposition where the Oilers are upset that the Canucks didn't go easy on them (played the 1st unit PP) but also did go easy on them (pulled the starter for the back-up). This is how my 4 year old gets upset.

 

[1440]

Just finished watching this morning. What a quietly excellent game from Pius Suter. He played the most at 5v5 among Canucks forwards, and played a bunch vs McDavid and Draisaitl both at ES and on the PK. He made several excellent defensive plays including a potential goal saving one after Miller had taken the interference penalty on McDavid. Lafferty was noticeable on the forecheck and in driving the net, and Blueger has been good in the preseason but Suter looks to be a class above the other two, but carries out his work in a less flashy way. He is my pick for most important off season acquisition.

 

[valkynax]

There's a weird juxtaposition where the Oilers are upset that the Canucks didn't go easy on them (played the 1st unit PP) but also did go easy on them (pulled the starter for the back-up). This is how my 4 year old gets upset.

This is also how that hyper intelligent scorpion got upset when you beat it in chess.

 

[Zippgunn]

It's more embarrassing when a team is throwing out their 4th liners on PP1 in the middle of the third period IMO. A sign that the opponent actively pities you.

IMHO when up by a bunch a prudent coach plays his extra offensive guys on late PP's to see how they do on the PP because if one or two look good there you can always insert them into the PP in case of injury at some further date. I'm pretty sure if the Oilers put out McDrai et al on a PP in the same circumstance and a Canuck were to cheap shot one of them this board would roar with approval...

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Oilers will be in a surly mood when the same two teams go at it again in Edmonton on Saturday.

Canucks will need to weather the early storm and stay out of the penalty box. Wonder if Demko will recover in time for the start in this one.

We need to pull a repeat of our start to the 2008/2009 season where we opened with a home and home against Calgary. Curb stomped them 6-0 on home ice, before pulling off a come from behind, 5-4 OT win in Calgary the next game (RIP Pavol Demitra)

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Also, during the Captain ceremony they showed literally every guy who wore the C in Canucks history except a certain bald bastard. The Canucks PR team gets us.

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Your son is a mini you!

 

[Svencouver]

I’m pretty sure the rule is “take dirty penalties and we’ll keep throwing PP1 out there”

If anything Tocchet took it easy on them because Drai’s second penalty was a slash to Cole’s legs and they started with a Lafferty/Joshua unit.


Side note: Drai has to be one of the sorest losers in the league, he’s been this way going back to pre-draft. Just completely loses his composure. He doesn’t give a shit that his goalie is more miserable that he is, he’ll keep taking those selfish penalties.

I know "INTANGIBLES!!!" has become a pretty fraught topic in the post Toews era, but I really think that's what separates Crosby and Malkin from McDavid and Draisaitl. They are such ridiculously hard workers that have always put the team and winning first and set such a good example. The stories that have been passed around over the years between the offseasons that Crosby organized and the offseasons that McDavid organized are night and day. The Pens went from some of the worst losers in the league post-Lemieux, and a franchise in crisis, to having one of the best, most consistent winning cultures in the entire league and it's because of the foundation that core laid down.

Related, but I still hate how Tippett and now Woodcroft throw McDavid and Draisaitl together as soon as they go down and cant generate any offense. It works sometimes, sure, but I think as a habit it sends a REALLY BAD subliminal message to the rest of the team. What's implicit whenever you break up your 4 line structure to just "let the big boys handle it" is that the rest of the team can't do anything without them and that they need to be relied upon to win. It's not just about putting them together, it's about the consistent timing of it, and I really think it affects how mentally and culturally weak they are as a team

 

[MS]

There's a weird juxtaposition where the Oilers are upset that the Canucks didn't go easy on them (played the 1st unit PP) but also did go easy on them (pulled the starter for the back-up). This is how my 4 year old gets upset.

We also did go easy on them on the PPs.

We put PP1 out there with 15 minutes left in a 6-1 game and ... yup. That's how you do things. There's way too much time left against the most explosive offensive team in the NHL to be dicking around with that result. We could take a 5 minute major and Edmonton could score 3 or 4 times on it.

We did put 4th liners out on the next PP at 7-1 with 12 minutes left, which is about as early/close as you'll ever see that happen.

 

[Killer Orcas]

There's a weird juxtaposition where the Oilers are upset that the Canucks didn't go easy on them (played the 1st unit PP) but also did go easy on them (pulled the starter for the back-up). This is how my 4 year old gets upset.

Honestly they were so shell shocked didn't know what to say. McDavid looked like he was in shock during that post game interview. I mean they just got wiped off the ice by the first over all team in league yesterday haha. Saturday will be huge let's keep the effort going !!