Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return
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rypper
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I respect him more. If he knew he wasn't going to be happy here or be able to give his best, he recognized that and moved on. Instead of taking the money and wasting our time. We'll bring in a new hungry coach with fresh ideas and a clean slate for the players.
On the surface it sure seems like Tocchet and Pettersson were like oil and water. A new coach might get something different from 40 and that's huge for the team success moving forward.
On the surface it sure seems like Tocchet and Pettersson were like oil and water. A new coach might get something different from 40 and that's huge for the team success moving forward.
Raistlin
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its damning on JR/Allvin.
Not on Tocchet.
Tocchet can feel what he wants to feel, sign where he wants to sign now that the team didnt exercise his option. JR mentioning that he wants to coach out east was either a blatant lie or was completely played by Tocchet. Him offering top dollars to keep Tocchet here and building this whole team to play his style while not knowing if the guy was committed to playing here was major damning miscalculation. JR looks pretty stupid now. had looked pretty stupid with his unfiltered candid musings/jokes that added nothing but noise for his star players. Tocchet was not a flexible coach and plays one style, that much is apparent, completely botched the whole EP/JTM situation, the only reason for retaining him is that the team is full of players to play grind, dump and chase now, and is currently short one architect to make everything gel.
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I'm thinking he's discovering the free agent market for himself and the team lacked the commitment to let him go until now. I think he could have signed with the Canucks again if offers didn't come through or they upped the offer but that management had enough of the games.
The roster is not the same though. Its Allvin's team now and the core is pretty much gone, one way or another. Its definitely a different team now, trading offense for the defense we were lacking.
The roster is not the same though. Its Allvin's team now and the core is pretty much gone, one way or another. Its definitely a different team now, trading offense for the defense we were lacking.
sure. i wasn't criticizing tocchet. i just mean the situation in vancouver must have been completely intolerable (for tocchet). it's not just tocchet doubting the team can win in the short term otherwise he wouldn't be considering boston
But Tocchet was still negotiating money and term to the very end. If it was about "happiness" then there should be no counter offer on the table. He should have told Rutherford that he needed time to think about whether he wants to return to Vancouver after the year and not string him along. Take Paul Maurice when he resigned from the Jets. He said he talked to management about whether he was the right coach for the team and ultimately he resigned because he felt the team needed a new voice and he wasn't enjoy coming to the rink. Like even though Maurice "quit" on the Jets, he was at least forthright with management over the reasons (or so it appears).
But what Rutherford said was "...it’s a little bit surprising. We had a lot of talks over the last four to six weeks, and in those talks, it was sort of general talks like we would normally have at the end of each year. He’s talking about what he’s going to do with the players in the summertime, what he wants to do differently at camp, and what he wants to do with the team next year. So, for the most part, the talks were all about the future, and it appeared to me that he would return.
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he wants to move back to the Eastern part of the United States and be closer to his family."
Tocchet himself released a statement where he said "Family is a priority." What does this mean?
Then we hear that he interviewed in Seattle and is open to west and east coast? Is this just a "I don't want to coach in Canada" thing? If so, just say it or leak it.
Raistlin
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he likely feels management will side with ownership when push comes to shove, he likely wants a practice facility. all else is BS. just my impression.
Josepho
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On the John Shannon podcast, Rutherford said that Tocchet explicitly told him that he wants to go out east. Considering how blunt he's been about everything else, I'm inclined to believe that these Anaheim/Seattle rumours are just designed to give Tocchet more leverage.
I still think he's going to end up in Philly.
I still think he's going to end up in Philly.
rypper
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I think Tocchet was still negotiating with the team because he had legitimately not made up his mind yet and ultimately came to the decision staying in Vancouver wasn't the most conducive option for his happiness.
Rutherford's comment could be damage control.... or I've taken an interview for a job fully knowing I wasn't going to take the job. Both for information and just to practice my interview skills.
I don't think it's unrealistic that Tocchet will take all the interviews he can even if he ultimately knows he's going to take the Philly job (or wherever he lands.)
IMO, the dye was cast when Torts was fired in Philly back in March. Everything that's followed has been window dressing.
Don't get me wrong. Tocchet is free to do what is best for himself. I just won't praise him for being indecisive and stringing Rutherford along.
I generally don't believe 100% of what Rutherford says but I have no reason to doubt him. Rutherford obviously needed to address Tocchet leaving but what Rutherford said is also consistent with what Tocchet said in his last press conference here. Even the contemporaneous reporting we got the "reasons" that Tocchett might not return involved money, Hughes' future, practice facility, but not "family reasons."
Right and that's just selfish and you would have wasted the interviewer/company's time (I would say the same thing if the situation is reversed). Regardless, in this case here, Rutherford was a boss he has a relationship with for years. If he wants to interview for jobs elsewhere he could have been up front about that. Again, don't get me wrong, business is business and people are allowed to do what's best for themselves.
Similarly, I was one of those critical of the way Boudreau was let go while acknowledging that Boudreau was under contract and Rutherford and Allvin were 100% entitled to keeping Boudreau until the time Tocchet was ready to take over.
No one is talking about whether it's realistic or not. Me personally, I would interview for jobs just in case my #1 choice falls through. But I would never interview for a job I have no interest in taking regardless of the offer. That's just me. I would certainly not tell my boss that I'm leaving because I want to work closer to home only to find a job with a company across the street. I would be ashamed to do that.
TruGr1t
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It's pretty obviously ownership, and anyone not cluing into that is being willfully blind. This team is blatantly not trying to win.
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I heard Miller is going to run for President and together with Tocchett they will make North America Great Again.
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Either way , Tocchet deserves to be booed the next time he shows up in Vancouver. Even if it was a blessing in disguise. Hes a quitter
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But Boston's ownership appears to be no different. In win now mode regardless of what point the team is on, in the cycle. Firing coaches just because. Stumping up for free agents with the hope that they will make the team just good enough
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Dude, the Bruins have missed the playoffs three times since 2008. Aquilini can only dream of that kind of playoff revenue. If the Canucks went on a near 20-year run of making the playoffs I wouldn't even complain about it.
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I knew someone was going to say that. But the last 2 Boston coach firings and the last 2 off seasons have been very Aqualini. So if Tocchet didn't like that about Van , he won't like it there either
There has been a "change of ownership" in that oversight passed from father to children.
With that said, it's not like the Bruins didn't have good decades and bad decades. This is the same franchise that traded Joe Thornton. A lot of Bruins fans want Neely and Sweeney gone as well.
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Oliewud
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completely destroys the team, runs for the hills and you GAIN RESPECT?
My god, some people really live in an alternate reality.
rypper
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Your perception of the situation leads me to believe you live in an alternate reality.
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