Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return (UPD May 13: Tocchet to coach Flyers)

[tantalum]

They can use team facilities but team staff, ie skills coaches, etc are no go or limited.

Fair enough. I still don’t think it’s that big of a deal to players. Most go back home to train anyways,

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Went and took a look at the thread in Philly's forum and they aren't happy lol.

 

[F A N]

And I would disagree with that generalization, when you're in the NHL coaching fraternity every candidate is at the "top of their field" and there are limited jobs to go around, its pretty common for coaches to interview in multiple places....but by not being lazy and explaining it at least I have an idea of what you're saying, so thank you.

Well Willie D is a two time NHL head coach and part of the "NHL coaching fraternity." So too is Marc Crawford who has a Stanley Cup and coached multiple teams. Are you suggesting that they are at the "top of their field" relative to a Jon Cooper? Paul Maurice? You think that had Cooper and Maurice been available these two need to interview at every single opening just in case their top choice didn't make them an offer? Do you think Mike Sullivan interviewed in Seattle or Vancouver "just in case" the Rangers didn't offer him the HC job?

 

[December5th]

hire quinn hughes dad

 

[I am toxic]

They can organize practices and use the facilities (including gym, food) but cannot have team personnel involved in any way. They can even have their own coaches but they can't be team affiliated.

Canucks were fined 2 years ago for having the Sedins on the ice with a few Canucks for informal summer on ice sessions.

So is the MOU that expanded Rule 15.11 of the CBA still in effect,and if so did Ruthervin violate that when it was suggested Petey should stay in Vancouver this summer and work with Canucks resources?

 

[F A N]

So is the MOU that expanded Rule 15.11 of the CBA still in effect,and if so did Ruthervin violate that when it was suggested Petey should stay in Vancouver this summer and work with Canucks resources?

I think simply staying in Vancouver and using Canucks' training facilities and trainers does no equate to being in a "conditioning camp". I think it's working with coaches or front office personnel (which includes the Sedins who are in player development) which violates the rule and particularly if it's on ice.

 

[Canucker]

Well Willie D is a two time NHL head coach and part of the "NHL coaching fraternity." So too is Marc Crawford who has a Stanley Cup and coached multiple teams. Are you suggesting that they are at the "top of their field" relative to a Jon Cooper? Paul Maurice? You think that had Cooper and Maurice been available these two need to interview at every single opening just in case their top choice didn't make them an offer? Do you think Mike Sullivan interviewed in Seattle or Vancouver "just in case" the Rangers didn't offer him the HC job?

I think what you are suggesting is a false narrative...we're wandering off into the weeds of "what ifs" and examining coaches who aren't considered candidates for anything anymore.

My opinion is that Mike Sullivan did "interview" for the Canucks job in likely the same fashion as Tocchet interviewed for the Kraken job...Management made a phone call had a discussion about the available opening, both Tocchet and Sullivan obliged the discussion and interest, but declined because they knew they had potential to coach elsewhere that was more desirable to them. I think it was as simple as that.

 

[Bubbles]

So is the MOU that expanded Rule 15.11 of the CBA still in effect,and if so did Ruthervin violate that when it was suggested Petey should stay in Vancouver this summer and work with Canucks resources?

Yes, it's still in effect. Merely suggesting it isn't going to get them in trouble.

Rutherford is an old man that can't remember the finer details of the CBA. Allvin got dinged once so he should know by now! (didn't know the 1st time)

 

[I am toxic]

Yes, it's still in effect. Merely suggesting it isn't going to get them in trouble.

Rutherford is an old man that can't remember the finer details of the CBA. Allvin got dinged once so he should know by now! (didn't know the 1st time)

Here is Wagner on it, the previous time:

Clubs are not permitted to request or encourage Players to come to the Club’s home city during the off-season to utilize the Club’s arena/training/practice facility(ies) and/or to train with Club Coaching or Hockey Operations personnel.

I presume the training staff are considered hockey operations

And I assume any facility arranged for by the club would qualify

But maybe I am missing something

 

[ManVanFan]

Went and took a look at the thread in Philly's forum and they aren't happy lol.

I'm hoping he requests Garland there.

 

[Bubbles]

Here is Wagner on it, the previous time:



I presume the training staff are considered hockey operations

And I assume any facility arranged for by the club would qualify

But maybe I am missing something

That's up to the league if Rutherford's or Tocchet's comments about coming to Vancouver early are violations. Since they haven't been fined by now, I think it's a moot point.

Trainers are definitely considered personnel.

 

[andora]

Such a Pejorative Slured rule

 

[LuckyDay]

I just want to add, 4 days later the twitter exchange I posted had a thread bump, since we discussed it for a bit here thought id share..



LOLOLOL

If you watched the American feed, even they said it was a next to impossible angle right after he scored it.
Used to remember Lemieux scoring from that angle all the time. That's the kind of skill it takes to score that on a regular basis.

 

[LuckyDay]

Once again, I think people are forgetting there are credible leaks that Philadelphia was pursuing him back in February and the Canucks complained to the league about it. In the tweet above, Burke even brings it up.

This was not a sudden decision and he already made his mind up back then.

 

[arttk]

Went and took a look at the thread in Philly's forum and they aren't happy lol.

Michkov is going to get some reprogramming soon

 

[TruGr1t]

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I argued with some people here in this thread (I think) where I said I thought Tochett was forced out, and that I think he's a stand-up guy who wouldn't walk out on his team. I was wrong. Good f***ing riddance.

 

[F A N]

I think what you are suggesting is a false narrative...we're wandering off into the weeds of "what ifs" and examining coaches who aren't considered candidates for anything anymore.

I am only going by what you wrote: "when you're in the NHL coaching fraternity every candidate is at the 'top of their field'"

Willie D and Marc Crawford are part of the NHL coaching fraternity no? Were those two realistically a candidate for one of the NHL head coaching positions whereby they received interviews? We know Tocchet received interviews.

My opinion is that Mike Sullivan did "interview" for the Canucks job in likely the same fashion as Tocchet interviewed for the Kraken job...Management made a phone call had a discussion about the available opening, both Tocchet and Sullivan obliged the discussion and interest, but declined because they knew they had potential to coach elsewhere that was more desirable to them. I think it was as simple as that.

You can believe what you want but Rutherford calling Sullivan up after he parted ways with the Penguins is not the same as an "interview."

It was never reported that Sullivan "interviewed" for the Canucks job but you believe what you want.

 

[Vector]

Why He Left

• Was looking to get a fresh start and go back East
• Had an incredible experience in Vancouver; shouts out the fans
• Hard to explain why when there were so many positives
• Would be lying if he said that not having a practice facility wasn’t a factor; it’s not that bad in Vancouver; UBC facility is nice and “not horrible”
• Jack Adams is a team award
• Had no problem with the media, loves them, and it’s a big fallacy that they chased him out of town

Last Season

• Was really excited for the past season but couldn’t regain the momentum they had last season

Pettersson vs Miller

• Was Tocchet’s responsibility to make it work and they tried
• Probably could have done some different things; mentions getting to it earlier, like at training camp
• A lot of people tried to make their relationship work
• There’s a lot of mental aspects to the game now, outside noise, and are dealing with players with a lot of stuff on their plate; this is compared to when he played

Adam Foote

• Is a great choice and great guy
• Knew he would eventually be named a head coach
• Great at relationships and knows the organization
• Still talk to each other and are going to help each other
• The fans deserve a winner

Transition from Assistant to Head Coach

• Gave Foote a lot of autonomy
• Told Foote not to be afraid to educate the media or explain things; sometimes the media will take a shot at you; have to have thick skin
• Is lucky to have Allvin as his GM because he’s one of the best communicators Tocchet has ever had

State of the Team

• Canucks have great goaltending
• Loves the defence and says they will probably even improve it again
• Canucks and Flyers both have to find some centremen

Allegations About Quitting on the Team

• Understands why some fans say that
• Sometimes in life you hit a crossroads and you have to go with your convictions
• Was about an evolution of his life
• It’s a passionate fanbase and they want a winner
• Says Vancouver is one of the top 3 or 4 cities who would go crazy if you win them a Stanley Cup
• They went to the 2nd round and couldn’t believe what he saw from the fans

First Game Back in Vancouver

• Points out he got booed when he was first hired
• Doesn’t know what to expect
• He announced a Penguins draft pick while the draft was in Philadelphia and got booed

Elias Pettersson

• From the bottom of his heart, believes Pettersson will have a bounceback season
• Had some long talks with together when Tocchet was still deciding on his future
• Is a great kid that needs to get his own confidence back and earn back the confidence of his teammates
• What he meant by “reprogramming” was that Pettersson likes to slow the game down but today’s game takes room away fast; was talking about getting the puck and immediately taking off or attacking right after you beat pressure
• Knows Pettersson wished he came into camp in better shape
• Has to evolve his game
• Really believes that he’s going to have a good year
• Foote is really good with relationships
• Thinks Pettersson “has had enough”

Copy-Cat League

• Look at the Panthers; a lot of depth that play a very straight ahead, dump & chase system; terrific pressure players
• Need to coach to your personnel
• Is a big Pete DeBoer fan; points out how he’s been in the Conference Finals 6 of the last 7 years and has been fired twice; jokes about this is why Tocchet wanted a 5 year deal

Parting Message

• Is rooting for the team to be a winner; the fanbase deserves it
• Ownership is trying to get them a winner and will do whatever it takes

 

[I am toxic]

Why He Left

• Was looking to get a fresh start and go back East
• Had an incredible experience in Vancouver; shouts out the fans
• Hard to explain why when there were so many positives
• Would be lying if he said that not having a practice facility wasn’t a factor; it’s not that bad in Vancouver; UBC facility is nice and “not horrible”
• Jack Adams is a team award
• Had no problem with the media, loves them, and it’s a big fallacy that they chased him out of town

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am pretty sure the real reason Toccs left is mods couldn't control the rabble here

 

[Orr4Norris]

Why he left:
Easier travel, cushier facilities, USA.

But thanks Vancouver for reviving my coaching career! Couldn’t have done it without you.

 

[Nucky]

• What he meant by “reprogramming” was that Pettersson likes to slow the game down but today’s game takes room away fast; was talking about getting the puck and immediately taking off or attacking right after you beat pressure

Don't really get this, the guy had 100 pts just 2 seasons ago, he's telling us that the game has changed that much in 2 years?

 

[4th line culture]

Don't really get this, the guy had 100 pts just 2 seasons ago, he's telling us that the game has changed that much in 2 years?

He changed his game, it didnt work out, so he bounced

 

[Nick Lang]

I argued with some people here in this thread (I think) where I said I thought Tochett was forced out, and that I think he's a stand-up guy who wouldn't walk out on his team. I was wrong. Good f***ing riddance.

I think it's completely unrealistic to expect a coach should just stay here forever at your bequest to meet pressure. He contract was not extended. People move on ... he made a personal life choice for what he thought would be best. It happens. My goodness ... the expectations people have are completely unrealistic. Would you make a major life changing decision to appease a bunch of hockey fans if it wasn't in your best interest?

 

[Bubbles]

Why he left: