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Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return (UPD May 13: Tocchet to coach Flyers)

VanJack said:
I remember wondering two years ago if 'Tocchet hockey' would have a 'shelf life'. It required a maximum effort and buy-in from his players night after night. You wondered if it was sustainable.

I think the answer last season, is that it probably wasn't. And we're about to find out if his approach will work in Philly. I anticipate some early success. But over the long term, you have to wonder.
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I don't think we saw that at all.

Last season tanked for 4 main reasons :

1) They got the mix on the blueline totally wrong to start the year.
2) The bizarre/unexpected Pettersson/Miller debacle.
3) Our Vezina-level goalie got hurt and we plummeted to the 25th-best save% in the NHL.
4) Our unsustainably terrible OT record.

None of those is really 'the shelf life ran out on the coach' and I thought it reflected very well on the coaching staff actually that the team was still in playoff contention in a year when *everything* went wrong, and that the compete level and detail orientation from the team was still very strong in the back half of the season last year.

If we had something as simple as 'Silovs delivers league average goaltending' or 'we had a .500 OT record' we would have made the playoffs in spite of everything else.
 
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F A N said:
Sure. Nobody is obligated to do anything other than what they feel is in their best interests. But again, we are also free to criticize him (which you are taking issue with).
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I don't really take issue with simple criticisms of Rick Tocchet, I have plenty of them myself...I just don't believe using his "meet pressure with pressure" credo (or whichever other credo he used as a coaching tool) against him is a valid criticism for his departure.
 
Canucker said:
I don't really take issue with simple criticisms of Rick Tocchet, I have plenty of them myself...I just don't believe using his "meet pressure with pressure" credo (or whichever other credo he used as a coaching tool) against him is a valid criticism for his departure.
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I don't see what the big deal is. I do think the criticism is "valid" given that we lack information. What we were told is that Tocchet left for family reasons and it was heavily implied that he wanted to move back out East to be closer to family (even though I think his offseason home is in Vegas and his son is in Seattle). Then we heard that he interviewed for the Seattle job. So if that gave Canucks fans the impression that he simply bailed on the team then I think it's "valid criticism." Without the interview in Seattle many of us would have assumed that he was targeting the Penguins and Flyers' job. Again, nothing wrong with him leveraging or using the Canucks and Kraken to get what he got from the Flyers.
 
F A N said:
I don't see what the big deal is. I do think the criticism is "valid" given that we lack information. What we were told is that Tocchet left for family reasons and it was heavily implied that he wanted to move back out East to be closer to family (even though I think his offseason home is in Vegas and his son is in Seattle). Then we heard that he interviewed for the Seattle job. So if that gave Canucks fans the impression that he simply bailed on the team then I think it's "valid criticism." Without the interview in Seattle many of us would have assumed that he was targeting the Penguins and Flyers' job. Again, nothing wrong with him leveraging or using the Canucks and Kraken to get what he got from the Flyers.
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It's not a big deal to me, I don't really care that he's gone...it seems to be a bigger deal to people who seem to be harboring a lot of ill will towards the guy for moving on...who really cares why he wanted out? Chances are he was hopeful to get the Philly job but didn't want to put his eggs in one basket...when you're out of work and looking for a job, people tend to interview in multiple places and then hope for the job that you want most to make you an offer. I guess if you only look at it through the lens that he had an offer to maintain the status quo and stay in Vancouver and chose somewhere else, then sure, he "bailed" on the team...but I think you need to be pretty emotionally abnormal to be butthurt about it. Maybe I'm just not a big enough fan anymore? lol
 
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Canucker said:
It's not a big deal to me, I don't really care that he's gone...it seems to be a bigger deal to people who seem to be harboring a lot of ill will towards the guy for moving on...who really cares why he wanted out? Chances are he was hopeful to get the Philly job but didn't want to put his eggs in one basket...when you're out of work and looking for a job, people tend to interview in multiple places and then hope for the job that you want most to make you an offer. I guess if you only look at it through the lens that he had an offer to maintain the status quo and stay in Vancouver and chose somewhere else, then sure, he "bailed" on the team...but I think you need to be pretty emotionally abnormal to be butthurt about it. Maybe I'm just not a big enough fan anymore? lol
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Perhaps you're just thinking others are making a bigger deal than they really are? These days the majority of posts tend to exhibit strong emotions. Now are people here really "butthurt" that Tocchet left? I'm not sure that is the case.

I also disagree with your generalizations. People don't turn down millions of dollars for implied reasons to move back out East only to interview for a job close by because he's now unemployed. Plus he wasn't exactly unemployed. He had the TNT job.
 
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Yeah I don't think the people saying he left despite what he preaches are but hurt at all. I don't think anyone here has really said wish he stayed or anything of the sort. I think the other side is more involved in this and are making the bigger deal being honest.
 
F A N said:
Perhaps you're just thinking others are making a bigger deal than they really are? These days the majority of posts tend to exhibit strong emotions. Now are people here really "butthurt" that Tocchet left? I'm not sure that is the case.

I also disagree with your generalizations. People don't turn down millions of dollars for implied reasons to move back out East only to interview for a job close by because he's now unemployed. Plus he wasn't exactly unemployed. He had the TNT job.
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Vilifying Tocchet for leaving (and this is not just aimed at @racerjoe whom i respect as a poster), and I've seen plenty of people demonizing the guy, from his gambling felony to something about a hot ex-girlfriend (which I'm oddly curious about now as I haven't heard that gossip...lol)...there is a level of "discontentment" about his departure that seems a little over the top. And I'm not saying people aren't entitled to their own opinions on this, I just don't find it a valid reason for criticism.

You disagree that people don't generally make personal decisions based on their own best interests? Because thats what I was saying...I think you would be in the vast minority if thats the case.
 
Canucker said:
Vilifying Tocchet for leaving (and this is not just aimed at @racerjoe whom i respect as a poster), and I've seen plenty of people demonizing the guy, from his gambling felony to something about a hot ex-girlfriend (which I'm oddly curious about now as I haven't heard that gossip...lol)...there is a level of "discontentment" about his departure that seems a little over the top. And I'm not saying people aren't entitled to their own opinions on this, I just don't find it a valid reason for criticism.
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Sure if the criticisms are over the top they are over the top and you're entitled to your opinion. I don't think I have been over the top in my criticism. Even if he went to jail for his felony he would have done his time by now so I also don't hold that against him. As for hot ex-girlfriend, are you talking about MS' comment? If so I think you missed the point.

Canucker said:
You disagree that people don't generally make personal decisions based on their own best interests? Because thats what I was saying...I think you would be in the vast minority if thats the case.
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It's your generalized examples I disagree with.
 
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would be nice if the league gave us a third round pick for tampering, especially if it can count as “our” third for offer sheet purposes, but otherwise i am not fussed about this and wish tocchet well
 
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MS said:
Tocchet gave a lot of lip service about caring about the team/franchise/city and then it turns out that as soon as his hot ex-GF in Philly broke up with someone else he was negotiating with them while still under contract with us. He can go f*** himself.
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I am sure a coach who struggled to produce offence will thrive with a team that only had two players break 50 points, one player break 70 points, and none of them go point-per-game. At least they must be a defensive juggernaut with solid goaltending, right?
 
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F A N said:
Sure if the criticisms are over the top they are over the top and you're entitled to your opinion. I don't think I have been over the top in my criticism. Even if he went to jail for his felony he would have done his time by now so I also don't hold that against him. As for hot ex-girlfriend, are you talking about MS' comment? If so I think you missed the point.


It's your generalized examples I disagree with.
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Yeah, a tongue in cheek comment I missed on first read....but unless the "he can go f*** himself" comment was tongue in cheek as well, it seems a little extreme, no? And no, I don't recall seeing anything from you that was over the top, but I also can't say I've read every comment on this 35-page thread either. :laugh:

Do you have a specific generalized comment as an example?
 
MS said:
Tocchet gave a lot of lip service about caring about the team/franchise/city and then it turns out that as soon as his hot ex-GF in Philly broke up with someone else he was negotiating with them while still under contract with us. He can go f*** himself.
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Doesn't take a lot to figure out that Torts and Flyers given the season they were having were not going to return in 25/26. If RT wanted that job, fine, not much you can do if a guy prefers another destination, though aside from location and personal preferences, is Phi really in a great position over the duration of his contract?

Not the first nor the last one that will leave Van to head back east.
 
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MS said:
Tocchet gave a lot of lip service about caring about the team/franchise/city and then it turns out that as soon as his hot ex-GF in Philly broke up with someone else he was negotiating with them while still under contract with us. He can go f*** himself.
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Vancouver announced that Tocchett would not be returning and 2 weeks later, Tocchett got another job coaching. Any negotiating done while under contract is an unsubstantiated opinion by some.

Pat Quinn gave a lot of lip service about caring about the team/franchise/city and then it turns out that as soon as his hot ex-GF in Vancouver broke up with someone else, he was negotiating with them while still under contract with LA. Then, he signed a contract with Vancouver while under contract with LA. NHL disagreed with his actions and prevented him from coaching for over 2 seasons.

They are similar stories with some key differences. Bottom line, I am glad the team has a new coach that does want to be here.
 
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Vancouver announced that Tocchett would not be returning and 2 weeks later, Tocchett got another job coaching. Any negotiating done while under contract is an unsubstantiated opinion by some.

Pat Quinn gave a lot of lip service about caring about the team/franchise/city and then it turns out that as soon as his hot ex-GF in Vancouver broke up with someone else, he was negotiating with them while still under contract with LA. Then, he signed a contract with Vancouver while under contract with LA. NHL disagreed with his actions and prevented him from coaching for over 2 seasons.

They are similar stories with some key differences. Bottom line, I am glad the team has a new coach that does want to be here.
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i’ve been aware of this story for many many years, but damn this is a juicy wrinkle i’d never heard before
 
Canucker said:
It's not a big deal to me, I don't really care that he's gone...it seems to be a bigger deal to people who seem to be harboring a lot of ill will towards the guy for moving on...who really cares why he wanted out? Chances are he was hopeful to get the Philly job but didn't want to put his eggs in one basket...when you're out of work and looking for a job, people tend to interview in multiple places and then hope for the job that you want most to make you an offer. I guess if you only look at it through the lens that he had an offer to maintain the status quo and stay in Vancouver and chose somewhere else, then sure, he "bailed" on the team...but I think you need to be pretty emotionally abnormal to be butthurt about it. Maybe I'm just not a big enough fan anymore? lol
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I'm with you on this Canucker. I don't really care that Tocchet left and I'm not mad at him for leaving.

To me, his positivity toward the team and management is what all coaches display. He wasn't unique in this regard. But he had a very tough year. Not only did he lose the PDO hit rate from last year, his team fell to the basement in expected goals for this year. They generated nothing. That isn't explained by the goalie situation or the Pettersson/Miller situation. He found himself, imo, without answers by the end.

So maybe it was the right time for him to get a fresh start.

Brian Burke relayed that there was chatter of him leaving back in February. Before Tortorella was fired. I don't even think missing the playoffs played into his decision. We'll never know though...
 
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MS said:
Tocchet gave a lot of lip service about caring about the team/franchise/city and then it turns out that as soon as his hot ex-GF in Philly broke up with someone else he was negotiating with them while still under contract with us. He can go f*** himself.
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Like I said, he’s a quitter. Maybe the pressure was too strong for him. Perhaps he didn’t apply enough pressure.
 
I, for one, won't miss the cringey catch phrases that were introduced each year.

"Meet Pressure with Pressure" - f*** off.

"60% of the Time, it Works 100% of The Time"
 
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