I think Canes probably put in a sweetener because I would imagine Konecny has a little bit more value than Pesce. Overall I think the frame work is there. Flyers get a boatload of futures for TK, Sabres get their 2/3 RHD and Canes get their winger. Only thing I would say is that TK is a RW I believe, which is less needed on the Canes but maybe we could move things around to look like this.
Yams is much like Olafsson from Buffalo. He's not a positive for us in any way. You may not view him as a negative but for us, that's a roster spot and cap space on a player we don't need/want. So, adding a decent/good prospect and some sort of pick isn't really moving the needle much.
Do you ever think before you type? Hes in the last year of his contract. With your little obsession with the Oilers you should probably know that. Maybe focus on your Canucks or whatever team is yours
I think the Ekholm trade is the right spot to start for a Pesce trade.
I see it a little different.
That seems like a huge overpay for a one-year rental -- I doubt Adams would trade him for Rosen straight up.
Jesus Christ... keep all your prospects and just be OK with not getting good quality NHL players via trade.
I think you make the trade with some insight into if Pesce re-signs.
The rough valuation-decay of a year's delay on a draft pick, not accounting for better-or-worse drafts, is approximately 1 round.
Delusional if you don’t think Holland wants to go out on a high note, and not be known as an over the hill GM who couldn’t succeed with McDavid. This is Holland’s last and final hurrah.
I'd love to see the metrics which support the valuation, and when the valuation of a pick actually increases. Seems to be a little arbitrary without any historical support which lays out what NHL GMs will typically value an out year 1st as.
Outside of term, which would be moot because a trade only makes sense with an extension, how specifically is Ekholm better than Pesce?
Have these skills been acquired over a very long career? If so, I'm very Taken by this offer.
Right but Ekholm is at $6.25M/year and let's say Pesce is signed and traded or traded and extended at a similar amount, which seems reasonable, for argument's sake. With that as a premise, I'm really just interested in specifics around the other poster's definitive claim that Ekholm > Pesce.
As a Canes fan I would do this if negotiations go poorly enough that we won't be extending him. Do prefer to just get him extended though.
I don't remember where that came from, some talking head, and embarrassingly, now I that I about it, I think he was talking about NFL picks during that draft a few years ago. So, not necessarily relevant. I'd like data for that though as well. People here act like the picks have equivalent value for delayed years when they clearly wouldn't.
Not really. Ekholm had the rest of the 22-23 season and has 3 years left.
Sabres fans would need to know what 'futures' means.
Rosen is a winger, who despite being a little small, will go to the tough spots on the ice. His speed and skill are really his best traits. He's got a great shot and is a good playmakers. High hockey IQ. He's not a throw in prospect. Buffalo is just deep in skilled and fast forwards right now.
And Pesce is younger with a lot left to give, which was the criticism of a potential Ekholm trade.
As mentioned, I think the value would vary based on Pesce coming with an extension that is agreeable to Buffalo. The tricky thing is that is would have to be at a number/term that is too high for Carolina to want to just keep him, but not so high that Buffalo doesn't like the deal.
