Maybe that is still true...you could go conspiracy theory and say that the Canes are just a conduit to get Jake under contract and then he will be traded to team "X" once the season starts and LTIR kicks in--especially if said team needs to move out a contract to sign him. I'm going Gardiner for Kapanen...you heard it here first!
Confirmed with Link: Canes Sign Defenseman Jake Gardiner to 4 Year Contract
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Maybe that is still true...you could go conspiracy theory and say that the Canes are just a conduit to get Jake under contract and then he will be traded to team "X" once the season starts and LTIR kicks in--especially if said team needs to move out a contract to sign him. I'm going Gardiner for Kapanen...you heard it here first!
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Good shit. DW must have practiced for this offseason by playing NHL 19.
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I know its not my board, but you guys got an absolute stud in Jake. Assuming he fully bounces back after the back issues, you can add another top-30 defenseman in the entire league to the three you already have, and he'd really be a perfect partner to either Dougie or Pesce.
People will say he's mistake-prone and poor defensively, but he ALWAYS grades out as one of the better defensive defenseman in the league and its because shots/chances just never go on his own net when he's on the ice. He's also arguably a top-10 offensive defenseman even taking the points out of the equation. The hiccups will come, some of us call them "misjakes", but people see them more because they're looking for them. He'll also do about 99 things right before that happens. Gotta live with it when you have a guy who can do what he does.
Can't wait to crush you guys in the conference finals, but I'm cheering for Jake if you guys make it past us.
People will say he's mistake-prone and poor defensively, but he ALWAYS grades out as one of the better defensive defenseman in the league and its because shots/chances just never go on his own net when he's on the ice. He's also arguably a top-10 offensive defenseman even taking the points out of the equation. The hiccups will come, some of us call them "misjakes", but people see them more because they're looking for them. He'll also do about 99 things right before that happens. Gotta live with it when you have a guy who can do what he does.
Can't wait to crush you guys in the conference finals, but I'm cheering for Jake if you guys make it past us.
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Hey man, we did our decade in the hole.
I love the sound of this and it sounds similar to a reasonable criticism of Hamilton (lots of good plays, an occasional high-profile error like last year vs WAS.)
But for that reason, I'm not sure if Gardiner-Hamilton is what I want to see at even strength. Let Slavin & Pesce be ready to cover for the occasional brain cramp.
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McGinn will be in the NHL and Geekie won't. He's at least a full season away. And you missed a bunch of our Finnish forward prospects, who may be the best in the bunch: Puistola, Tieksola and Killinen.
Poturalski, Roy (for Haula) and Saarela (for Forsberg/Forsling) were traded or left via free agency this summer. Hofmann is a non-prospect and should be deleted.
I heart Sellgren, but he should only be on the list once. van Riemsdyk and Fleury will be in the NHL and Bean won't. de Jong was unsigned and is a free agent.
But yes, a top 10 NHL roster, a top 10 pipeline and six top 100 picks next season is certainly a nice place to be.
We are a happy group right now.
The next shoe to drop is Gardiner asking Jeff Hamilton if he'd un-retire his old #51.
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I rarely post anything in any thread as a leaf fan I just want to say Jake is a great player every dman makes mistakes and in my city it's amplified even more hopefully the perception will change about him now that he's on your squad and at that price this is a pure win for you guys
If Fleury could handle playing his off-side, trade van Riemsdyk.
Late in 3rd periods, Brind'Amour could flex to:
Slavin - Pesce
Fleury/Gardiner - Faulk
Gardiner/Fleury - Hamilton
when leading and:
Slavin - Hamilton
Gardiner - Faulk
Fleury - Pesce
when trailing.
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The Freakin' Carolina Hurricanes being the model franchise in the NHL makes me want to weep, and then, seriously question my priorities in life.
I know everyone is assuming Faulk is the one moved shortly to make space, but to me, this seems to solidify Hamilton on the way out very soon as he has a higher cap hit than faulk, he has no trade protections, he plays less defense, and we brought in a guy who is considered more offensive oriented on the left hand side that can fill some of what we would lose. If true, that would give us a defensive line up of:
Slavin - Pesce
Gardiner - Faulk
(kid) - TvR
My bet is we circle back to the Jets and offer Hamilton+ for Ehlers or Laine. They need RHD and a lower cap hit. Hamilton gives them a good RHD for a good cap cost and they could move Ehlers to sign the two RFAs or they could keep Ehlers and move one of the RFAs.
Slavin - Pesce
Gardiner - Faulk
(kid) - TvR
My bet is we circle back to the Jets and offer Hamilton+ for Ehlers or Laine. They need RHD and a lower cap hit. Hamilton gives them a good RHD for a good cap cost and they could move Ehlers to sign the two RFAs or they could keep Ehlers and move one of the RFAs.
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If Gardiner can help produce a competent PP, the PK being weakened won't be as big a deal.
the other possibility is that Waddell is trying to correct the one anomaly he has on defense...Dougie Hamilton. Not that Dougie isn't good or effective or valuable but he's..............Canadian! (play mystery solved conclusory music here)
FreshSeabass
Aho!
We just have to leave about league min - 1M size in cap space to add willy in Jan-Feb.
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I'm pretty well floored here...I kinda was wondering for a while if the whole "sign Gardiner, trade Faulk" scenario would happen and half of it has. Honestly, it's gotta be either Faulk or Hamilton out, otherwise you've got Slavin as the only real PK/defensive D-man in our top 4. Unless we really plan on rolling them all? There's definitely something the GMBC is doing here, an actual plan that they're trying to bring together, with regards to these "value" contracts. I mean, Nino, Haula, Dzingle, Gardiner, Aho contract, TT contract...what "bad" contracts are on this team? Somehow, with one of the deepest defensive cores in the NHL, we managed to convince a young guy like Priskie AND a bona-fide top 4 NHL d-man in Gardiner to join us (plus McKeown re-signed), and this is after we signed and traded a top 4 d-man in 1 year, and rumors of one of our long-time d-men (Faulk) possibly headed out the door. There has been a LOT of roster turnover, yet we're signing UFAs! And young prospects! And on-paper seem to be improving bit by bit! I think perhaps despite the threat of turnover, being traded away, and tough competition for a roster spot, we're being seen as a legit enough contender for players to risk it with us!
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I keep seeing people knock Gardiner about his defensive mistakes on the ice. But when we have guys like Slavin and Pesce on the other side of the pairing, we have the luxury of putting guys out there who can drive offensive play, because those defensive lapses will mostly be covered up by the other half of the pairing. (Which, as an aside, frustrated me a bit about Faulk not really breaking out this year when paired with either of those 2).
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I'd put that top 4 up against anyone else in the league. Two lines of shutdown defense paired with upper tier offensive ability. This defense is so stacked.
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I'd put that top 4 up against anyone else in the league. Two lines of shutdown defense paired with upper tier offensive ability. This defense is so stacked.
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Anton Dubinchuk
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Williams gonna be announcing his retirement tomorrow like "well I left the door cracked and the Canes slammed it in my face" lol.
Marleau. I mean, it would take a 1st to get rid of that albatross of a contract.
Anton Dubinchuk
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Also - there go the "how will middle pairing UFA defensemen sign 4 year deals with us after Calvin de Haan got stabbed in the back?" theories.
FreshSeabass
Aho!
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Didn't Hamilton lead all NHL defensemen in goals or points over the second half of the season this past year?
Nah, we aren't trading him. If anyone is going to go, it has to be Faulk, if only because we have Hamilton locked up for another year, where Faulk is going to be looking for an upgrade next summer.
