Friedman: Canes likely moving on from Necas.

[nbwingsfan]

To play center and get paid a lot

Necas for Ullmark + seems like a great fit

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Necas for Ullmark + seems like a great fit

Goalies don’t have that value especially with one with bad playoff performances.

 

[Gurglesons]

Goalies don’t have that value especially with one with bad playoff performances.

Neither do 50-60 point RFA wingers.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don't understand why the Canes would give KK a longterm contract when he never deserved it or proved he was worth it, and won't give Necas one after he has proved he's worth it and is deserving of it.

What exactly is the strategy here?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don't understand why the Canes would give KK a longterm contract when he never deserved it or proved he was worth it, and won't give Necas one after he has proved he's worth it and is deserving of it.

What exactly is the strategy here?

Its not on the canes. Its necas. Situations are independent of each other

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Its not on the canes. Its necas. Situations are independent of each other

How is it Necas?

 

[biturbo19]

He can re-sign aftet July 1st, and with the Jets under-utilizing him he won't cost a lot

Another absolutely sparkling example of where JFresh doesn't have the slightest bit of a clue and those charts are basically made up eye candy.

Ehlers played like 80% of his even strength minutes (Top-5 in EVTOI GP overall) with at least one if not more of Scheifele/Connor/Perfetti or Monahan/Toffoli after the trade. That's undeniably Top-6 deployment. That's playing with offensive players in Top-6 minutes. His stupid graphical interpretation model just doesn't know how to account for a beastly huge minutes matchup Center like Lowry eating up icetime. People gripe because Appleton plays a lot at even strength...but it's purely because he plays extensively with Lowry in a matchup "shutdown" capacity. Just happens to be a huge chunk of minutes because you want Lowry out there a ton, whichever coach you are really.

Even the Powerplay thing is totally overblown. Multiple coaches haven't liked Ehlers fit there, but they still hand him boatload of powerplay minutes anyway. It's just not always first unit minutes because he doesn't mesh well with other personnel involved.


Calling his deployment "3rd Liner" is ridiculous and demonstrates a lack of any nuance in a completely flawed stat-brain analysis that isn't even looking at the right stats.

No idea what sort of point you’re trying to make here.

The Jets don’t value Ehlers?

I think the main point is that JFresh charts are utterly useless.


But the secondary point might be that...Ehlers is of next to zero use to Carolina anyway. But idk.

If Canes were to swap Necas for an impending UFA...it'd surely be for someone who actually fills a need. A Nelson, Buchnevich, Konecny type. But that's still pretty much the polar opposite of how the Canes have done business under Dundon. And have still expressed very little interest in signing older UFAs to long-term deals. Though maybe the Guentzel thing is a sign that the paradigm is shifting a little bit to accomodate for something like that.


A Brock Nelson for Necas trade would certainly be an interesting pivot in direction from both clubs. But i don't see it happening. It'd lock down a real #2C for Carolina and a goal-scorer to boot. It'd re-orient the Isles more back toward the future a bit, getting younger.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

How is it Necas?

Necas wants to play on the 1st line ambut he hasn’t taken it. Svech the year before and Jarvis this year took his spot

 

[nbwingsfan]

Goalies don’t have that value especially with one with bad playoff performances.

Ullmark is a better player and more valuable to a team no doubt. The Canes clearly need a goalie and it’s not like Necas has been greatgr

 

[Channelcat]

Necas will be the 10 million dollar man. I don't see the Habs taking a run at him. He will be hitting his late 20s and early 30s by the time we want to compete.

50 point guys get 10m now? Yikes.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Another absolutely sparkling example of where JFresh doesn't have the slightest bit of a clue and those charts are basically made up eye candy.

Ehlers played like 80% of his even strength minutes (Top-5 in EVTOI GP overall) with at least one if not more of Scheifele/Connor/Perfetti or Monahan/Toffoli after the trade. That's undeniably Top-6 deployment. That's playing with offensive players in Top-6 minutes. His stupid graphical interpretation model just doesn't know how to account for a beastly huge minutes matchup Center like Lowry eating up icetime. People gripe because Appleton plays a lot at even strength...but it's purely because he plays extensively with Lowry in a matchup "shutdown" capacity. Just happens to be a huge chunk of minutes because you want Lowry out there a ton, whichever coach you are really.

Even the Powerplay thing is totally overblown. Multiple coaches haven't liked Ehlers fit there, but they still hand him boatload of powerplay minutes anyway. It's just not always first unit minutes because he doesn't mesh well with other personnel involved.


Calling his deployment "3rd Liner" is ridiculous and demonstrates a lack of any nuance in a completely flawed stat-brain analysis that isn't even looking at the right stats.



I think the main point is that JFresh charts are utterly useless.


But the secondary point might be that...Ehlers is of next to zero use to Carolina anyway. But idk.

If Canes were to swap Necas for an impending UFA...it'd surely be for someone who actually fills a need. A Nelson, Buchnevich, Konecny type. But that's still pretty much the polar opposite of how the Canes have done business under Dundon. And have still expressed very little interest in signing older UFAs to long-term deals. Though maybe the Guentzel thing is a sign that the paradigm is shifting a little bit to accomodate for something like that.


A Brock Nelson for Necas trade would certainly be an interesting pivot in direction from both clubs. But i don't see it happening. It'd lock down a real #2C for Carolina and a goal-scorer to boot. It'd re-orient the Isles more back toward the future a bit, getting younger.

Ya, maybe jfresh should focus his concentration on re-evaluating his numbers and charts.

 

[Zaschrona]

Ullmark and Lysell for Necas and Andersen.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

They're not going outside the organization for a goalie. Kochetkov is a strong bet to be the Game 1 starter next April. Andersen was deference to the established. Kochetkov will be established next season.

 

[Chan790]

Necas for Ullmark + seems like a great fit

Not for Carolina.

I know this is hard to believe, but we're not looking for a goalie. Not in a Necas trade...and not anywhere else. Our goalies next year are the guys we already have.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Faber was likely going to br a very good player coming out of college. Minnesota seeing him play at the University. He was not some maybe prospect and he was a RD which increases his value than if he was a LD

He was not projected to be a #1 D-man. Optimistically he was projected as a #3 who was more defense-oriented

 

[P10p]

If CAR can't afford him, how can MN with their 15M in cap penalties?

Min can afford a sizable contract this offseason and the penalties are done after this year

 

[Unsustainable]

Necas has the x factor to make him a game breaker, but he also out skates the entire team and gets in a hurry to turn over the puck

 

[nbwingsfan]

Not for Carolina.

I know this is hard to believe, but we're not looking for a goalie. Not in a Necas trade...and not anywhere else. Our goalies next year are the guys we already have.

“We don’t need a goalie” is exactly what was said all season long this year too.

Look what happened… you lost due to goaltending.

 

[Forge]

“We don’t need a goalie” is exactly what was said all season long this year too.

Look what happened… you lost due to goaltending.

I think they are going to run with Koch next year. I'm not a canes fan, but I'd be moderately surprised if they make a big goalie move.

Andersen and Koch platooning during the season with Koch taking over the primary one role in the playoffs

 

[Chan790]

“We don’t need a goalie” is exactly what was said all season long this year too.

Look what happened… you lost due to goaltending.

I didn't say "we don't need a goalie"

I said we will not acquire a goalie...as in, our FO refuses to invest beyond the barest minimum in net and believes the best goaltending is a stout defense.

 

[Bruce Granville]

I don't understand why the Canes would give KK a longterm contract when he never deserved it or proved he was worth it, and won't give Necas one after he has proved he's worth it and is deserving of it.

What exactly is the strategy here?

Necas will not sign for less than 5M.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Necas will not sign for less than 5M.

haha selfish arse.

 

[wintersej]

Neither do 50-60 point RFA wingers.

You are both right. This talk of top 4 RD or 2C are f***ing insane. Necas is Ehlers a few years ago.

 

[Forge]

Contract projection on necas for seven years from evolving hockey was 7.5 from what I read. In case anyone was curious what that price point is looking like (not sure on other terms, article only addressed 7 years)

 

[Chan790]

You are both right. This talk of top 4 RD or 2C are f***ing insane. Necas is Ehlers a few years ago.

Need to point something out. It's weird, grind mentality of the Canes front office. Always be unambiguously improving. Every move. Every day. Every game.

The Canes in the Dundon era don't sell or recoup. They won't ever retreat or plan to rebuild. They only do creative destruction to advance...not for the future, in the present. They don't make deals where the expected best asset isn't coming to Carolina or they don't feel like they win the transaction. Like, not even one time.

Outside of marginal asset trades (like Cade Webber for a pick), the Canes don't value or trade for futures. They treat opportunity and cap space as assets with assigned values. Futures are things they tack onto current assets to acquire better assets. That's their trade MO.

There's basically no chance the Canes trade Necas for multiple assets, picks, or futures. There is a virtual certainty they trade Necas either straight across, or more likely, with a plus, possibly a big plus, for what they're looking for.

If they can't get that deal, much like the Pesce offers at the draft last year, they'll kick the can and pull him off the market before they'll make a move that doesn't make them better now than yesterday and fit the plan.

I don't know that it's the right approach. It feels unsustainable and like eventually there's going to be a crash that takes you to the bottom bottom.