Canadiens Havent Had A Point Per Game Player in 16 Years

[kerrabria]

A lot of Leafs fans laugh reacting to this for some reason

Perhaps because Hutson and Demidov have combined to play 40 NHL games.

Zherdev and Filatov put up similar KHL numbers to Demidov after being drafted.

 

[thebestnic]

It's kind of funny....I was just googling Timmins to see timeline of employments in Montreal and read a quick article with the executive summary including this:

Timmins, the Canadiens Director of Amateur Scouting, is considered to be one of the best in the business. Since 2003 (Timmins’ first draft with the organization), they have drafted 82 players in total, including the likes of Carey Price, Ryan McDonagh, Max Pacioretty, P.K. Subban, Brendan Gallagher, and Alex Galchenyuk. So what makes Timmins so good?

He had one great draft in 2007 but was horrible otherwise

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Perhaps because Hutson and Demidov have combined to play 40 NHL games.

Zherdev and Filatov put up similar KHL numbers to Demidov after being drafted.

No they didn’t and that comparison is in very bad faith

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

A lot of Leafs fans laugh reacting to this for some reason

Friendly reminder that Nick Suzuki already beat your team head to head in the playoffs and your team hasn’t won a cup in almost 60 years

Looks at thread subject.....searches for point in poster's response......

 

[kerrabria]

No they didn’t and that comparison is in very bad faith

Yes, they did, and idk what you mean by bad faith. Demidov hasn’t even played on North American ice. Anointing him a p/pg forward is patently absurd.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yes, they did, and idk what you mean by bad faith. Demidov hasn’t even played on North American ice. Anointing him a p/pg forward is patently absurd.

They didn’t and it’s not

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yes, they did, and idk what you mean by bad faith. Demidov hasn’t even played on North American ice. Anointing him a p/pg forward is patently absurd.

In their D+1 season Filatov didn't even play in Russia and Zherdev had 4 points in 20 games. You're just wrong, and Demidov has done it being limited to less than 10 minutes a game for most of the year

 

[behemolari]

Laine is better

 

[kerrabria]

They didn’t and it’s not

In their D+1 season Filatov didn't even play in Russia and Zherdev had 4 points in 20 games. You're just wrong, and Demidov has done it being limited to less than 10 minutes a game for most of the year

Demidov Draft+1 Season - 13g, 31p in 40 GP
Zherdev Draft+2 Season - 19g, 40p in 51 GP
Filatov Draft+2 Season - 9g, 22p in 26 GP

If you're quibbling over Draft+1 or Draft+2, then you're the one arguing in bad faith. But that's what happens when you blindly expect linear development from teenagers.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Demidov Draft+1 Season - 13g, 31p in 40 GP
Zherdev Draft+2 Season - 19g, 40p in 51 GP
Filatov Draft+2 Season - 9g, 22p in 26 GP

If you're quibbling over Draft+1 or Draft+2, then you're the one arguing in bad faith. But that's what happens when you blindly expect linear development from teenagers.

So to be clear, you lied, you’re showing that you lied, but I’m arguing in bad faith

lol, lmao even

Edit: also how is it “patently absurd” to suggest the best prospect in the world projects as a ppg player? Stupid comment

 

[kerrabria]

So to be clear, you lied, you’re showing that you lied, but I’m arguing in bad faith

lol, lmao even

Edit: also how is it “patently absurd” to suggest the best prospect in the world projects as a ppg player? Stupid comment

Explain how I lied. I didn't say draft+1 season in the KHL, I said "after being drafted." It's the difference of one season.

How is it patently absurd? The part where plenty of "greatest prospects in the world" busted or underachieved. I'm not saying that Demidov won't have p/pg seasons during his career. I'm saying it's idiotic to just assume he will. It's insane that Habs fans still haven't realized that draft pedigree doesn't determine a forward's NHL success.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Explain how I lied. I didn't say draft+1 season in the KHL, I said "after being drafted." It's the difference of one season.

How is it patently absurd? The part where plenty of "greatest prospects in the world" busted or underachieved. I'm not saying that Demidov won't have p/pg seasons during his career. I'm saying it's idiotic to just assume he will. It's insane that Habs fans still haven't realized that draft pedigree doesn't determine a forward's NHL success.

Hey everyone, some prospects bust so you can never ever say that a prospect is highly likely to be a ppg player in the nhl lmao

Sad!

 

[Jared Dunn]

Demidov Draft+1 Season - 13g, 31p in 40 GP
Zherdev Draft+2 Season - 19g, 40p in 51 GP
Filatov Draft+2 Season - 9g, 22p in 26 GP

If you're quibbling over Draft+1 or Draft+2, then you're the one arguing in bad faith. But that's what happens when you blindly expect linear development from teenagers.

I do think having one of the most significant years of development of your career under your belt matters at least a little, yes.

Also:

Malkin D+1 - 32 points in 52 games
Kaprizov D + 1 - 27 points in 53 games
Ovechkin D + 1 - 27 points in 37 games

So where might these numbers line up in your argument exactly?

 

[kerrabria]

Hey everyone, some prospects bust so you can never ever say that a prospect is highly likely to be a ppg player in the nhl lmao

Sad!

Not sad. Reasonable.

I do think having one of the most significant years of development of your career under your belt matters at least a little, yes.

Also:

Malkin D+1 - 32 points in 52 games
Kaprizov D + 1 - 27 points in 53 games
Ovechkin D + 1 - 27 points in 37 games

So where might these numbers line up in your argument exactly?

It lines up because my point is that until you see the player in the NHL, all career projections are (at best) educated guesses. Half a season's worth of KHL games during D+1 is a very flimsy sample on which to claim a player will be an elite player.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Not sad. Reasonable.

It lines up because my point is that until you see the player in the NHL, all career projections are (at best) educated guesses. Half a season's worth of KHL games during D+1 is a very flimsy sample on which to claim a player will be an elite player.

Why not just have the draft be totally random then? By your logic there’s no reason to rank players based on their pre-NHL stats anyway

 

[Toene]

I thought this statement was wrong but is actually mostly right.

During the time period that Trevor Timmins worked for the Canadiens, they had two players who did get to 70 points that they themselves drafted. The first is Saku Koivu, obviously not drafted by Timmins. But for whatever reason, I thought that Timmins joined in 2001, but it appears he joined in 2002. Meaning the other player to get a 70 pts season in that timespan (Tomas Plekanec) was also not drafted while Timmins was employed.

Max Pacioretty came reasonably close a few times when scoring levels were at their lowest, and both Pacioretty and Subban would've been decent bets to get there in 2013. Also, it's probably worth noting that the two best players drafted by Timmins were not playing forward (Subban and Price).

This goes to criticism often levelled at Timmins that he tended to play much, much too safe with his forwards selection. There is a very good claim to be made that his LONE "risky" selection was actually his second best (so far) with a very legit chance at being his best (Cole Caufield). If you list his five best forward picks in that 20 years span, it looks like this :

1 - Max Pacioretty
2 - Cole Caufield
3 - Brandon Gallagher
4 - Arturri Lehkonen (Lehkonen is probably debateable with Gallagher, and could end up passing him. I'll give Gallagher the advantage for now, since, you know, there's a difference between Phil Danault and Nathan McKinnon)
5 - ... Chris Higgins. Seriously

Timmins didn't draft Higgins. His first draft was 03

 

[LaineBOOM]

Lmao you sound weak af.

I was doing my best Leafs-fan impression. Glad to hear that I succeeded

 

[kidkosher]

Everyone's gotta take a deep breath. The canadiens posters are at the phase of their prospect accumulation/development where they've convinced themselves they have a top 5 player in every position. Every team's posters do this, and it's goof ball logic to try to discourse with them.

I did the same thing when I thought that the trio of Mackenzie Blackwood, Will Butcher, and Reid Boucher were gonna be cornerstone pieces. If you dig in my history, I was defending Wil Butcher's lack of defense by comparing him to Erik Karlsson (KHL and German league, bad at hockey). I was projecting Reid Boucher to be a 35+ goal scorer (KHL, rapist, bad at hockey). I thought MacKenzie Blackwood was gonna be a 60 start goalie in NJ for years (eaten by COVID).

Just gotta let these guys run their motions.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Captain Big Dick Nick Suzuki is breaking the streak this year

 

[Kegs]

Really puts Carey price into perspective doesn’t it. Without price the habs would have been terrible. Someone legit posted a thread asking if price was over paid and some ppl thought he was. Price carried this team for a long time.

Habs are starting to add some nice pieces

Hutson and Suzuki are beauties. Can’t wait to see demidov play in the nhl. If demidov pans out this team might just become a force.

 

[jfhabs]

For sure, especially with the more offensive system we've been playing. I think that Suzuki, Hutson, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Hage will be point per game players, too.

Can't think of a team with so many PPG player in recent history

 

[MXD]

Timmins didn't draft Higgins. His first draft was 03

....Yeah, he was hired before that, but 2003 was his first draft as head scout. Point taken.
It probably means the 5th best skater he drafted is Kostitsyn.

 

[danisonfire]

Really puts Carey price into perspective doesn’t it. Without price the habs would have been terrible. Someone legit posted a thread asking if price was over paid and some ppl thought he was. Price carried this team for a long time.

Habs are starting to add some nice pieces

Hutson and Suzuki are beauties. Can’t wait to see demidov play in the nhl. If demidov pans out this team might just become a force.

This is my usual reply regarding Price:

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Yet they're still the latest Canadian team to win the cup

 

[dirtydanglez]

nick suzuki just barely hanging in there.