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WJC: Canada's goaltending since 2010

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PETRYDISH said:
If Patterson plays next game we deserve to lose. Guy was giving up rebounds all game and couldn't suck a puck in to save his life. Get Fucale in there... I've been watching Jarry on the Oilkings for the last two years and I can't believe he's not on this team, it's astounding to me actually even though I know I'm a homer... The guy is so good. His stats a far superior as well, I don't judge him based on his stats though his foundations and athleticism are really impressive and he never gets shaken. Anyone whose watched him will probably agree, not sure if he's gotten much attention though which is a shame. As well he's a larger goalie which helps on the big ice, going from side to side a little more on plays being a bit longer helps a ton.
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As a Penguins fan, I'm glad to hear that. :D
 
Patterson has put up a .887 save percentage through 2 games and his S% in the OHL this year is .900. There are plenty of other goalies in the CHL with far better stats, so I don't know what thought process goes into these decisions.
 
Even if you could argue Fucale isn't the answer, you can't stay with Patterson. If Fucale plays well, give him the USA game. At the very least, it doesn't look like he could be worse than Patterson right now.
 
I have to question why none of Comrie, Jarry, or Altshuller got invites to the Canada camp. All 3 have shown they're consistently solid to excellent goalies in their respective leagues, it's not as if all 3 of those guys came out of nowhere and had no pedigree. I have no problem with the Fucale inclusion, but just because Paterson's been to the WJC before doesn't mean there can't be plenty of guys out there who are a better bet to help Canada win based on current respective form.
 
I don't follow junior hockey as closely as a lot of you probably do, but looking a the numbers I also wondered why a guy like Jarry or Comrie didn't make the team over Patterson. I know WHL goalies have better numbers generally this year, but those 2 seem to be more impressive to me than the duo that made the team.
 
TonsofPuppies said:
With Patterson's performance today, the legacy of horrific Canadian goaltending at the WJC continues. Why does this continue to happen?
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Hockey politics is why.

Hockey Canada is no longer taking the best performing players. Instead, they are taking the perceived best players. They selecting their team based on past performances and hype, rather than statistics and current performance.

This was abundantly clear when they cut Laurent Brossoit in last years tournament, when it was clear that he should have been the teams starting goaltender. He was by far the best goalie in selection camp. It was at that point that I lost a lot of faith in Hockey Canada.

Fucale should get the next start. Let's see what he can do before we jump to conclusions about the state of this years Canadian goaltending.
 
montreal961 said:
Hockey politics is why.

Hockey Canada is no longer taking the best performing players. Instead, they are taking the perceived best players. They selecting their team based on past performances and hype, rather than statistics and current performance.

This was abundantly clear when they cut Laurent Brossoit in last years tournament, when it was clear that he should have been the teams starting goaltender. He was by far the best goalie in selection camp. It was at that point that I lost a lot of faith in Hockey Canada.
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Lots of people thought Paterson was the best goalie in selection camp that year. He ended up the #3.

Up to this morning, Paterson had done well enough to start. Yeah, he had a bad game. But it doesn't mean he's not a good goalie and it doesn't mean he didn't earn his shot.

I don't understand why Canadian fans need to tear down their players when they have a bad game. It's possible to have a bad game and still be a good player. Hell, look at McDavid. Nobody seems to be throwing him under the bus. This seems especially relevant for goalies, since that's a position that takes a long time to develop proper mental game, technique, and consistency. It's perfectly conceivable that a good young goalie could play well (Sweden) and then **** the bed (Czech Republic). There's no need to trash the guy as a player for it.
 
Because in a short tourney like this....goaltenders can't afford to have a bad game.....it's that simple.

I'm not saying Paterson is a bad goalie by any stretch....what I am saying is (in my opinion) he should lose his chance to play until Fucale drops the ball.
 
67sfan said:
Because in a short tourney like this....goaltenders can't afford to have a bad game.....it's that simple.

I'm not saying Paterson is a bad goalie by any stretch....what I am saying is (in my opinion) he should lose his chance to play until Fucale drops the ball.
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Oh, I agree. It's Fucale's turn. I'm just talking about the people whose only reaction was stuff like Paterson is awful or that Canada should re-evaluate their goaltender development now.
 
Guru Meditation said:
Oh, I agree. It's Fucale's turn. I'm just talking about the people whose only reaction was stuff like Paterson is awful or that Canada should re-evaluate their goaltender development now.
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Jake Paterson's stats with Saginaw over the years:

2010-11: 2.97, .907
2011-12: 3.42, .904
2012-13: 3.53, .901
2013-14: 3.64, .900

Not only has he never had a great OHL season, his numbers have been getting steadily worse every year. He's not a good goalie.
 
Guru Meditation said:
Lots of people thought Paterson was the best goalie in selection camp that year. He ended up the #3.

Up to this morning, Paterson had done well enough to start. Yeah, he had a bad game. But it doesn't mean he's not a good goalie and it doesn't mean he didn't earn his shot.

I don't understand why Canadian fans need to tear down their players when they have a bad game. It's possible to have a bad game and still be a good player. Hell, look at McDavid. Nobody seems to be throwing him under the bus. This seems especially relevant for goalies, since that's a position that takes a long time to develop proper mental game, technique, and consistency. It's perfectly conceivable that a good young goalie could play well (Sweden) and then **** the bed (Czech Republic). There's no need to trash the guy as a player for it.
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Up until now there were other goalies that were better than him.

Canadians tear their players apart because they expect the best out of the team they perceive to be the best: Is the United States basketball team ever happy about a loss? How about the Spanish national soccer team? Hell, England hasn't been the best team for a while and their country still tears them apart after a loss.

Complacency is not the answer.
 
The best Canadian goalie in the pipeline is currently sitting on the bench for this wjc team
 
Canada's Goaltending Situation

Hey guys, after watching todays game against the Czech Repulic I feel like goaltending is going to be Canada's weak area throughout the tournament. As a resident of Halifax, I go to quite a few Mooseheads games and I get to see Zack Fucale play often. He may be young, but having a memorial cup win under his belt I think he can handle the pressure of playing in the world juniors. I really wish Sutter would realize what Fucale is capable of and give him a chance instead of playing Paterson simply because he is older and more experienced. That's just my opinion of course... What do you guys think?
 
At this point I'd like to say hi to an old friend. Welcome back, "Canada's goaltending situation" thread. So nice to see you back for another year. :(

And while I'm here I'll throw in my own two cents and say that Fucale should get the next start and then let's see where it goes from there.
 
I'm never one to question the coaches roster decisions. They know better than us armchair critics. However, it still amazes me how Patterson beat out Jarry for a spot on the roster. Stats aren't everything but they do mean something.
 
Time to switch to Comrie.

Oh wait...:help:


It's the same thing that has plagued Canada at the WJCs for quite a few years now. Picking the wrong goaltenders at the wrong times. The talent gap is evaporating and one of the single biggest factors in this tournament format is having a goaltender who can get on a hot streak and be more than just okayish.

It's funny, Paterson may have been the way to go last year, but was passed over. We all know how that turned out.

This year, Paterson has dropped the ball and Comrie is the guy who looked the best in pre-tournament but they opted to go a different direction.

:dunno:
 
Guru Meditation said:
Lots of people thought Paterson was the best goalie in selection camp that year. He ended up the #3.
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Yet they go with Subban as #1 because of hype and draft status, and we all know how that worked out. My point is that if Canada were to go with the best performing players at the given time, instead of the players with the most hype, maybe they would do a bit better.
 
Yeah, Jake Paterson would not be my #1 goalie in the World Juniors. I'd be starting Zach Fucale if I was Team Canada.
 
Put Fucale in, Patterson is a ****ing plug.

I don't even think Patterson should have even made the roster to begin with. There's gotta be at least one Canadian goalie who's better than Patterson.
 
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I know it was against Germany, but I didn't like Paterson's poise in that game and obviously hated his game against the Czechs. The guy is all over the place in his crease and constantly looks behind him like he's expecting to be beaten by half the shots taken on him. I don't blame him, I blame the Team Canada brass who chose him.

Might as well give Fucale a chance. He would have the chance to come back next year as a 19 year and hopefully give Canada some of the best goaltending they've had in quite a few years.
 
Goaltending is only part of the problem, the other part is team defense, the breakdowns against Russia were brutal. Yes the goalies could of slowed the leaks but overall team defense sucks.

Besides, if you look back 2010-2011 we were considerably small and less lethal up front, and some of the players from those rosters are yet to play in the NHL consistently, I mean this is the beat Canada had to offer that year... 2011 Carter Ashton (sub par on the leafs) Casey cizikas, quinton howden, Louis Leblanc... And using zack Kassian in a predominantly offensive tournament.

Then defense that year
Tyson Barrie, dylon Olson, I'd even throw Simon depres under that bus.

Don't just blame the goaltenders when the problems are knee high in **** creek.
 
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