GDT: Canada vs USA

[ORRFForever]

As a Canadian, I'd rather see it in other countries as well. I think the real question is, why isn't anyone else stepping up? It's not like the IIHF would favour Canada. Pretty obvious we're just the ones willing to host it every year. I think it would be amazing if today's game was in Czechia.

It all comes down to money. NO country is willing to pay as much for tickets as Canada. NO country can put butts in the stands like Canada.

The IIHF is a business - like any other. They have bills to pay. If we ran the IIHF, we'd put it in Canada, too.

 

[Magicman]

It’s like you aren’t reading the rest of my post. I acknowledge the rule. It’s archaic and it’s not actually goalie interference. I understand by iihf rules that it’s technically goalie interference, but that’s what it is, a technicality.

It’s basically saying Jackson Blake isn’t allowed to make a hockey play in the crease even if the puck is in the crease and he’s already established position first without interfering with the goalie.

Former amateur ref here.

The rule is pretty clear, there is literally no room in the IIHF rule book for "Hockey Plays". The IIHF has went out of there way to ensure the on ice officials call the game and have the last word.

#1
The rule is clear, you cannot bump the goalie, period, once contact is made the ref should blow the whistle. Blake cannot enter the crease and then "establish position" like he's a center in basketball guarding the rim. He could enter, but cannot on his own make contact, nor can he camp out there and not allow the goalie the ability to move within the blue paint.


The ref didn't call it initially and Canada knowing the rule challenged. Once the ref seen contact on the video the play is over. The only continuation allowed is if there is a penalty after contact. We seen this with an offsides and Canada committing a penalty. The play was called offsides, however because Canada committed a penalty, it still goes in the book, even though the clock get's set back.

#2
The instant the puck stopped moving forward on it's own and was covered by the goalie, play over. Again another astute call by Canada, once the puck disappears under the pad it's play over and that is what the ref seen and once he reviewed the video, he made the correct call.


It will be interesting to see how todays Gold game is officiated, my guess is that Canada will get a few early powerplays when Czechia tries to copy their style of play from the first game.


It's like this speed trap here in So Cal. A section of freeway is 65, then it transitions to another freeway that's 55, then about a mile later, it transitions back to 65. The CHP sits there and writes tickets all day.

Just because you can do something in Junior, College or the Pro's, doesn't mean you can do it in an IIHF tournament.

 

[canuck2010]

Another conspiracy theory, who could ever imagine such a thing?

 

[NyQuil]

I’m sure there’s some IPA message board somewhere you can go fill your boots on.

Please stick to hockey discussion, thank you.

 

[ijuka]

It all comes down to money. NO country is willing to pay as much for tickets as Canada. NO country can put butts in the stands like Canada.

The IIHF is a business - like any other. They have bills to pay. If we ran the IIHF, we'd put it in Canada, too.

Profit isn't the only goal of a business. Another one is growth. Having it in Canada isn't exactly amazing for international growth. Canadians already know hockey and watch it.

Then again, perhaps nobody else cares about these junior tournaments as much.

 

[ORRFForever]

Profit isn't the only goal of a business. Another one is growth. Having it in Canada isn't exactly amazing for international growth. Canadians already know hockey and watch it.

Then again, perhaps nobody else cares about these junior tournaments as much.

True but if @ijuka was the president of the IIHF, I'm sure you'd want it in Canada, too.

 

[MeHateHe]

Guys, the Iihf just ruled that because there were so many complaints on this thread about those two disputed goals that:
1) the referees have been overruled and now both goals count
2) Canada has been deducted four goals, so now the final score is 4-2 USA
3) Canada has been ejected from the IIHF, as well as from CONCACAF, NATO, the UN and from the North American land mass.
4) the letters CANADA have been removed from the English alphabet and
5) the IIHF will move its headquarters to Colorado Springs and the only member nation will be the US.

Good work guys!

 

[Magicman]

My only complaint about this tourney is every other year it is in Canada. Need other countries to step it up on that front but having home games 1/2 the tourneys vs. rarely....Canada should be winning most of these with their roster.

Rumor was while with AEG wanted to have the World Juniors in LA/OC using Staples and the Pond. Both the Kings and the Ducks would head out after Christmas on road trips, then returning for 2 home games on the days off.

Apparently it was shot down by the NHL as it would cause too many scheduling conflicts. However with the diverse population in So Cal, I think it could have been easily pulled off.

 

[Zippy316]

Rumor was while with AEG wanted to have the World Juniors in LA/OC using Staples and the Pond. Both the Kings and the Ducks would head out after Christmas on road trips, then returning for 2 home games on the days off.

Apparently it was shot down by the NHL as it would cause too many scheduling conflicts. However with the diverse population in So Cal, I think it could have been easily pulled off.

Not sure how IIHF plans world juniors, but if there are any AHL teams in proximity, couldn’t they always use an AHL rink and two NHL rinks to make the schedule easier?

 

[Megahab]

Forgive my ignorance. After the Canada-USA game last night, the Canadian goalie was selected as Canada's player of the game. Then after that, they had 3 Canadian players (Bedard was one of them) come up to win some kind of other award. What was that for?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Forgive my ignorance. After the Canada-USA game last night, the Canadian goalie was selected as Canada's player of the game. Then after that, they had 3 Canadian players (Bedard was one of them) come up to win some kind of other award. What was that for?

Canada's top 3 players for the tournament. Was the entire Bedard line(Stankoven and Roy).

 

[Peiskos]

2022 & 2021 were in Canada due to them being able to make it "COVID Safe" and most other country's not interested in bringing him so many foreigners for a simple hockey tournament.

2020 was in Czechia.
2023 was supposed to be in Russia but they lost it due to obvious reasons.

Does Canada host it a lot? Of course. But its the country with the most interest in said tournament and probably the most lucrative location for the IIHF.

On the flip side Canada has rarely hosted the IIHF Mens tournament, only hosting once in 2008 Halifiax-Quebec City.

 

[Megahab]

Canada's top 3 players for the tournament. Was the entire Bedard line(Stankoven and Roy).

Oh but why did they announce this before the tournament is over? Is that normal for the WJC?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Oh but why did they announce this before the tournament is over? Is that normal for the WJC?

Yeah they do it at the QF for the teams that lose and both teams in the semis afterward. Tournament MVP and All Stars get announced after the Gold Medal game.

 

[Megahab]

Yeah they do it at the QF for the teams that lose and both teams in the semis afterward. Tournament MVP and All Stars get announced after the Gold Medal game.

Got it, thank you.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Forgive my ignorance. After the Canada-USA game last night, the Canadian goalie was selected as Canada's player of the game. Then after that, they had 3 Canadian players (Bedard was one of them) come up to win some kind of other award. What was that for?

Canadas best 3 players for the whole tournament.
They do it for each team, the top 3.

 

[Ciao]

It’s like you aren’t reading the rest of my post. I acknowledge the rule. It’s archaic and it’s not actually goalie interference. I understand by iihf rules that it’s technically goalie interference, but that’s what it is, a technicality.

It’s basically saying Jackson Blake isn’t allowed to make a hockey play in the crease even if the puck is in the crease and he’s already established position first without interfering with the goalie.

A player isn't allowed to establish position in the crease.

The goalie is entitled to have free movement at all times throughout the entire crease, without having to to compete with any other player for position.

Outside the crease, the goalie is like any other player, but you can't have a competition for space and position within the crease.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Has a ref ever won the mvp? At least history will be made

"Canada doesnt stand a chance" atleast you can keep crying about the refs

 

[nbwingsfan]

Profit isn't the only goal of a business. Another one is growth. Having it in Canada isn't exactly amazing for international growth. Canadians already know hockey and watch it.

Then again, perhaps nobody else cares about these junior tournaments as much.

They probably should start caring then. It’s a great way to judge how your country is doing developing talent.

This year isnt a good sign for Finland, for example.

 

[cool beans]

I bet this thread has been fun

 

[Da Cool Rula]

A player isn't allowed to establish position in the crease.

The goalie is entitled to have free movement at all times throughout the entire crease, without having to to compete with any other player for position.

Outside the crease, the goalie is like any other player, but you can't have a competition for space and position within the crease.

But the player was pushed into him

 

[Bounces R Way]

Momentum changing was more significant…. Both goals were way to close to challenge and risk going short handed in a game you’re being dominated in…. Unless you knew you had pocket refs.

God I know. American fans must be 6-2 their stomachs about it.

 

[Chainshot]

I bet this thread has been fun

Honestly, mostly fun.

 

[1989]

But the player was pushed into him

He made no effort to leave before the puck came back.

 

[Captain97]

Came here for talk about the game and instead had to read through 3 pages of arguments for “who has better beer”…

Mods not going to clean that up?

The correct answers are Germany and Belgium anyways.