World Cup: Canada 4 Nations Tournament 2025 Roster Talk

If he is "literally the only player on his team", why are other Hawks outscoring him at 5v5?

If Bedard were as good as you seem to think, he should be lapping scrubs like Foligno, right?

At 5v5
Jarvis with Aho: 1.90 p/60 (347 mins)
Jarvis w/o Aho: 1.87 p/60 (294 mins)

Who are opposing teams sending out their best defence pair against? Foligno or Bedard?

At 5v5
Jarvis with Aho: 1.90 p/60 (347 mins)
Jarvis w/o Aho: 1.87 p/60 (294 mins)
Bedard is 4 years younger than Jarvis and at worst is comparable. If you are bringing a young player to get experience and leaving behind a better hockey player (of which, there are several), why not take someone who is likely to be an anchor piece in the future.
 
Scheifele seems to win his match ups fine against other team's top lines and can certainly sub in up the line up, wouldn't you agree?

Why take a less talented player?

Once again, team Canada out thinks itself.

I'd have no issue with Scheifele on the team, to get that out of the way. Or Thomas, who I thought should have made the team. But I would have had Scheifele and Thomas there instead of Bennett and Marchand, and I would have kept Jarvis.

Suzuki was never going to be selected because he hasn't made an effort to represent Canada at the World Championships despite Montreal missing the playoffs the last 3 seasons.

I'd have no problem with Celebrini if management went with a youth movement in preparation for next year's Olympics, but evidently they didn't and at this very point in time I'd prefer Jarvis all things considered.
 
Who are opposing teams sending out their best defence pair against? Foligno or Bedard?
Does it matter? If Bedard were this dominant 5v5 force, he should be outscoring guys like Foligno by a significant margin.
Bedard is 4 years younger than Jarvis and at worst is comparable.
He's nowhere near comparable to Jarvis at 5v5. He's less productive offensively and way way way worse all around (while also not being able to kill penalties).
If you are bringing a young player to get experience and leaving behind a better hockey player (of which, there are several), why not take someone who is likely to be an anchor piece in the future.
Jarvis wasn't taken because he's young. He was taken because he's one of the best 2 way wingers available to Canada. There's no reason to take a player (regardless of age) if they can't be trusted defensively.
 
Does it matter? If Bedard were this dominant 5v5 force, he should be outscoring guys like Foligno by a significant margin.
Of course it matters.

He's nowhere near comparable to Jarvis at 5v5. He's less productive offensively and way way way worse all around (while also not being able to kill penalties).

Jarvis wasn't taken because he's young. He was taken because he's one of the best 2 way wingers available to Canada. There's no reason to take a player (regardless of age) if they can't be trusted defensively.
He certainly is comparable.
Advanced stats don't tell the whole story. Nothing I've seen yet accounts for systems and team mates.

Jarvis isn't a top 8 winger for Canada. Bedard isn't either. Neither is particularly close.
 
Bedard should definitely be on the team, even if it's just for a learning experience. Even for him to spend the time with Crosby would be a an opportunity he would not pass up.

Suzuki? For what, his good looks? He's not an impact player and I wouldn't have him on the team
 
Of course it matters.
Not enough to account for the lack of difference. Plenty of other star players face top competition and still lap the scrubs on their team.
He certainly is comparable.
Advanced stats don't tell the whole story. Nothing I've seen yet accounts for systems and team mates.
Just watch them play. Bedard is a huge defensive liability. There's a reason he got demoted to 13th forward during the WCs last year.
Jarvis isn't a top 8 winger for Canada. Bedard isn't either. Neither is particularly close.
He's 3rd among Canadian wingers in goals per game and 6th in points per game while being an elite penalty killer playing in a defensive system.
 
Of course it matters.


He certainly is comparable.
Advanced stats don't tell the whole story. Nothing I've seen yet accounts for systems and team mates.

Jarvis isn't a top 8 winger for Canada. Bedard isn't either. Neither is particularly close.
Jarvis is one of my favourite players and you will be quite pleased with his play.

As for Bedard...

I'm not sure why posters just can't accept he is not "there" yet. That doesn't mean he won't get there but he's just 19.
 
Very intriguing to see how the roster comes together. I am especially intrigued by how the goaltending looks.
That's it in a nutshell. The rest of the lineup is amazing. Forwards coming out of our ears - including the 2 best players in the world + Sid. D is solid with a once in a generation player leading the pack - Makar.

If we get solid goaltending, we should be fine. The goalies just can't lose us a game.
 
Not enough to account for the lack of difference. Plenty of other star players face top competition and still lap the scrubs on their team.

Most would have reasonable linemates.
Just watch them play. Bedard is a huge defensive liability. There's a reason he got demoted to 13th forward during the WCs last year.

Disagree. Doesn't matter anyway. He isn't asked to be a Selke candidate on the Hawks.

He's 3rd among Canadian wingers in goals per game and 6th in points per game while being an elite penalty killer playing in a defensive system.

He's 36th in GPG over the past 1.5 years and 64th in PPG playing with an elite center.
 
Jarvis is one of my favourite players and you will be quite pleased with his play.

As for Bedard...

I'm not sure why posters just can't accept he is not "there" yet. That doesn't mean he won't get there but he's just 19.

I have no problem with Jarvis. I've watched his career closely as a fellow Winnipeger. He's a fine player. He shouldn't be sniffing Team Canada.
 
Most would have reasonable linemates.
Bedard's linemates that are scoring at the same pace as him aren't reasonable?
Disagree. Doesn't matter anyway. He isn't asked to be a Selke candidate on the Hawks.
You disagree that he's a defensive liability? Well that explains your posts, you just don't know anything about hockey.
He's 36th in GPG over the past 1.5 years and 64th in PPG playing with an elite center.
40 goals in his last 82 games. Point and Reinhart are the only Canadians with more goals in their last 82 games. And Jarvis has done it while playing a significant amount of his time on a line with Staal and Martinook.
 
No Heiskanen - no win:mad:.

And you know it.

... but back to basics; all, and I really do mean all, the Finland defenders only have to defend around this time around and let the fine mighty Finland forwards do the talkin' upfont.
Infront of Saros knees if so. Let the (Finland) hockey do the talkin'!


 
Bedard's linemates that are scoring at the same pace as him aren't reasonable?

You disagree that he's a defensive liability? Well that explains your posts, you just don't know anything about hockey.

40 goals in his last 82 games. Point and Reinhart are the only Canadians with more goals in their last 82 games. And Jarvis has done it while playing a significant amount of his time on a line with Staal and Martinook.
Targeting the Jarvis inclusion as the suspect one is a bit strange to me. In the games I’ve seen this year, he’s played his way onto this team. If you want to talk about Bennett or Sanheim, then I can understand. I generally think there are only two outskaters that were questionable picks, which is good compared to the recent catastrophe of the WJC. But Jarvis is a gamer that is a Swiss Army knife of versatility, and players like that are always going to be given priority over players whose full games are as well rounded like Bedard or Scheifele (a tangent, but I actually would have had Vilardi in front of Scheifele as a replacement)
 
Targeting the Jarvis inclusion as the suspect one is a bit strange to me. In the games I’ve seen this year, he’s played his way onto this team. If you want to talk about Bennett or Sanheim, then I can understand. I generally think there are only two outskaters that were questionable picks, which is good compared to the recent catastrophe of the WJC. But Jarvis is a gamer that is a Swiss Army knife of versatility, and players like that are always going to be given priority over players whose full games are as well rounded like Bedard or Scheifele (a tangent, but I actually would have had Vilardi in front of Scheifele as a replacement)
Honestly as an American fan I think Canada made damn near perfect skater selections. I would have tried to find a way to get Barzal onto the roster, but really good job by the management team IMO.
 
Honestly as an American fan I think Canada made damn near perfect skater selections. I would have tried to find a way to get Barzal onto the roster, but really good job by the management team IMO.
I think so, too. They did mess up the goalies - making a bad situation even worse but...

If Canada loses this silly tournament but learn their lesson (when it comes to the goalies) and win the Olympics, I'm good with it.
 
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I promised myself that I would to enjoy the games and NOT stress out over who wins and loses. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to see McDavid, MacKinnon, Sid and Makar on the same team - 3 of which are in their prime. Nice !!!!

Targeting the Jarvis inclusion as the suspect one is a bit strange to me. In the games I’ve seen this year, he’s played his way onto this team. If you want to talk about Bennett or Sanheim, then I can understand. I generally think there are only two outskaters that were questionable picks, which is good compared to the recent catastrophe of the WJC. But Jarvis is a gamer that is a Swiss Army knife of versatility, and players like that are always going to be given priority over players whose full games are as well rounded like Bedard or Scheifele (a tangent, but I actually would have had Vilardi in front of Scheifele as a replacement)
I have not seen Sanheim enough to comment but I have NO problem with Bennett. He was AMAZING when Florida made their run to the Cup and I expect nothing less here.
 
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It's not just us that say he's a defensive liability...

Didn't he get called out recently (publicly) for not worrying about defense?
Yeah he has had some brutal sequences this year. Kid has tons of talent but he's just not playing winning hockey yet. Which isn't surprising, he's 19. But it's hard to just flip that switch from playing "pond hockey" to being asked to defend against guys like Matthews and Hughes.
 
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Yeah he has had some brutal sequences this year. Kid has tons of talent but he's just not playing winning hockey yet. Which isn't surprising, he's 19. But it's hard to just flip that switch from playing "pond hockey" to being asked to defend against guys like Matthews and Hughes.
He's also never had to face adversity. He always been the "chosen one". He will be great but he needs to put in the work to become a complete player.
 
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