He played literally 2 games matched up against Marchand and Bergeron and they had there worst games of the series. Prior to that they dominated the other leaf matchups hence the solid numbers... Plekanec was the only guy able to keep up with the line no one else did, when Plekanec was not on the ice Bergeron Marchand scored
I don't know about factual, thought he did well on the 2nd line shutting down Bergeron in the last few games of the series... Nothing more nothing less but I'd say he was worth it even if he only contributed for two games.You present this as factual. It's not. There are many factors as to why TOR lost, got scored on, etc. I also know this as not being factual because there was not 2 Tomas Plekanecs playing. There was only one.
Boyle didn't want to stay in TOShould have just re-signed Boyle
How quick they forget !!!
One of Lou Lam's best moves of all time:
Shedding Phaneuf’s contract
Lamoriello somehow on Feb. 9, 2016, convinced the Senators to accept the final five-plus seasons of Dion Phaneuf’s albatross-like seven-year, $49-milllion deal, giving the Maple Leafs much needed salary cap flexibility. Phaneuf, Matt Frattin, Casey Bailey, Ryan Rupert and Cody Donaghey went to Ottawa for Jared Cowen, Colin Greening, Milan Michalek, Tobias Lindberg and a second-round pick.
*** If not for Lou Lam, Phaneuf would still be on the books for $7 mil AAV through the 2020-21 season which is post JT and 3 Amigo's new contracts today. ***
One of many trade deadline deals that ensured the Leafs finish 30th overall while recapturing 5 years @ $7 mil cap hit ... A move that successfully resulted in the drafting Auston Matthews #1OA, the Leafs current franchise player.
Leafs’ netminder
Lamoriello certainly understands the importance of strong goaltending. He set up the Maple Leafs for success by acquiring netminder Frederik Andersen from the Ducks for a first-round pick in 2016 acquired from the Kessel trade, and a second-rounder in 2017 secured via Phaneuf Salary dump contract.
As a result of these transactions the Leafs went from last overall with 69 points to 95 points the very next year (+26 point point improvement) to a playoff spot taking on the Washington Capitals. Followed that up with a 105 All-time franchise best year the following season. Worst to franchise first in 2 years.
As mentioned above (earlier post) traded • Roman Polak • Nick Spaling to Sharks for • Raffi Torres • 2017 second round pick • 2018 second round pick on 2016-02-22. With these manufactured 2nd rounders he attempted to prop up Leafs playoff chances by the additions of veteran centres Boyle in 2017 & Plekanec in 2018.
Tomas Pleckanec was brought in at the TD to prop up a 105 point Leafs playoff team attempting to provide depth, leadership and PK ability, a very common move done by many teams in Cup contention annually.. He acquired the 2nd round pick by dealing Polak to SJ as a pending UFA the previous trade deadline, and then turned around and resigned Polak the following year as a UFA having him back on the Leafs for this playoff run with new teammate Plekanec in tow..
Basically acquiring Plekanec with found money!!. This is the transaction that Leaf Nation fans want to bemoan about years later of a playoff rental player?. Talk about some that can't see the forest for the trees, too involved in the minor details of an insignificant transaction now to look at the situation as a whole.
Also Traded • Daniel Winnik • 2016 fifth round pick to Capitals for • Brooks Laich • Connor Carrick • 2016 second round pick (#57-Carl Grundstrom) on 2016-02-28 ensuring the Leafs still made a 2nd round pick of their own. Grundstrom one of the players later dealt by Dubas to acquire Jake Muzzin.
This was a pure masterpiece body of GM work that didn't even include the cap friendly deals of Rielly and Kadri he signed Leafs to, in addition to passing on #1C Matthews and #1G Andersen as well as some prospects like Liljegren, Korshkov, Brooks and goalie prospects like Woll/Scott in the system for the next GM as well as a franchise best 105 point starting roster for his predecessor.
The logic behind your analysis of the Plekanec trade is really, really terrible.
How the second round pick was acquired is completely irrelevant. The Winnik/Spaling trade was great, but that doesn't mean flipping those assets for lesser ones us suddenly acceptable.
2016 Entry | ||||||||||
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Draft | Num. | Round | Player | Pos | Drafted From | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM |
2016 Entry | 1 | 1 | Auston Matthews | C | Zurich SC [Swiss-A] | 282 | 158 | 127 | 285 | 46 |
2016 Entry | 31 | 2 | Egor Korshkov | L | Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [KHL] | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
2016 Entry | 57 | 2 | Carl Grundstrom | R | MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL] | 28 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 14 |
2016 Entry | 62 | 3 | Joseph Woll | G | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] | |||||
2016 Entry | 72 | 3 | J.D. Greenway | D | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] | |||||
2016 Entry | 92 | 4 | Adam Brooks | C | Regina Pats [WHL] | 7 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 |
2016 Entry | 101 | 4 | Keaton Middleton | D | Saginaw Spirit [OHL] | |||||
2016 Entry | 122 | 5 | Vladimir Bobylev | L | Victoria Royals [WHL] | |||||
2016 Entry | 152 | 6 | Jack Walker | L | Victoria Royals [WHL] | |||||
2016 Entry | 179 | 6 | Nicolas Mattinen | D | London Knights [OHL] | |||||
2016 Entry | 182 | 7 | Nikolai Chebykin | L | MVD Jrs (Russia) |
2017 Entry | ||||||||||
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Draft | Num. | Round | Player | Pos | Drafted From | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM |
2017 Entry | 17 | 1 | Timothy Liljegren | D | Rogle BK Angelholm [SweHL] | 11 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
2017 Entry | 59 | 2 | Eemeli Rasanen | D | Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] | |||||
2017 Entry | 110 | 4 | Ian Scott | G | Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] | |||||
2017 Entry | 124 | 4 | Vladislav Kara | L | Kazan [Russia-Jrs] | |||||
2017 Entry | 141 | 5 | Fedor Gordeev | D | Flint Firebirds [OHL] | |||||
2017 Entry | 172 | 6 | Ryan McGregor | C | Sarnia Sting [OHL] | |||||
2017 Entry | 203 | 7 | Ryan O'Connell | D | St. Andrews [Ont. H.S.] |
Not a fair comparison, winning the Cup wasn’t close to happening, where as if Gardiner had turned the other direction on the Debrusk goal we win game 7.And if we won the Stanley Cup last year, Babcock would still be coach. Of course the trade would look better if we start pretending alternate realities.
I'm not sure if you're aware but many many teams in playoff positions often deal futures for veteran depth at the trade deadline year after year.
Our Leafs were a playoff team and including were setting 105 franchise best marks.. So adding to that team at the trade deadline with the use of a manufactured draft pick (from Polak trade and expiring contract) and then resigning Polak as UFA in the summer before the pick was even due, is pure GM brilliance.
Besides I think the biggest argument would have been if Lou Lam was emptying the prospect cupboard to bring in guys like Boyle and Plekanec but Leafs made among the most draft selections in additions to dealing 2nds. ie 1 X 1st & 2 X 2nds & 2 X 3rds & 2 X 4ths in 2016. Did we really miss the Plecanec 2nd rounder?
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2016 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2016 Entry 1 1 Auston Matthews C Zurich SC [Swiss-A] 282 158 127 285 46 2016 Entry 31 2 Egor Korshkov L Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [KHL] 1 1 0 1 0 2016 Entry 57 2 Carl Grundstrom R MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL] 28 5 5 10 14 2016 Entry 62 3 Joseph Woll G U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 2016 Entry 72 3 J.D. Greenway D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 2016 Entry 92 4 Adam Brooks C Regina Pats [WHL] 7 0 3 3 0 2016 Entry 101 4 Keaton Middleton D Saginaw Spirit [OHL] 2016 Entry 122 5 Vladimir Bobylev L Victoria Royals [WHL] 2016 Entry 152 6 Jack Walker L Victoria Royals [WHL] 2016 Entry 179 6 Nicolas Mattinen D London Knights [OHL] 2016 Entry 182 7 Nikolai Chebykin L MVD Jrs (Russia)
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2017 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2017 Entry 17 1 Timothy Liljegren D Rogle BK Angelholm [SweHL] 11 0 1 1 2 2017 Entry 59 2 Eemeli Rasanen D Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 2017 Entry 110 4 Ian Scott G Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 2017 Entry 124 4 Vladislav Kara L Kazan [Russia-Jrs] 2017 Entry 141 5 Fedor Gordeev D Flint Firebirds [OHL] 2017 Entry 172 6 Ryan McGregor C Sarnia Sting [OHL] 2017 Entry 203 7 Ryan O'Connell D St. Andrews [Ont. H.S.]
I'm not arguing against the specific trade - I don't think it was as bad as others are making it out to be, but I don't think it was a good one either. I'm arguing against the logic that it's a good trade by virtue of having made a good trade to acquire the pick in the first place.
To use someone else's analogy from earlier in the thread, if I sell a hot dog for $100, that's amazing. If I then buy a half eaten hot dog for $50, that's still a terrible deal because, even though the $50 was "found money", I would be way better off with $50 than a half-eaten hot dog.
Bad Analogy:
Here is one that represents the actual situation better .. History .. In 2016 Leafs trade Polak to SJ for a future 2nd round pick 2018. In summer 2017 Leafs resign Roman Polak. So by the time the 2018 playoffs began Leafs had both Polak (back) and Plekanec in their playoff line-up at the same time.
Better Analogy:
If I sold you my used Lawnmower for $100, and you used it a few times and then gave it right back to me for free. So now I have my own original lawnmower back + your $100 bucks. (its found money). Do you really care what I do with the money at that point as I already won the transaction? What if I bought a lottery ticket with the money?
In Leafs example they used it in a short-term return a playoff rental player for a Stanley Cup playoff run, coming off a franchise best 105 point season and strong Cup conteder. As I pointed out above Plekanec tied for 4th in Leafs playoff scoring that year 2-2-4 points and also was the games #2 star in a 3-1 Leafs win in game #6 to save the Leafs from elimination. So Leafs got a return on their investment.
Your argument is Leafs would have been better off without Plekanec, and you would have preferred instead invested it in a 2nd round pick in 2018 (unknown prospect) that may or may not have turned out. That is like saying instead of an actual measurable return (playoff player points), you would have preferred buying a lottery ticket instead (even though you have no idea if this would have returned anything at all).
However this is yours and others position and bone of contention with this deal, declaring victory while holding nothing of substance in return to support it.