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Can we put to bed the idea that North America can't win on big ice or outside home?

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Big Phil said:
Oh I know that. Salt Lake in 2002 was sort of like a hybrid between the two. Canada did fine and so did the US. But even so, it was still on North American soil. You still heard those complaints that neither country could do well outside of North America.
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SLC rinks were full international size, not a hybrid.

Edit - evidently they were indeed hybrid rinks, about Finnish sized. Sorry for the misinformation
 
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SergeiMomessov said:
Now we can put to bed the idea that CANADA can't win it on big ice.

However, US never won Olympic gold on big ice so it's not correct to say that North America can do it.
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Huh? Lake Placid was full international size and Squaw Valley looks even bigger than the modern international standard.
 
SergeiMomessov said:
Sorry, but I took only Best-on-best Olympics into account.
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In that case, then we can say that ONLY Canada, Sweden, and the Czech Republic have shown that they are capable of winning on big ice and away from home.

Russia, USA, and Finland (and I do hate to pick on the Finns) have not shown that they have the ability to win on big ice and/or away from home.
 
Blackbear said:
SLC rinks were full international size, not a hybrid.
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I've heard conflicting reports on that. I read somewhere recently that they were 200 x 92 or something along those lines. I've like to get a definitive reference; up until recently I think a lot of people assumed that Canada won in 2002 on the big ice, but some recent notes put that in doubt.
 
The big ice thing is a myth and always was a myth. Canada has only twice ever sent their best teams to a best on best big ice tournament. Torino was a joke really, they sent Pronger with a broken ankle, other players who just plain and simply didn't want to be there. If you want count that one too. Sochi counts, I don't count Team Canada 72 as history has shown what the raison d'être behind that team was.
 
Inkling said:
I've heard conflicting reports on that. I read somewhere recently that they were 200 x 92 or something along those lines. I've like to get a definitive reference; up until recently I think a lot of people assumed that Canada won in 2002 on the big ice, but some recent notes put that in doubt.
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http://arenaguide.iihf.com/en/news/index.php?nid=7

"The last Olympic tournament in North America before Vancouver – Salt Lake City 2002 – was played on a large surface."

Anyone who watched it knows this.
 
SergeiMomessov said:
Now we can put to bed the idea that CANADA can't win it on big ice.

However, US never won Olympic gold on big ice so it's not correct to say that North America can do it.
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USA has won just one best-on-best tournament. So them not winning had nothing to do with which ice it was either way. But the showing of the American team on this big ice and seeing them reach the semis should be enough for people to think Americans can win that way too. Sort of like Finland. Could Finland win? Yes. Do they? No. But could they? Yes. Same with the States now. They certainly weren't hindered by the big ice.
 
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