Value of: Can we put the ‘Oilers have no good prospects’ silliness to bed?

[Tad Mikowsky]

so did the Oilers suck at drafting and developing last year when their AHL team sucked? Glad they turned it around

I know you’re being snarky, it’s what you do.


But there has been a difference from last year to this year.

For one, Woodcroft is actually giving playing time to younger players. For years, Oilers fans have been wanting to see this. No more Ryan Hamiltons playing top line minutes instead of younger guys. Oilers would sign some AHL vet every year in an attempt to make the Condors/Barons a winning team (which they weren’t) instead of focusing on developing.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So you want people to stop telling the truth, because the fact is the Oilers can't draft and develop, because if they could they wouldn't be where they are today because their prospects would be playing for the Oilers helping them win.

But the Oilers continue to be the Oilers so that doesn't happen

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I know you’re being snarky, it’s what you do.


But there has been a difference from last year to this year.

For one, Woodcroft is actually giving playing time to younger players. For years, Oilers fans have been wanting to see this. No more Ryan Hamiltons playing top line minutes instead of younger guys. Oilers would sign some AHL vet every year in an attempt to make the Condors/Barons a winning team (which they weren’t) instead of focusing on developing.

sure, the team is a lot better this year. I'm not disputing that. Don't you think it's premature to say the Oilers are good at drafting and developing based on that though?

 

[CodeE]

Seems like every thread that gets started on here involving the Oilers derails with ‘Edmonton can’t draft or develop and has no good prospects’

Our farm team has won the quietest 11 in a row you’ll ever see, largely on the backs of U-23’s like Jones, Marody, Benson, Bear, and Lagesson, with the 24 year old Shane Starrett providing stellar goaltending and the 25 and 26 year old Gambardella and Currie providing goal scoring and leadership. That’s before getting into the strongest CHL group I ever remember this team having.

/minirant

Dude, can you practice what you preach? Here's your response in the recent EDM/NYI thread:

Not even the slightest bit interested. Nuge for a couple B futures and a mediocre bottom pairing defenceman would just about do it for Oiler fans as a whole.

Bellows has 16 points in 48 games in the AHL? Holy ****. Remind me not to take any Islander fan seriously the next time they call Puljujarvi a bust.

You're happy as a clam to fling s*** at Bellows, dismissing and trashing him. But boy howdy, don't you dare speak ill of Oiler prospects. Let's make a thread about how important it is to respect Oilers prospects, and once that's established we can go back to calling non-Oiler prospects busts.

The absolute hypocrisy of some people.

 

[CapnZin]

Tyler Benson is 20, and is 4th in rookie scoring in the AHL. Ahead of guys like Jordan Kyrou, Max Jones, Sam Steel, Logan Brown, and Martin Necas. He was projected as a top-10 talent, but injuries made him drop. He could become a skilled top-6 winger.

Cooper Marody is 21(just turned) year old center, who is absolutely tearing up the AHL. Over a ppg. In his stunt with the Oilers, he looked really good.

Kiril Maksimov is a sniper who has insane numbers in the OHL, a 56 goal, 109 point pace. And he's only 19 years old. Drafted in the 5th round.

Ryan McLeod, Kailer Yamamoto are other more well known players that are projected as future NHLers. And the notion that Yamamoto is a bust is just stupid. Players picked ahead(and behind) him have accomplished no more than he has. Cody Glass, Owen Tippet, Gabriel Vilardi, Nick Suzuki, Ryan Poehling, Morgan Frost, and Eeli Tolvanen are all players considered blue-chip prospects, yet Yamamoto is a bust.

Caleb Jones is playing at a 55 point pace in the AHL, and he's a defensemen. He looked great in his NHL stint, playing 20 minutes a night, with good offensive numbers. Ethan Bear is also doing well in the AHL, and had a good NHL stint last year.

Stuart Skinner, Oliver Rodrigue, Shane Starret, Hayden Hawkey, are all promising goalie prospects.

And obviously, we have Evan Bouchard.

AHL production doesn’t correlate that well with NHL production. It’s really something to hype up and that’s about it... doesn’t mean much.

Cooper Marody was traded to EDM by Philly because he didn’t have a spot on our 4th Line in the following years along with even being a T6 in our AHL squad. Varone, Carey, and more are outproducing him. Varone has been in the NHL for about 25 G, but had well over PPG in the AHL too. He’s at 5TP in the NHL after tossing up 70+ in the AHL last year along with MVP.

How about looking at Jordan Weal... little under PPG in 260 some AHL games. Not great at the NHL. Taylor Leier has a decent AHL career, but can’t play at the NHL level.

Quite frankly, not many people can’t tell how a player will shape up when playing in the AHL to the NHL. It’s easier in other sports because the talent level is marginalized. Not in hockey. But, again, AHL stats don’t mean much. Just something fans overhype about a prospect.

 

[sens13]

lol. it's because the only blue chip prospect they have is bouchard. yamamoto is decent too. the rest are b/c prospects. everyone has those types of prospects. I think the real issue here is that oiler fans overrate their b/c prospects and include them in offers like they have so much value and then get offended when people reject the offer/call it garbage.

Edit: you actually created a thread to discuss this. just shows how much you actually overrate your prospects.

 

[Joey Moss]

Is this thread really necessary?

 

[Funk21]

Is this thread really necessary?

No

 

[SEALBound]

Because the values of Oiler prospects when they’re included in trade offers constantly gets downplayed - because they’re Oilers.

That happens to literally every teams prospects. I see you personally do it to others teams prospects all the time. This is no unique on HF to the Oilers.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

yet another thread for the haters to crap on the Oilers. Well, haters, the Oilers have five Stanley Cups.

Hate on that.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

The Oilers would benefit tremendously from being relocated to the WHL

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

sure, the team is a lot better this year. I'm not disputing that. Don't you think it's premature to say the Oilers are good at drafting and developing based on that though?

I agree with you there.

If there was one thing I think Chia did well was to actually draft and develop players beyond the first round.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

The Oilers would benefit tremendously from being relocated to the WHL

What a useless comment.

 

[CupofOil]

Why oh why did you have to put this on the trade board Chaotic? You're just asking to be mocked with a thread like this.

Lets just enjoy the success of the farm team on our own board and let people on the main board think whatever the hell they want to think.

The fact of the matter is that until the Oilers have some prospect successes at the NHL level, they deserve all the vitriol that they get. Quite frankly, their development system with the big club still sucks horrendously.

 

[member 147413]

Most AHL teams are made up of U25 players.

 

[mouser]

Nearly 100 posts and I have yet to see anyone actually discussing trades or trade value.