Post-Game Talk: Can we Clone the game for tomorrow?

[Juxta Position]

I've said many times before. Going to a 2 ref system sent the system into serious decline.

Expansion has not only meant a shortage of players but a shortage of capable refs. There doesn't seem to be enough to go around.

I don't believe that's what it is, In fact, the NHL had much better "plausible deniability" when there was only one ref on the ice to manage the game. Game management has always been a thing, the 70's and 80's were the wild west in the NHL but with only one ref on the ice the NHL could always use the excuse of "one man can't see everything going on out there". With two refs, one in the play and one behind it, they can't use that excuse anymore and fans have noticed how truly crooked the NHL officiating is when there are eyes on everything now.

It's not a question of competency with the refs, it's mandate. the league tells the refs how they want the games officiated to create the most "excitement" and maintain Bettmans wet dream of league parity, and those refs are, in the NHL's eyes, knocking it out of the park.

Gary Bettmans job is not to protect the integrity of the game, it's to make money for the owners, plain and simple, he does not give two squirrely poo's about the game, the players, or anything else that does not directly involve making the most money he can for the owners. It's a business and he's there to make money, the reffing will never improve until the owners start to not care about profits, which will obviously never happen.,

 

[K1984]

The Wild leaning in to this nonsense with him "being injured" is extra pathetic. Especially still employing serial slewfooter Ryan Hartman.

On one of Friedman’s more recent podcasts he said that NHL managers are raising the issue of the Florida Panther Special - faking an injury and going off ice in an attempt to draw a major then coming back instantly.

Didn’t provide any insight on recommended measures to stop it, but thankfully it’s at least on the radar. Something like if you go to the room and a major is called you’re out for the next 20 mins of play.

I’ll never forget Game 4 of the Final. Was sitting directly across from the Panther bench after Nurse “kneed” Bennett. The exact second he saw the officials start to discuss the play he instantly rushed to the room. It was so obvious it was embarrassing.

 

[K1984]

I've said many times before. Going to a 2 ref system sent the system into serious decline.

Expansion has not only meant a shortage of players but a shortage of capable refs. There doesn't seem to be enough to go around.

Honestly the newer refs tend to not be all that bad. There are a few bad apples, but generally they’re inoffensive.

It’s the old guard that are pretty much a f***ing joke across the board. Sutherland, Kozari and Lee are the three horsemen of the apocalypse and they’re all old as dirt. Chris Rooney and John Macissac right behind them. Pretty much any time a game is a total circus take a look and I promise most of the time you’ll see one of these names.

Lee did the game last night and was the clown in the corner staring at the slew foot on Leon.

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

I was in grade 3 during that time, holy f***.

Can I just say Louie's commentary there is such BS. What an Oiler hater.

 

[K1984]

Can I just say Louie's commentary there is such BS. What an Oiler hater.

I’ve generally excused Louie’s fixation on the other team as an attempt to be neutral or poor production trying to push a concerted effort to introduce the other team.

Last night was ridiculous though. It’s too much. When Nurse took the first penalty it was about the only 20 seconds they spent in our end after we spend the first two shifts in theirs. Starts droning on about how they “hemmed in” the Oilers to draw the penalty and how dominant they were blah blah blah.

It was literally the only moment they had spent in our end in the game at that point.

 

[oilers4life5]

Also, if an Oilers player called out officiating like this this you know they're getting fined and the refs will go even further out of their way to not call things against the Oil. We saw it for years after McDavid showed up whatever that p***y refs name was for pointing upstairs. League should be fining Middleton for being a huge bitch and whining about officiating. Which, we all know they never do.

It's like saying "I don't care if he's the best player in the world", is a get out of jail free card for these f***s. McDavid then should be able to say, "i don't care if he's a piece of shit 4th liner, who doesn't even deserve league min, you gotta call that on him."

Steve Kozari was his name and the NHL f***ed us by letting him ref the finals.

 

[Paralyzer]

No fine expected for McDavid's elbow to Johansson. Just like no fine expected to Hartman for Slew-footing Draisaitl. It's all correct in the world.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

This guy deserves to play soccer for the rest of his career.

I bet he is back right away and this is a move to influence DOPS

 

[TB12]

Can I just say Louie's commentary there is such BS. What an Oiler hater.

Agreed. Louie just continues to get worse.

Middleton looks like a pervert with that moustache.

 

[Paralyzer]

I bet he is back right away and this is a move to influence DOPS

Not happening. It's reported already by Seravelli there is no fine expected.

 

[AM]

On mcdavid having to protect himself. Maybe if the refs called the rules of the game he wouldn’t have to make sure he doesn’t get injured every game. Mcdavid was skating without the puck and the wild player obstructs his movement. I’d get my elbows up to as it’s clear the refs aren’t calling the game.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Jesus Christ, what a stupid philosophy towards a contract sport. Just let the opposition run wild and do whatever they want to our stars eh? Obviously you never played the game.

Stupid is thinking Josh Brown going after a guy like Hartman is going to make him think twice about the shit he pulls. It won’t, guys like Hartman live for the rough stuff, all you’re doing is giving him exactly what he wants by focusing on what he’s doing instead of focusing on the game and likely even hurting your team taking stupid retaliatory penalties.

The best way to counter that behaviour is by beating them up on the scoreboard and finishing checks on their better players. That’s when the guys on his team are going to be yelling down the bench telling him to knock it off.

 

[BlackDogg]

Minnesota is assembling quite a collection of misfits that should make the Flames proud.

Couthless bunch.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

On mcdavid having to protect himself. Maybe if the refs called the rules of the game he wouldn’t have to make sure he doesn’t get injured every game. Mcdavid was skating without the puck and the wild player obstructs his movement. I’d get my elbows up to as it’s clear the refs aren’t calling the game.

I like what Theo Fleury used to tell his team back in CGY hey day. He would get lumber right at peoples faces when they tried to run him. He said it really did stop a lot of them from running him as a smaller player lol. McDavid needs to get a little dirtier. Or at least flop like a few Minny guys did. Stop being so noble and ethical.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I want nothing to do with them in the playoffs. They were missing their top scorer and their top 2-3 defensemen. They are a sold team and I would not want to play a 7 game series against them. We seriously need more beef. And not spoiled meat like Josh Brown. Aged Beef like Perry is ok but not the answer.

 

[Messrules11]

Stupid is thinking Josh Brown going after a guy like Hartman is going to make him think twice about the shit he pulls. It won’t, guys like Hartman live for the rough stuff, all you’re doing is giving him exactly what he wants by focusing on what he’s doing instead of focusing on the game and likely even hurting your team taking stupid retaliatory penalties.

The best way to counter that behaviour is by beating them up on the scoreboard and finishing checks on their better players. That’s when the guys on his team are going to be yelling down the bench telling him to knock it off.

No, stupid is just throwing your hands in the air and doing nothing. Give an inch and they take a mile. Draisaitl gets kicked ffs, apart from a hit from behind into the boards or a stick swing it’s probably the worst infraction in the game.
What if Draisaitl gets cut open? You still of the same opinion?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

No, stupid is just throwing your hands in the air and doing nothing. Give an inch and they take a mile. Draisaitl gets kicked for ffs, apart from a hit from behind into the boards or a stick swing it’s probably the worst infraction in the game.
What if Draisaitl gets cut open? You still of the same opinion?

And you think Josh brown fighting someone is going to stop Hartman from being a garbage player?

Lucic being on the ice didn’t stop savard from having his career ended

 

[Messrules11]

And you think Josh brown fighting someone is going to stop Hartman from being a garbage player?

Lucic being on the ice didn’t stop savard from having his career ended

Who cares if it stops him? Letting a dirty player run wild is unacceptable. Did a Claude Lemieux get away with his dirty play or was he made accountable?

 

[Slats432]

I would have been fine with a fine on McDavid. I said on the main boards that I like my stars a little bit crazy. (Messier, Anderson)

 

[ThePhoenixx]

No, stupid is just throwing your hands in the air and doing nothing. Give an inch and they take a mile. Draisaitl gets kicked ffs, apart from a hit from behind into the boards or a stick swing it’s probably the worst infraction in the game.
What if Draisaitl gets cut open? You still of the same opinion?

Can you imagine what would happen if McSorley, Brown, Semenko, etc. were on the ice when that happened?

Gretzky didn't give Semenko praise and gifts for no reason and his opinion is preferred over most others on this subject.

Semenko scared people. It's easy to ignore that human trait when you're on the internet.

 

[Messrules11]

Can you imagine what would happen if McSorley, Brown, Semenko, etc. were on the ice when that happened?

Gretzky didn't give Semenko praise and gifts for no reason and his opinion is preferred over most others on this subject.

Semenko scared people. It's easy to ignore that human trait when you're on the internet.

I’m glad someone here gets it, guy kicks Draisaitl and half the board here says play on. Just ridiculous.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I’m glad someone here gets it, guy kicks Draisaitl and half the board here says play on. Just ridiculous.

My favourite part is was so egregious that Jack noticed and they showed the replay, and Louie was still wishy washy about about. I wonder what Louie would have done if a player did that to him while he was playing? He would beat Hartman to death lol.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Can I just say Louie's commentary there is such BS. What an Oiler hater.

Louie is every other teams biggest cheerleader. Going to be a great day when he's off the job

 

[oilers4life5]

Lol yeah I’m sure it worked in whatever Mickey Mouse leagues you played in. You strike me as the type of guy who’d be running around in a Tuesday night beer league game when everyone has to go to work the next day.

You believe getting punched in the face is going to change a guys behaviour because you’re scared of getting punched in the face. Guys like Hartman want that smoke, you go after him (and probably take a penalty) and he knows what he’s doing is working and he’s just going to keep doing it.

You know nothing about me bro or what leagues I played in. Based on your comment it gives me insight into the type of person you are. Embarrassing. Not even worth a discussion with you.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Josh Brown makes me yearn for Klingberg

Josh Brown makes me ask aloud, "how do you think (insert random forward's name) would do on the blueline?