Nalyd Psycho
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I don't believe that Gilmour and Bure are locks.
But, Dick Duff is there because the HHoF is a sham that isn't worth paying any attention to.
But, Dick Duff is there because the HHoF is a sham that isn't worth paying any attention to.
Slapshooter
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It's because Dick Duff has a cheesy porn star name. They dig things like that in the HOF.
Crosbyfan
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Why only choose those two? I'm better than Duff was and so's my dog.
OK somewhat exaggerated, I'm no good at all and don't have a dog.
But add Mark Howe, for starters.
ish
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Because he played in Toronto and was/is (is he dead?) friends with half the selection committee.
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BM67
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He won 6 Stanley Cups, played in 9 Finals, scored a Cup winning goal, played in 7 all-star games, and was the leading scorer on a Memorial Cup winner.
Add Bure's and Gilmour's careers together and they top him in all-star games 8 to 7.
Add Bure's and Gilmour's careers together and they top him in all-star games 8 to 7.
Nalyd Psycho
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Cups (And Finals appearances)are a team victory. He had a couple of great playoffs, but, was consistently a 2nd liner on cup winners. That logic gets Regean Houle and John Tonelli in the Hall. Heck, Duff's career highlight is twice being 2nd in playoff scoring on a cup winner. Bob Bourne was once 1st and once 3rd, he never gets a sniff at the hall.
Mike Rupp has a Stanley Cup winning goal, nuff said. Other names:
Bob Kelly
Frantisek Kaberle
Travis Moen
Eddie Shack
Pete Langelle
Point made?
7 All-Star games, any group that involves Petr Buzek isn't HoF criteria.
Memorial cup, yeah, lets include Rob Brown's IHL scoring while we're at it.
Nothing in Dick Duff's career is HHoF material. At this point in time, Roberto Luongo is already more worthy with a Hart nomination and 2 2nd team All-Stars.
If you can't be a 1st pairing/1st line/starter on a contender and you're never on a post season all-star team, there's no point even being concidered for the Hall of Fame, let alone elected to it.
Dick Duff is proof positive that the Hockey Hall of Fame is nothing more than an Old Boys Club and not worthy of any hockey fans attention.
All-Star games are useless pre-1967 because the Stanley Cup champion was one of the team every year. Depth players on great teams like Dollard St. Laurent played in 5-6 All-Star games. Most of Duff's appearances were when he was a 3rd-liner on Montreal and Toronto championship winners, and he had a couple right at the start of his career when he was one of the better players on a horrible Maple Leafs team.
I can give a resume like that for all kinds of players in the Original 6 era who aren't even close to the HHOF.
He was never top-10 in scoring. He wasn't considered a defensive ace like Bob Pulford or Claude Provost. He had one season over 50 points in his career (which even adjusting for era is pretty damn weak) and was turning in 25-point seasons in the middle of his career.
He might have been a borderline top-25 player in the league for a couple years at the start of his career with Toronto. For most of his career, he was a 3rd-liner, never one of the top 30 players in the game, wasn't one of the 8 most important players on either the Montreal or Toronto teams of the 1960s, and was basically a utility player with a knack for scoring clutch goals. That this player is in the HHOF is a joke.
You don't have to put up huge stats to be in the HHOF, but you do have to be one of the core players on your team, and a legitimately upper-end player in the league for one reason or another. Duff simply wasn't.
I've challenged anyone before to justify why Dick Duff has a better HHOF resume than Bob Bourne, and I have yet to hear a reason.
Can somebody tell me why Dick Duff is in the HOF?
Because he received the necessary number of votes.
Because he received the necessary number of votes.
pappyline
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He was in all of those all star games because he was on the cup winner who played the all stars of the other 5 teams. He was never actually selected to an all star team.
and I really liked Dick Duff.
tinyzombies
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I would first say that points aren't everything. Look at Mike Gartner.
Duff was a winner. He did the dirty work as a checker. He was an elite player.
Scoring isn't the only component of the game.
But my only sources for this are a vague memory of what I've read and what I've seen on video and how people glowed about him in interviews from that time.
Nalyd Psycho
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Correction, he would have to have been selected 3 times. 7 appearances, 6 cups, 2 cups after the all-star game format was changed.
pappyline
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Right. He was never selected as a official all star but would have been a fill in 3 times. Makes sense as he was actually leafs best player in the mid 50's. scored 29 goals one year which was good for the times. imlach turned him into a more defensive player.
BM67
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Nalyd Psycho
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It's widely accepted that Bob Gainey is an exception to all rules when it comes to the HHoF. For someone else to get that sort of exception it would need to be proven that they utilize an intangible in a manor that puts them above and beyond all other competators. Dick Duff has no such claim.
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If Duff is in the Hall of Fame, his contemporary Claude Provost should be, too.
Provost won more Stanley Cups (9 vs. 6) and played in more all-star games (11 vs. 7). Duff was a good two-way player but Provost was one of the best of his era and probably would have won a few Selke's had they been around back then. Provost easily beats Duff's career highs in goals (33 vs. 24) and assists (37 vs. 24). Provost scored more points that Duff in fewer games.
Duff was never a top-ten scorer; Provost finished in the top ten twice (1962, 1965) and finished 2nd in goals to Bobby Hull one year. Unlike Duff, Provost earned a spot as a 1st-team all-star.
Provost was better defensively, better offensively, earned more accolades and was on more Cup-winning teams. He's easily a better play than Duff and I don't understand why Duff was inducted first.
Provost won more Stanley Cups (9 vs. 6) and played in more all-star games (11 vs. 7). Duff was a good two-way player but Provost was one of the best of his era and probably would have won a few Selke's had they been around back then. Provost easily beats Duff's career highs in goals (33 vs. 24) and assists (37 vs. 24). Provost scored more points that Duff in fewer games.
Duff was never a top-ten scorer; Provost finished in the top ten twice (1962, 1965) and finished 2nd in goals to Bobby Hull one year. Unlike Duff, Provost earned a spot as a 1st-team all-star.
Provost was better defensively, better offensively, earned more accolades and was on more Cup-winning teams. He's easily a better play than Duff and I don't understand why Duff was inducted first.
So he had better fortune than Jeremy Roenick or Mats Sundin. I still don't see how that earns him a spot in the Hall of Fame.
Dick Duff has friends on the selection committe. There is no justification based on his playing career. The HOF is a sham.
Big Phil
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Bob Gainey won 4 Selke awards (an award that started because of him because he was so good at what he did). Plus he won a Conn Smythe Trophy. Not to mention 5 Cups. If the Selke had been around in Duff's time guys like Pulford, Armstrong and Keon would have won it ahead of him. Give Duff 4 retro-active Selkes and we'll talk but it didnt happen
Big Phil
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Okay a slight problem with that. Glenn Anderson was a winner too. Individually he was a much better player than Duff. Tonelli won 4 Cups, so did Bourne and so did Goring. To say he was an elite player is far-fetched. Sure points arent everything but why does a guy get in 31 years after he's eligible? Keep in mind we arent talking about Anderson, Neely, Vachon, Howe here. Can you remember anyone - I mean anyone - that suggested Duff to be in the Hall before he was in there? I've been on these boards for 4 years and never here did I ever come across one of those "Best not in the Hall" threads where anyone had Duff's name on it. No one mentioned him ever - not ever!
That alone should be a sign, but to some it isnt. Federko and Gillies were both controversial but even with Federko he always had that tag of a player not in the Hall with xxxxxxxxxx amount of points. Duff didnt even have that.
Gillies being in the Hall is troublesome, but Duff being in there is scary, very scary. It makes you wonder what they would have done for an encore these "experts" on the HHOF committee (that include Scotty Bowman) had there not been 4 obvious choices for 2007. I dont know about you but it makes me nervous for 2008.
Nalyd Psycho
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The things that make me cringe is why a guy like Dick Duff has been inducted 31 years after his 1st year of eligibility. An HOF career is one right from straight from the day you hang em' up. There must have been a reason why he wasn't induted before. Somewhere along the road, that reason suddenly didn't matter anymore and the guy was voted in. I'd like to say that it is because they lowered the standard but even in this case Ciccarelli (which I'm strongly against), Anderson, Gilmour, Dillon, Bure and many other should have been honoured before.
This induction looks like a bold gift given to a good fella. At least we know why Howe and Tremblay aren't in even if they should be. The only reason Duff had was his lack of credentials...up to 2006. Must be like wine.
This induction looks like a bold gift given to a good fella. At least we know why Howe and Tremblay aren't in even if they should be. The only reason Duff had was his lack of credentials...up to 2006. Must be like wine.
seventieslord
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It's the worst selection ever. He's friends with the old boys club that votes on these matters. I think they should be ashamed of themselves personally.
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