Can Hellebuyck win the Hart Trophy?

[Channelcat]

If we were being objective, goalies would win it nearly every year. And that's why they generally don't vote for goalies for the Hart.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He has a legit shot. Head and shoulders better than any other goalie numbers wise.

 

[abax44]

The season is only half over.

Yes...?

 

[robertocarlos]

No. The Jets with Comrie in net for 65 games would still make the playoffs.

 

[Skolman]

Yes he can. Lots of season to go, though. Currently between he and MacKinnon, IMO.

Mackinnon over Draisaitl?

That's quite comical

 

[PhilJets]

The season is only half over.

Then consider his wins ratio when his playing .
If he gets to 50 win and poor comrie cant buy a win for the team.

Thst is something amazing also.

That is most valuavle player right there.

And shutout va losr ratio
it keeps going

the under 2 is going to be very hard to do in this age.

 

[Deno]

Then consider his wins ratio when his playing .
If he gets to 50 win and poor comrie cant buy a win for the team.

Thst is something amazing also.

That is most valuavle player right there.

And shutout va losr ratio
it keeps going

the under 2 is going to be very hard to do in this age.

Agree, under 2 by the end of the season is virtually imposable.
That said if he does achieve this, I think that would guarantee him the Hart.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Then consider his wins ratio when his playing .
If he gets to 50 win and poor comrie cant buy a win for the team.

Thst is something amazing also.

That is most valuavle player right there.

And shutout va losr ratio
it keeps going

the under 2 is going to be very hard to do in this age

If we can keep up his current pace for the rest of the season I would say he has a chance.

 

[Gm0ney]

Theodore was pretty far ahead of everyone else and that Montreal team in front of him was pretty bad.

Price was also significantly ahead of the next closest guy, and put up one of the highest single season SV% at the absolute peak of league average SV%.

Hellebuyck's not very far ahead of Stolarz, although he's played more than twice as many games, so sample size alert.

Fun fact: Stolarz was the goalie the Jets were down in the NAHL watching back in 2011-12 when scout/Moose goalie coach Rick St. Croix flagged the opposing goalie as one they should be looking at (Hellebuyck's team won 2-1 in a shootout).

 

[Peter Puck]

When Price won the Habs scored 2.61 goals/game. The Jets are currently 3.60 goals/game. Price's gaa 1.96 is better than Hellebuyck's 1.99.

The year Theodore won the Habs scored 2.52 goals/game and still made the playoffs.

Both Theodore and Price were much more valuable to the Habs than Hellebuyck is to the Jets.

 

[PhilJets]

When Price won the Habs scored 2.61 goals/game. The Jets are currently 3.60 goals/game. Price's gaa 1.96 is better than Hellebuyck's 1.99.

The year Theodore won the Habs scored 2.52 goals/game and still made the playoffs.

Both Theodore and Price were much more valuable to the Habs than Hellebuyck is to the Jets.

You have a point now, though i don't know how those reflect vs league average .

But If Helly breaks 50 wins and nobody has done it before i believe.
And the back up can't buy any wins for the Jets and
The team sits on top 2-3 league wide and even possibly president cup trophy winner.


I'm just being a homer and rooting for Helly to Win Pearson, Hart and Vezina. Fingers cross .

 

[Jets]

Hopefully if he keeps this up for the next couple of seasons he can pass Pavelec for the best Jets goalie in the 2.0 era

 

[Bender Duster]

He’s currently leading the league in wins, shots against, saves, GAA, shut outs and probably a bunch of other goalie stats. He’s got to be a front runner if that keeps up for the rest of the season.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

He is having a monster season:

Clearly that's a hacked NHL2K4 game, I wasn't born last week.

 

[Zalos]

Yep.

 

[895]

I think he’s gonna win. All the forwards in the art ross race have won a hart before. There’s some fatigue there. If MacKinnon didn’t hart last year I would say no chance.

 

[bobholly39]

I'm going to talk about dynamics and voting trends more then actual stats, in regards to Hart Trophy chances

What hurts his chances:

1. He just won the Vezina last year, in dominating fashion. I think it would have helped his odds more if he hadn't, and if this season was a bit more of a surprise/shocking then it is. Hart voters will be less likely to throw votes his way then they would have been otherwise I think.

2. The top 4 scorers in the league right now are MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Kucherov, and McDavid. They're the 4 best players. That's who he's competing with in the second half. And because of how good those 4 players are, I could see any of them (or, even all of them) having insane second halves to the season and distancing themselves from Helle (just like Kuch, Mack & McDavid lapped the field last year)

What helps his chances:

1. Despite Mack/Kuch/Drai/McD being top 4 in points, the highest pace among the 4 is only 128 points as of today. Winning a Ross at 128 points after McDavid did 150+, and Mack/Kuch 140+ last year, would be a step down. Voters may look elsewhere (ie a goalie) for Hart votes. (of course - there's the chance any of those 4 up their pace and end up closer to ~140 points again)

2. Winnipeg came out of nowhere. I personally had them a bubble team going into this year. The hockey world in general definitely prefered Colorado and Dallas in the Central, and possibly Nashville. Winnipeg unexpectedly doing so well this year, with Helle at the helm, is a huge argument in his favor.

So - there are some dynamics that play in his favor, and some that hurt him from a hart voting standpoint.

My prediction - I do expect some of the forwards (Mack, Kuch, McD, Drai) to explode in the second half - and at the same time Helle to slow down slightly, so no, I don't think he'll win. But, we'll see how it plays out, it's a fantastic season so far.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

He should be in the running. But the Jets need to give the guy some rest in the 2nd half of the season. They always ride him too much and he's just not fresh come playoff Time.

 

[10YearsHaveGone]

 

[Adam da bomb]

He should be in the running. But the Jets need to give the guy some rest in the 2nd half of the season. They always ride him too much and he's just not fresh come playoff Time.

Depends. Will the other team only get 20 shots like last night or will the Jets d allow 30 + shots per game.

 

[PensandCaps]

He should be considered

 

[Mez]

He would need to be substantially separate himself from the other goalies. It also doesn't help that 2 of the top 4 goal scorers in the league are on his team and 2 in the top 10 for points. its not like he is carrying a team on his own.

 

[Bender Duster]

He would need to be substantially separate himself from the other goalies. It also doesn't help that 2 of the top 4 goal scorers in the league are on his team and 2 in the top 10 for points. its not like he is carrying a team on his own.

It’s funny. In this thread Helle gets discredited because Jets forwards are too good. Scroll down a couple of threads and you’ll read about Jets forwards being discredited because their goalie carries them.