Cameras in the crossbar and on the blueline

[Derrty]

Just play with no goalies.

Problem solved.

 

[llamateizer]

let the puck explode if it crosses the line

 

[ElysiumAB]

would've been hilarious if the linesman was blocking the camera at that moment

At full speed during the game, I thought it was - guess I was wrong.

It is still awful how poor the video quality is, then you see the refs reviewing the poor quality video on 6 inch screens.

It's also silly the league has ruled off many many goals due to the parallax effect of different camera angles - not being able to overturn anything due to the angle being inconclusive, yet is fine using that same camera angle on the right to determine offside. Seems like the logic should apply to both, but they don't rule it that way.

 

[TheOtherOne]

where exactly would you put the chip? seeing as how the entire puck has to cross the line, putting it dead centre wouldnt help. you would have to put chips all around the outer diameter of the puck with each chip being numbered or coded. the first chip to cross the line trips the sensor and the chip number or code is recorded. then the last chip to cross the line has its number or code recorded. look at it like a clock, twelve chips numbered just like a clock. if chip number six trips the sensor but chip number twelve doesnt, then its not a goal. if chip four trips the sensor, chip 10 better be the last chip to cross the line.
and seeing as how the chips would be getting smacked pretty hard with sticks, they better be able to take a beating man.........

Sorry but this argument is just dumb. If you want to improve the system, you SIMPLIFY. Simplify is the name of the game.

Change the rule to say that "if the center of mass of the puck crosses the goal line, a goal has been scored". Then you put the chip in the center of the puck.

You don't have to worry about nonsense like orientation and spin. Just simplify the rule and the game becomes black and white. Nothing else changes. Problem solved.

 

[Oil Gauge]

At full speed during the game, I thought it was - guess I was wrong.

It is still awful how poor the video quality is, then you see the refs reviewing the poor quality video on 6 inch screens.

It's also silly the league has ruled off many many goals due to the parallax effect of different camera angles - not being able to overturn anything due to the angle being inconclusive, yet is fine using that same camera angle on the right to determine offside. Seems like the logic should apply to both, but they don't rule it that way.

This whole thing about the refs only having a 6 inch screen to look at the replay is stupid. They have the war room in Toronto to work with on these reviews, they have full size screens to look at to help interpret the play. If the refs aren't sure what they are looking at they just have to ask, it's not a big deal.

 

[BruinsFTW]

You'd think by now they would have something in the puck/goal line/posts that the light automatically goes off when the puck crosses..

Good start tho..

I'd hope they tested them in different positions first but...

Seemed to work well last night so far

 

[Car2014]

Wouldn't cameras like they sometimes use in soccer to decide if a goal has been scored also work in hockey?
At least get a better picture quality, those videos are awful to look at.

 

[ElysiumAB]

This whole thing about the refs only having a 6 inch screen to look at the replay is stupid. They have the war room in Toronto to work with on these reviews, they have full size screens to look at to help interpret the play. If the refs aren't sure what they are looking at they just have to ask, it's not a big deal.

It's hurting the perception and brand of a league worth billions and billions of dollars. It's easily fixable with off-the-shelf technology. If you think that's stupid, okay.

 

[rahzar]

While I like the addition of the new cameras, I was expecting the blue-line cameras to be flush with the boards, a few inches off the ice.

 

[Nonvolition]

What we really need is a "sure goal" line inside the net. If any part of the puck touches that line, it's a goal. Put cameras inside the net, at ice level, on either side of this line.

 

[LowSodium]

It's like when people hear "chip" they think of a full on CPU or something. Chips now can be as thin as cardstock, and you'd only need ~2 for tracking, probably with some type of antenna as well.

Here you go NHL, feel free to use my design.

 

[OneMoreAstronaut]

So, any photo examples of images taken from the view of these cameras yet? Or is that war-room-only material?

 

[The Cheat]

It's like when people hear "chip" they think of a full on CPU or something. Chips now can be as thin as cardstock, and you'd only need ~2 for tracking, probably with some type of antenna as well.

Here you go NHL, feel free to use my design.

You would need 16. 8 on each side extending in an inverted 8-sided cone originating from the chip in the exact center

 

[ichabod13]

using your design, im assuming that the green rectangles are the chips and the red dot is the transmitter, lets say that the yellow line is the goal line and the puck is traveling from the top of your screen towards the bottom. the location of those chips would only indicate that half the puck crossed the line. there is nothing to show that the top ( 12:00 on a clock ) part of the puck crossed the line. thats why i said that they would have to do something around the diameter of the puck.
personally, i think putting chips in the pucks and setting up sensors would be a waste of time and money ( think of how many pucks a team goes through each year ).
its a game played by people, why not let it be officiated by people?

 

[Avder]

1) what happens if both chips cross the line at the same time?
2) what if the 10:00 expiration date hits while the puck is still in play and a goal is scored 0:30 later? what if a penalty is called after the 10:00 expiration date?

believe me here man, im all for getting calls right. ive seen my favourite team get screwed over by bad calls time and time again. but it seems like every time the NHL ( or any sport ) tries to "perfect" their officiating, the more cans of worms they open. no matter what they do, it will raise another issue.

sports ( and life in general ) will always have "human error" involved. and the more you try to correct it, the more you **** it up.

1. Only one chip tracks position. The other chip is like a gyroscope and it tracks a pucks orientation. Using the orientation of the puck, we can easily determine the distance the location chip must have traveled past the goal line for the whole puck to have crossed.

2. You build it to last 20 minutes on its battery. You take it out of the game 10 real-time minutes later to make damn sure it never dies while in play. If for some reason it does die in play, you revert to the current methods.

 

[Oil Gauge]

It's hurting the perception and brand of a league worth billions and billions of dollars. It's easily fixable with off-the-shelf technology. If you think that's stupid, okay.

Yeah because people have stopped watching because the refs look at plays on a tablet...

 

[ichabod13]

1. Only one chip tracks position. The other chip is like a gyroscope and it tracks a pucks orientation. Using the orientation of the puck, we can easily determine the distance the location chip must have traveled past the goal line for the whole puck to have crossed.

2. You build it to last 20 minutes on its battery. You take it out of the game 10 real-time minutes later to make damn sure it never dies while in play. If for some reason it does die in play, you revert to the current methods.

1) ok, lets go with this idea. where do you put the "location" chip and where do you put the "orientation" chip?
1a) a question i asked earlier, what if both chips cross the line at the same time? no matter how you look at it, there are two parallel points of the puck that cross the line at the exact same time.

2) i have no problems with that idea. im not sure the owners would like it, but they only pay the bills right? your average hockey game lasts for two and a quarter to two and a half ( real ) hours or so? that equals twelve to fifteen pucks thrown away because they are useless. add on the seven to ten pucks that go into the crowd. multiply that by forty one home games and you are talking about a lot of pucks man.......and team owners arent in this business too SPEND money, they are in this too MAKE money.

im not trying to bust your balls or anything like that man, hell, i love question and answer threads with people that ask and answer questions with logic instead of idiotic responses like "lets just have the puck explode when it crosses the line".

 

[NSH615]

1) ok, lets go with this idea. where do you put the "location" chip and where do you put the "orientation" chip?
1a) a question i asked earlier, what if both chips cross the line at the same time? no matter how you look at it, there are two parallel points of the puck that cross the line at the exact same time.

2) i have no problems with that idea. im not sure the owners would like it, but they only pay the bills right? your average hockey game lasts for two and a quarter to two and a half ( real ) hours or so? that equals twelve to fifteen pucks thrown away because they are useless. add on the seven to ten pucks that go into the crowd. multiply that by forty one home games and you are talking about a lot of pucks man.......and team owners arent in this business too SPEND money, they are in this too MAKE money.

im not trying to bust your balls or anything like that man, hell, i love question and answer threads with people that ask and answer questions with logic instead of idiotic responses like "lets just have the puck explode when it crosses the line".

Since pretty much all pucks that I have seen come from the home team, they may be able to get sponsors tied with this to cover the increased costs. The Preds already have a Fifth Third Bank logo on the back of the puck with the Preds logo on the front. After that, work with the broadcasting partners to have the close up replay's sponsored by this same sponsor so that they get their name out or something to that effect.

And as a side note, not alot of team owners are in this to truly MAKE money. It is more of a hobby of sorts. "I'm the owner of this team" type thing as they are millionaire/billionaire types.

 

[donghabs98]

This was something that should have been implemented years ago.

 

[canadianmagpie]

Wouldn't cameras like they sometimes use in soccer to decide if a goal has been scored also work in hockey?
At least get a better picture quality, those videos are awful to look at.

Probably not as I think it requires a number of cameras to determine the exact position of the ball. I would guess with the number of players that would be around the net would prevent the clear shots the cameras need.

While I like the addition of the new cameras, I was expecting the blue-line cameras to be flush with the boards, a few inches off the ice.

As am I, though honestly, I don't know why they're so short on money they can't have both?

 

[KCC]

I did not know that there were cameras in the cross bar. All the talk was about them being on the blue line to help coaches challenges. I never heard anything about them in the net and I've watched every game so far. haha.

 

[Oil Gauge]

I did not know that there were cameras in the cross bar. All the talk was about them being on the blue line to help coaches challenges. I never heard anything about them in the net and I've watched every game so far. haha.

It's been 3 days.

 

[canadianguy77]

using your design, im assuming that the green rectangles are the chips and the red dot is the transmitter, lets say that the yellow line is the goal line and the puck is traveling from the top of your screen towards the bottom. the location of those chips would only indicate that half the puck crossed the line. there is nothing to show that the top ( 12:00 on a clock ) part of the puck crossed the line. thats why i said that they would have to do something around the diameter of the puck.
personally, i think putting chips in the pucks and setting up sensors would be a waste of time and money ( think of how many pucks a team goes through each year ).
its a game played by people, why not let it be officiated by people?

Gambling is a multi-billion dollar a year business. It wants as few variables as possible.

 

[Benneguin]

Looks like the call could have been made with the regular camera angle just fine.

 

[Dirby Kach]

Gambling is a multi-billion dollar a year business. It wants as few variables as possible.

the NHL has no vested interest in the gambling business.