Rumor: Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability

[Viqsi]

Cool. What's your point though?

ALEX TUCH. The point is that ALEX TUCH is another such player for the Sabres the same way Moser is for the Lightning.

FFS, this shouldn't be something that has to be spelled out for you. It's been said more than enough times to get the damn hint.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I'd suggest you actually look at the list of Hobey Baker winners. There's far more guys who flamed out or never really amounted to much. That said, it's been a bit better of late with guys like Eichel, Makar, Fantilli, and Celebrini. However the one thing all those guys had in common is they were very high draft picks. I like Howard enough as a prospect, but he's certainly getting a bit overhyped by some TB fans as he's a bit of a big fish in a small pond.

Those guys also all won the award as teenagers (except Makar, who was 20, but dmen have later development curves vs forwards). Eichel and Celebrini won it before they were even drafted. Guys who win it in their 20s rarely amount to much in the NHL.

 

[DFC]

not wrong, but we don’t need to add another notch to it

Just thinking out loud here, but Buffalo's situation reminds me a bit of pre-Vinik Lightning. More history to Buffalo's suffering, no doubt, but I'm thinking mainly about incompetent management.

TB was in a better position for sure, but there were a lot of growing pains in the early years of the Yzerman era. I mean, we had a lot of prospects perform much better than anticipated, but the thing that really steadied the team was bringing in Ben Bishop. That's really where TB went from a team full of potential to a team that began to realize their potential. And honestly, Bishop doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves. For as much talent as those young teams had, it was near MVP level performances from Bishop that saved us most nights.

Again, just thinking out loud, but could a lot of these problems stem from a decade + of not being able to find a goalie who can bail out a growing team on a semi consistent basis?

 

[Djp]

ALEX TUCH. The point is that ALEX TUCH is another such player for the Sabres the same way Moser is for the Lightning.

Its not just that....

Sabres dont have many people like him in their system who hs size and skll. Hed valued.

Also ....he was the high profile acquisition piece as part of the Eichel trade

Trading him for table scraps does not cut it

 

[Irie]

I am indifferent to buffalo however please get a true GM to actually make them relevant again

Not sure getting a "true GM" is an option until they get an owner who doesn't install himself as president of hockey operations and sit in on all meetings and actively participate in all hockey decisions, while keeping costs down. Are there any "true GMs" who are likely to take that job? Especially knowing that if they did, they would probably find their hands somewhat tied?

The solution starts with Pegula selling or stepping aside and hiring a "true" president of hockey operations.

 

[DFC]

Not sure getting a "true GM" is an option until they get an owner who doesn't install himself as president of hockey operations and sit in on all meetings and actively participate in all hockey decisions, while keeping costs down. Are there any "true GMs" who are likely to take that job? Especially knowing that if they did, they would probably find their hands somewhat tied?

The solution starts with Pegula selling or stepping aside and hiring a "true" president of hockey operations.

What's Pierre McGuire up to? Lol

 

[Rschmitz]

ALEX TUCH. The point is that ALEX TUCH is another such player for the Sabres the same way Moser is for the Lightning.

FFS, this shouldn't be something that has to be spelled out for you. It's been said more than enough times to get the damn hint.

Literally everyone has said that Buffalo would get way above fair value for Tuch if traded, where is the point you are making? The argument in this thread and what most non-Buffalo fans have suggested is that they should take advantage of that since they aren't competing this year. We'd absolutely deal Moser if someone offered us an overpayment when we aren't priming for the postseason.

 

[Viqsi]

Your over reaction is completely unnecessary and isn't a good look.

Literally everyone has said that Buffalo would get way above fair value for Tuch if traded, where is the point you are making? The argument in this thread and what most non-Buffalo fans have suggested is that they should take advantage of that since they aren't competing this year. We'd absolutely deal Moser if someone offered us an overpayment when we aren't priming for the postseason.

Swap out "priming for the postseason" with "trying to correctly and effectively develop our existing oversized pool of youth" and you've just stated the Buffalo position on Tuch. The only substantial difference is that you seem to have decided that Buffalo's development needs are secondary and inferior to your playoff improvement wants.

 

[Irie]

Literally everyone has said that Buffalo would get way above fair value for Tuch if traded, where is the point you are making? The argument in this thread and what most non-Buffalo fans have suggested is that they should take advantage of that since they aren't competing this year. We'd absolutely deal Moser if someone offered us an overpayment when we aren't priming for the postseason.

The thing that you have to understand here is that re-signing Tuch should be Buffalo's top priority when it comes to the player. Unless he demands a trade, trading him would be counterproductive given the current state of the team for several reasons.

1st - Buffalo needs more vets, and has no room for more prospects.
2nd - Buffalo needs more size, not less. Tuch is one of the few big bodied forwards in their top six and would be extremely difficult for a team like Buffalo to replace via trade and almost impossible to do via free agency.
3rd - Buffalo is not a sought out destination for players. By all accounts, Tuch wants to be in Buffalo. Trading out a guy that wants to be there and bringing in a player from a contender who doesn't want to be there would further undermine dressing room morale.

Buffalo is a small market team and along with a couple of other teams in the league, they are in a unique situation and at a disadvantage. Rules and seemingly obvious strategies that apply to 85 percent of NHL teams do not necessarily apply to the few teams in this situation, and they have to build their teams a bit differently. What seems like common sense GMing to most around the league may not make so much sense when you dig a little deeper and understand the nuances going on behind the scenes.

 

[Rschmitz]

Swap out "priming for the postseason" with "trying to correctly and effectively develop our existing oversized pool of youth" and you've just stated the Buffalo position on Tuch. The only substantial difference is that you seem to have decided that Buffalo's development needs are secondary and inferior to your playoff improvement wants.

In this entire thread I never once suggested the Lightning should trade for Tuch, I think Buffalo would be wise to trade him, but I've never said that they have to. You're having a stroke at your keyboard about an opinion of mine that doesn't exist.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Of the last 10 Hobey Baker winners only Johnny Gaudreau won after 20 and became a star.

The other players in that age bracket: Vesey, Butcher, Gaudette, Perunovich, McKay.

 

[Rschmitz]

The thing that you have to understand here is that re-signing Tuch should be Buffalo's top priority when it comes to the player. Unless he demands a trade, trading him would be counterproductive given the current state of the team for several reasons.

1st - Buffalo needs more vets, and has no room for more prospects.
2nd - Buffalo needs more size, not less. Tuch is one of the few big bodied forwards in their top six and would be extremely difficult for a team like Buffalo to replace via trade and almost impossible to do via free agency.
3rd - Buffalo is not a sought out destination for players. By all accounts, Tuch wants to be in Buffalo. Trading out a guy that wants to be there and bringing in a player from a contender who doesn't want to be there would further undermine dressing room morale.

Buffalo is a small market team and along with a couple of other teams in the league, they are in a unique situation and at a disadvantage. Rules and seemingly obvious strategies that apply to 85 percent of NHL teams do not necessarily apply to the few teams in this situation, and they have to build their teams a bit differently. What seems like common sense GMing to most around the league may not make so much sense when you dig a little deeper and understand the nuances going on behind the scenes.

I get it, it's understandable that Buffalo doesn't want to trade Tuch. I do take issue that certain people become enraged over talk about it potentially happening though. Players that don't seem like they will be dealt, get dealt all of the time.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

In this entire thread I never once suggested the Lightning should trade for Tuch, you're having a stroke at your keyboard about an opinion of mine that doesn't exist.

 

[SundherDome]

I don't get the constant, trade him at peak value even if you don't want to move him. Trading him for futures hurts us now and in the future. It also severely limits the amount of suitors. Even an overpay should be passed on unless we are getting back a legit veteran 2c with term AND a legit veteran, top 4, right handed defensive dman. If that isn't the offer then I move along. Not many teams have that available now. Until that is available, Adams needs to stand pat on Tuch.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

I don't get the constant, trade him at peak value even if you don't want to move him. Trading him for futures hurts us now and in the future. It also severely limits the amount of suitors. Even an overpay should be passed on unless we are getting back a legit veteran 2c with term AND a legit veteran, top 4, right handed defensive dman. If that isn't the offer then I move along. Not many teams have that available now. Until that is available, Adams needs to stand pat on Tuch.

Huh?

 

[SundherDome]

Huh?

It's hurts us now because if he is moved, it will be even harder to convince people to come here in the off-season.

It hurts us in the future because he needs to be replaced next year and for a team trying to sniff the playoffs creating a meteor sized crater on the roster that needs to be filled in the off-season is a terrible move.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

It's hurts us now because if he is moved, it will be even harder to convince people to come here in the off-season.

It hurts us in the future because he needs to be replaced next year and for a team trying to sniff the playoffs creating a meteor sized crater on the roster that needs to be filled in the off-season is a terrible move.

What?