Value of: Calvin De Haan To CGY

[Ainsy01]

What would it take to get De Haan. Excellent skater and first pass LHD, can help the powerplay, had good numbers in junior. Rumors that snow has made him somewhat available. What would islands fans want for him ?

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[Cassano]

Isles need RWers and the Flames don't have that

 

[kasper11]

I don't see any way they trade him until Hamonic comes back, and even then I doubt it. They may lose him in the expansion draft, but it will likely be him or Pulock. Either way, they need to keep both to compensate.

 

[seabass45]

Ideally, Gaudreau (or another scoring winger) so no, probably not happening.

 

[Ainsy01]

Ideally, Gaudreau (or another scoring winger) so no, probably not happening.

what the **** ?

 

[seafoam]

Frolik maybe?

Cap wouldn't work though.

 

[Ainsy01]

what about a package similar to the one that got CGY D.Hamilton.

Wont the isles lose him to vegas if they dont trade him ?

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

what about a package similar to the one that got CGY D.Hamilton.

Wont the isles lose him to vegas if they dont trade him ?

They'll lose one of deHaan, Nelson, Lee, or Strome, yes.

I don't want to trade deHaan for picks. Ideally he's protected or traded for a forward.

 

[CodeE]

what about a package similar to the one that got CGY D.Hamilton.

Wont the isles lose him to vegas if they dont trade him ?

We'll probably do the "protect 8 skaters" thing. There really aren't that many forwards on the Isles we NEED to protect, so if we lose Strome or Lee to Vegas at least we still have our defensive depth.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

We don't need de Haan though

 

[JesterOnly]

what the **** ?

Right? De Haan's value is nowhere near Johnny Hockey's

 

[LordNeverLose]

Right? De Haan's value is nowhere near Johnny Hockey's

He's just saying we need a scoring winger back though, and Gaudreau is the only one who really fits the bill, so there's clearly no fit.

 

[IODCPiper]

Right? De Haan's value is nowhere near Johnny Hockey's

He was saying they need a rw1 and johnny G fits the bill not that is an even trade imo

 

[Pongs21]

I don't really know the value of De Haan so I mean no disrespect.. Would something around Stafford (50% retained) + pick + prospect be something of interest? I don't know your needs other than someone stating RW.

 

[Ainsy01]

He was saying they need a rw1 and johnny G fits the bill not that is an even trade imo

Yeah he fits the bill for a rw1 perfectly except that he shoots left and is a LW.

 

[oilerbear]

Right? De Haan's value is nowhere near Johnny Hockey's

High danger area shots:
shots that go in above league average 8.5%
low danger area shots:
shots that go in below league avege 8.5%

the avg HD shot is 5 times more successful than the avg low danger shot.

Conf final teams almost allways have.

1. HD sytem coach:
Babcock: his disciples; Tmac......
Hitchcock; his disciples tippet; Gulutzan

2. A top 10 HD save% goalie
looking at last 3 seasons
1. Price
2. Talbot
2. Griess he stole you the series against FLD.
4. Holtby
5. Halak
6. Jones
7. Elliott
7. Allen
9. Crawford
10. Lundquist
10. Schnieder
12. Bernier this poor guy faced such a high volume of HD shots he did not stand a chance.

3. 3+ top 60 HD sh/60 Dmen
NYI
Dehaan top 60
----------------
Boychuk top 80
Leddy bottom 80
Hamonic bottom 30

CGY
Brodie top 20 away from Gio; bottom 20 W/ gio
Nakaldal top 40 Were did he go?
Jokipaka top 80
------------------
Engelland bottom 40

Giordano bottom 10
hilller was top 10 HD save% goalie in Anaheim; and he carried CGY to playoffs. last year Gio was a personal runway to flames net yielding 20-30% success shots to his side. Destroyed a good goalies career.

Hamilton bottom 5

Russell is a shot suppressor. blockig shots and forcing HD area attack to partners side.
As a result
if he is playing with a top 20 HD Dman he gets top 20 results.
bottom 20 Dman bottom 20 results.

The shot suppressing Dman is a new kind of Dman to identify.
ones you chase cause top 60 HD D are hard to get.

Edmonton:
larsson top 5-10 HD D not on team last year.
Davidson top 30 HD D. injured for 30gm last year
we could sure use him
Klefbom top 60 HD D injured 52 games last year.

Sekera
bottom 40 versus 1st comp has never handle this level.
top 20 HD D vs 2nd comp or lower.

Our D this year:
klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell

So dehaan that top 60 HD D is a player Las vegas would love on their team.

In the past I have stated he was one of the Dmen I would give up RNH for.
Brodin
Lindholm
Alzner
DeHaan

4. Elite Even production forward Depth. 2 top 90 offensive pairs or 3 pairs of top 150 depth.
You want forward who can consistently generate on road and home prefer they are able to handle the toughest comp Possible.

Gaudreau
14-15: 21yr
HM: 3rd comp .512 EVPPG
RD: 2nd comp .564 EVPPG
15-16 22yr
HM: 3rd comp 1.175 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .256 EVPPG
16-17 23yr
HM: 3rd comp .833 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .250 EVPPG

RNH:
13-14 20yr
HM: 1st comp .400 EVPPG
Rd: 1st comp .500 EVPPG
14-15 21yr
HM: 1st comp .526 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .579 EVPPG
He and toews were the only 2 top 3 in PvP center EVG; EVP.
15-16 22yr
HM: 1st comp .400 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .44 EVPPG
16-17 23yr
HM: 1st comp .500 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .286 EVPPG

When discussing Dmen.
offensive Dmen have to abandon the defence of the path to there own High Danger area. They often end up being in the bottom of HD defending.

what is worse is when you look at the top 300 EV goal scorers (team top 10 scorers) 94% of the goals come from forwards.

Who do you want to have the puck when attacking down low (HD area)!
Get the Forward the puck ASAP!

you want D that pass the puck well and read quickly.
Who do not chase goals by abandoning there primary role.
Defend the HD area!


DeHaan
1st comp
top 60 HD Sh/60 D
#16 SA/60 D
#28 Prim EVAssist/60 Dman .36

Larsson
1st comp
top 5-10 HD SH/60
top 50 Primary EV asit/60 Dman
#12 SA/60 D
top15 PKGA D
Larsson the best GA D last 3 years cost taylor Hall.

One of the 10 best young 1st comp HD D is going to cost you a top 60 forward!
there with
Brodie
Brodin
Lindholm
Alzner .....

You need to understand who you are discussing!
And
what is needed to get them.

the oilers will have:

Klefbom - Larsson for the next 5 years At 8.334 per year.
Davidson - Sekera for the next 5 years

Talbot #2 HD save% goalie for the next 3 years.(4.167M)

 

[Deen]

High danger area shots:
shots that go in above league average 8.5%
low danger area shots:
shots that go in below league avege 8.5%

the avg HD shot is 5 times more successful than the avg low danger shot.

Conf final teams almost allways have.

1. HD sytem coach:
Babcock: his disciples; Tmac......
Hitchcock; his disciples tippet; Gulutzan

2. A top 10 HD save% goalie
looking at last 3 seasons
1. Price
2. Talbot
2. Griess he stole you the series against FLD.
4. Holtby
5. Halak
6. Jones
7. Elliott
7. Allen
9. Crawford
10. Lundquist
10. Schnieder
12. Bernier this poor guy faced such a high volume of HD shots he did not stand a chance.

3. 3+ top 60 HD sh/60 Dmen
NYI
Dehaan top 60
----------------
Boychuk top 80
Leddy bottom 80
Hamonic bottom 30

CGY
Brodie top 20 away from Gio; bottom 20 W/ gio
Nakaldal top 40 Were did he go?
Jokipaka top 80
------------------
Engelland bottom 40

Giordano bottom 10
hilller was top 10 HD save% goalie in Anaheim; and he carried CGY to playoffs. last year Gio was a personal runway to flames net yielding 20-30% success shots to his side. Destroyed a good goalies career.

Hamilton bottom 5

Russell is a shot suppressor. blockig shots and forcing HD area attack to partners side.
As a result
if he is playing with a top 20 HD Dman he gets top 20 results.
bottom 20 Dman bottom 20 results.

The shot suppressing Dman is a new kind of Dman to identify.
ones you chase cause top 60 HD D are hard to get.

Edmonton:
larsson top 5-10 HD D not on team last year.
Davidson top 30 HD D.
we could sure use him
Klefbom top 60 HD D injured 52 games last year.

Sekera
bottom 40 versus 1st comp has never handle this level.
top 20 HD D vs 2nd comp or lower.

Our D this year:
klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell

So dehaan that top 60 HD D is a player Las vegas would love on their team.

In the past I have stated he was one of the Dmen I would give up RNH for.
Brodin
Lindholm
Alzner
DeHaan

4. Elite Even production forward Depth. 2 top 90 offensive pairs or 3 pairs of top 150 depth.
You want forward who can consistently generate on road and home prefer they are able to handle the toughest comp Possible.

Gaudreau
14-15: 21yr
HM: 3rd comp .512 EVPPG
RD: 2nd comp .564 EVPPG
15-16 22yr
HM: 3rd comp 1.175 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .256 EVPPG
16-17 23yr
HM: 3rd comp .833 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .250 EVPPG

RNH:
13-14 20yr
HM: 1st comp .400 EVPPG
Rd: 1st comp .500 EVPPG
14-15 21yr
HM: 1st comp .526 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .579 EVPPG
He and toews were the only 2 top 3 in PvP center EVg; EVP.
15-16 22yr
HM: 1st comp .400 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .44 EVPPG
16-17 23yr
HM: 1st comp .500 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .286 EVPPG

When discussing Dmen.
offensive Dmen have to abandon the defence of the pathto there own High Danger area. They often end up being in the bottom of HD defending.

what is worse is whren you look at the top 300 EV goal scorers (team top 10 scorers) 945 of the goals come from forwards.

Who do you want to have the puck when attacking down low (HD area)!
Get the Forward the puck ASAP!

you want D that pass the puck well and read quickly.
Who do not chase goals by abandoning there primary role.
Defend the HD area!


DeHaan
1st comp
top 60 HD Sh/60 D
#16 SA/60 D
#28 Prim EVAssist/60 Dman .36

Larsson
1st comp
top 5-10 HD SH/60
top 50 Primary EV asit/60 Dman
#12 SA/60 D
top15 PKGA D
Larsson the best GA D last 3 years cost taylor Hall.


Dehaan one of the 10 best young D.
there with
Brodie
Brodin
Lindholm
Alzner .....

You need to understand who you are discussing!
And
what is needed to get them.

the oilers will have:

Klefbom - Larsson for the next 5 years At 8.334 per year.
Davidson - Sekera for the next 5 years


Talbot #2 HD save5 goalie for the next 3 years.

What is your point here ?

 

[oilerbear]

What is your point here ?

CHeck the edit.

you are not winning a cup without 3+ top 60 HD d.
it is better to have them in your top 4.

Larsson was the best available Dmen at suppressing shots in danger area and PK.

Dehaan is showing a level similar to young elite.
with superior transition numbers.

He is going to cost you a top 60 Forward.

the only time you see Off dmen with Reasonable HD and EVGA numbers are when they face bottom 2nd comp or lower.

Gaudreau looked great for 1 season facing 3rd comp at home.

.25 EVPPG on the road is not going to help you get a cup.

As you move up the playoff ladder you start to face more 1st comp and upper 2nd forward depth.

Something he has not shown he can handle period!

 

[WTFMAN99]

He's just saying we need a scoring winger back though, and Gaudreau is the only one who really fits the bill, so there's clearly no fit.

He's a LW so NYI probably don't want him

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

High danger area shots:
shots that go in above league average 8.5%
low danger area shots:
shots that go in below league avege 8.5%

the avg HD shot is 5 times more successful than the avg low danger shot.

Conf final teams almost allways have.

1. HD sytem coach:
Babcock: his disciples; Tmac......
Hitchcock; his disciples tippet; Gulutzan

2. A top 10 HD save% goalie
looking at last 3 seasons
1. Price
2. Talbot
2. Griess he stole you the series against FLD.
4. Holtby
5. Halak
6. Jones
7. Elliott
7. Allen
9. Crawford
10. Lundquist
10. Schnieder
12. Bernier this poor guy faced such a high volume of HD shots he did not stand a chance.

3. 3+ top 60 HD sh/60 Dmen
NYI
Dehaan top 60
----------------
Boychuk top 80
Leddy bottom 80
Hamonic bottom 30

CGY
Brodie top 20 away from Gio; bottom 20 W/ gio
Nakaldal top 40 Were did he go?
Jokipaka top 80
------------------
Engelland bottom 40

Giordano bottom 10
hilller was top 10 HD save% goalie in Anaheim; and he carried CGY to playoffs. last year Gio was a personal runway to flames net yielding 20-30% success shots to his side. Destroyed a good goalies career.

Hamilton bottom 5

Russell is a shot suppressor. blockig shots and forcing HD area attack to partners side.
As a result
if he is playing with a top 20 HD Dman he gets top 20 results.
bottom 20 Dman bottom 20 results.

The shot suppressing Dman is a new kind of Dman to identify.
ones you chase cause top 60 HD D are hard to get.

Edmonton:
larsson top 5-10 HD D not on team last year.
Davidson top 30 HD D. injured for 30gm last year
we could sure use him
Klefbom top 60 HD D injured 52 games last year.

Sekera
bottom 40 versus 1st comp has never handle this level.
top 20 HD D vs 2nd comp or lower.

Our D this year:
klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell

So dehaan that top 60 HD D is a player Las vegas would love on their team.

In the past I have stated he was one of the Dmen I would give up RNH for.
Brodin
Lindholm
Alzner
DeHaan

4. Elite Even production forward Depth. 2 top 90 offensive pairs or 3 pairs of top 150 depth.
You want forward who can consistently generate on road and home prefer they are able to handle the toughest comp Possible.

Gaudreau
14-15: 21yr
HM: 3rd comp .512 EVPPG
RD: 2nd comp .564 EVPPG
15-16 22yr
HM: 3rd comp 1.175 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .256 EVPPG
16-17 23yr
HM: 3rd comp .833 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .250 EVPPG

RNH:
13-14 20yr
HM: 1st comp .400 EVPPG
Rd: 1st comp .500 EVPPG
14-15 21yr
HM: 1st comp .526 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .579 EVPPG
He and toews were the only 2 top 3 in PvP center EVG; EVP.
15-16 22yr
HM: 1st comp .400 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .44 EVPPG
16-17 23yr
HM: 1st comp .500 EVPPG
RD: 1st comp .286 EVPPG

When discussing Dmen.
offensive Dmen have to abandon the defence of the path to there own High Danger area. They often end up being in the bottom of HD defending.

what is worse is when you look at the top 300 EV goal scorers (team top 10 scorers) 94% of the goals come from forwards.

Who do you want to have the puck when attacking down low (HD area)!
Get the Forward the puck ASAP!

you want D that pass the puck well and read quickly.
Who do not chase goals by abandoning there primary role.
Defend the HD area!


DeHaan
1st comp
top 60 HD Sh/60 D
#16 SA/60 D
#28 Prim EVAssist/60 Dman .36

Larsson
1st comp
top 5-10 HD SH/60
top 50 Primary EV asit/60 Dman
#12 SA/60 D
top15 PKGA D
Larsson the best GA D last 3 years cost taylor Hall.

One of the 10 best young 1st comp HD D is going to cost you a top 60 forward!
there with
Brodie
Brodin
Lindholm
Alzner .....

You need to understand who you are discussing!
And
what is needed to get them.

the oilers will have:

Klefbom - Larsson for the next 5 years At 8.334 per year.
Davidson - Sekera for the next 5 years

Talbot #2 HD save% goalie for the next 3 years.(4.167M)

Oilerz rool!

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Oh yes, de haan is definitely worth a first line player. If he was, yknow, a top pairing defender. But he's not. A 3 might be a stretch, but he's 4 on his team either way, would be 4 on Calgary, and we aren't going to trade for him just to protect him anyway.

Fancy stats be damned, people live by those things any time they have an agenda; see random oiler fan coming here to put down the flames

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

CHeck the edit.

you are not winning a cup without 3+ top 60 HD d.
it is better to have them in your top 4.

Larsson was the best available Dmen at suppressing shots in danger area and PK.

Dehaan is showing a level similar to young elite.
with superior transition numbers.

He is going to cost you a top 60 Forward.

the only time you see Off dmen with Reasonable HD and EVGA numbers are when they face bottom 2nd comp or lower.

Gaudreau looked great for 1 season facing 3rd comp at home.

.25 EVPPG on the road is not going to help you get a cup.

As you move up the playoff ladder you start to face more 1st comp and upper 2nd forward depth.

Something he has not shown he can handle period!

I'm sorry, but where in the world do you get your data? There isn't any website remotely close to fetching the data you provided.

 

[Remember2004]

What would it take to get De Haan. Excellent skater and first pass LHD, can help the powerplay, had good numbers in junior. Rumors that snow has made him somewhat available. What would islands fans want for him ?

I don't think anything can help us at this point...

 

[Remember2004]

He's a LW so NYI probably don't want him

Not how he has been this year... I don't even want him LOL but I know he will bounce back for sure... Most likely... maybe....

 

[CodeE]

To be fair, people asking for Gaudreau in exchange for CDH are like the people in every Islanders trade proposal who go "it would honestly take Tavares for you to get [our above-average player]".