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Calling a time out before challenging a goal
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Why would this be against the spirit of a coaches challenge? Because it's a smart thing to do?
How is it against the spirit? Seems like it's just smart. It's a no lose. You can either be more certain you're successful, or just use it kill momentum, or settle your players.
Mark Stones Spleen
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I'd love to hear why you say that. It's an interesting statement and maybe it's just me, but I don't get it.
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Because it buys a coach more time to review and challenge. While the league doesn't have a time limit written into a challenge, it does delay the challenging before the puck drop. I might just have an idiosyncratic view of the spirit of the challenge. Here, I'm not trying to single out Torts as much as ask whether this becomes a more common thing.
It probably should be more common. The team is using their time out. It's not like they get a free extended review of the play before making up their minds
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Holy shit we got purists for something invented 5 years ago.
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It's not about purity. Just wondering whether this becomes a common occurrence.
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Tawnos
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I don't have a problem with it from a fairness point of view or the "spirit of the challenge" whatever that means. But I still think it should be prohibited for game flow reasons.
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There's been instances where a goal has been missed and the league would stop play to inform the Refs of the goal. So maybe this is a great ploy to give the league time to look at a play before a proper restart and determine if a goal has been missed or not without using the coaches challenge. If no such call is made then they have given themselves enough time to for a couple of things, look at the play and ask for a Coaches Challenge, rest their players for a PK if the Challenge is lost. Love it.
A legitimate and at times smart use of the timeout. I can't see why someone wouldn't utilize it.
(shrug) He can use his timeout whenever he wants. This seems like a good use of it if they need an extra bit of time before challenging the goal.
If it somehow becomes an issue, then the to challenge or not must be decided before calling the time out
If it somehow becomes an issue, then the to challenge or not must be decided before calling the time out
Coaches already delay far too long after a goal is scored while the video team reviews. Should be a very short window to challenge these goals.
HockeyVirus
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Keefe did that a few times last year to make sure they were challenging smartly. I also feel it gives the refs and NHL the impression it is really bad to help nudge it your way
Hennessy
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It's not as if it's some clever cheat. The coach burns his timeout. There's a cost analysis to it. If he feels it's worth the risk, why not?
And besides, regardless of what he decides, his team just got scored on. Not the worst time to settle things down.
And besides, regardless of what he decides, his team just got scored on. Not the worst time to settle things down.
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Wouldn't it be the other way around?
I mean... If you need 2 minutes instead of 5 seconds to decide whether to challenge or not, it means it's probably not a slam dunk.
(But on the practice itself : yeah, it makes total sense to do this in certain cases)
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What? You can use your one time out whenever you want (aside from after an icing), how the hell is that against the spirit of the rule
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HockeyVirus
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Nah. I think the mandate is they get it right not how obvious it is. Offside calls they can wait 15 seconds to get a better angle. GI calls they can view it a few more times and get the GMs thoughts and goalie coach thoughts and shit.
I think Keefe won every challenge he stalled with a timeout, which matches Torts per the OP. Might be something to it.
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I know you can use your time out, obviously, it's just that most coaches don't. They use the time allotted before the next puck drop to challenge the call or not. This is what I meant by "spirit" as opposed to any written rule. I really don't have a problem with Torts hereWhat? You can use your one time out whenever you want (aside from after an icing), how the hell is that against the spirit of the rule
You seemed to miss the question I ended with, which, as I've said above, gets to the point I was raising. Will this becomes a standard practice (call a timeout before challenging or not challenging)? If so, is that better for the game?
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I always wondered why coaches didn't do it more.
Seems like an obvious thing to do, especially since coaches hardly ever use their timeouts in the season.
Another Torts masterpiece.
Seems like an obvious thing to do, especially since coaches hardly ever use their timeouts in the season.
Another Torts masterpiece.
