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Bud Light is the worstThen why did the NHL stop awarding the Bud Light Plus and Minus award? Because they realized the stat was meaningless based on the winners...
Bud Light is the worstThen why did the NHL stop awarding the Bud Light Plus and Minus award? Because they realized the stat was meaningless based on the winners...
Well it's perfectly convenient that the worst beer on the market went with the worst stat in hockey don't you thinkBud Light is the worst
Reminds me of myself in college. Coincidently, I'm not allowed in certain public places anymore !Fleury sometimes gets into uncomfortable situations. Without thinking about that or any extra action done could be costly. Perfectionistly perfectionist. Throwing himself soul and body in the heat of the moment.
Some of his decision-making must be reviewed thought.
Meh, it's arguably the most useless main stream stat there is. There's so many elements that need to be taken into consideration compared to other stats and in the end, it's still not an accurate representation of the situation.
+/- means nothing, zero, zilch etc.
Agreed, but more often than not the player is not not responsible for the + or - and the aggregate is completely useless. A player can play exactly the same and be a +20 one season and a -20 another season. It is a dumb Stat when applies to a single player. It is a much more useful Stat when applied to a 5 man unit specifically against another 5 man unit. Even the you have to factor in zone starts and poor/excellent goaltending. After all of that you have to go back and watch every goal. At best, just like Corsi, it is only a flag for expert eyes to investigate. Fans who arrive at definitive conclusions from these stats are fools.it has it merits if used in the right context since it's often more of a team stat but if you see them play and can confirm if the minus was deserved or not. For instance if someone saw that Brook was a -1 last night but didn't see the game, they might think he made a bad play in his own end but in fact it was more Alzner's fault cause he didn't trust Brook could get back quick enough but he did, Alzner treated it like a 2 on 1 and yet didn't stop the pass.
Had Fleury played on a good team during his draft year he would have been drafted much higher.
Had Fleury played on a good team during his draft year he would have been drafted much higher.
I’m thinking Eric Desjardins, which is a good thing!He's having a hell of a rookie pro season honestly, really proud of him and pumped FOR him, hope he pans out in some sort of way
Even a "weber-lite" would be a huge addition to the team
Agreed, but more often than not the player is not not responsible for the + or - and the aggregate is completely useless. A player can play exactly the same and be a +20 one season and a -20 another season. It is a dumb Stat when applies to a single player. It is a much more useful Stat when applied to a 5 man unit specifically against another 5 man unit. Even the you have to factor in zone starts and poor/excellent goaltending. After all of that you have to go back and watch every goal. At best, just like Corsi, it is only a flag for expert eyes to investigate. Fans who arrive at definitive conclusions from these stats are fools.
In context it can have it's uses. For example if you look at Laval, if they have a 2-1 lead late in the game who do you want on the ice? Alzner, Lernout, Sklenicka, who all happen to be top plus players on the team along with Vejdemo. Who's at the bottom, Fleury, Ouellet on defense along with Grenier. (not counting guys with say under 30 games).
I like Ouellet in Laval for his offense but man is his bad in his own end, while Alzner has been very steady in his own end, Lernout has shown good improvement there and Sklenicka plays a solid game imo. I was disappointed when they broke up the Alzner Fleury pairing and put Fleury with Ouellet as I thought that was not good for him as Alzner would be better to learn from.
But at the same time I'm sure there are lots of examples of where that doesn't work, where the leaders in either plus or minus ends up being the best or worst defensively as there's so much that goes into how they get there of course.
The stat itself is useless but at times it does coincidentally align with fact. The broken clock analogy fits here. It only takes one player to ruin a line's +/-. A defensive unit is only as strong as it's weakest link and most players +/- is at the mercy of the worst skater and/or goaltender on the ice at any given moment. The stat is the most volatile of any traditional stat as wild variations occur in many players who otherwise put up similar stats on a yearly basis. This is because they have very limited control over the outcome.
The stat itself is useless but at times it does coincidentally align with fact. The broken clock analogy fits here. It only takes one player to ruin a line's +/-. A defensive unit is only as strong as it's weakest link and most players +/- is at the mercy of the worst skater and/or goaltender on the ice at any given moment. The stat is the most volatile of any traditional stat as wild variations occur in many players who otherwise put up similar stats on a yearly basis. This is because they have very limited control over the outcome.
but it does have some merit as it's not like that one player is going to be consistently on the ice making mistakes that cost goals for 4 other players throughout the season. When I watch Laval, it's clear what defensmen are solid in their own end and which aren't and their plus minus is very reflective of that. That said it has to be a case by case basis where you have seen most of the games to know that it fits. I'm sure there are tons of examples where it doesn't fit for various reasons.
I just think some that stat watch either rely on it too much or dismiss it too quickly as I think if used correctly it can be helpful.
If you're talking to this short-term, I'm not projecting anything. In the long-term, when he get ready he'll dictate himself where he should be. Like in which line of D he'd be.How does Fleury project into our lineup with Weber, Petry, and Brook all at RD?
How does Fleury project into our lineup with Weber, Petry, and Brook all at RD?
I think for the first time in a while, we have the luxury to develop our young defensemen in the AHL without them to be rushed... Im expecting both Fleury and Brook to play for the Rockets next year since they are in good hands under Bouchard...With Brook, Juulsen and Fleury we certainly have good competition at the RD spot. We'll have to wait and see how all 3 look next year at the NHL/AHL level depending on where each plays. Then you have to wait and see on trades not just next year but down the road since you also have the expansion draft but that's 2 years away so too early to say how that will play out as well.
I think for the first time in a while, we have the luxury to develop our young defensemen in the AHL without them to be rushed... Im expecting both Fleury and Brook to play for the Rockets next year since they are in good hands under Bouchard...