Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

I've already stated I think he's deserving of the Calder, but the thing that pushed him over the edge was the team around him. Hutson on the Sharks, we can all agree, would have had the same impact Celebrini had in terms of placement in the standings, no?

...and again, you all wanna fight over SPECULATION, go for it until this thing gets locked...what you are doing is the same thing you're screaming at those few Habs fans for doing; crapping on what their player did to pump your team's player up...it's a damn shame, too, cuz both Hutson & Celebrini had phenomenal seasons...
 
So? It makes it seem like they were horror bad last season when they were closer to a playoff WC spot than to the bottom 2 and it wasn’t even remotely close.
Bottom 5 is bottom 5. I am not trying to sugar coat it. That's what the analysts predicted. Why do you have a problem with it? They were never supposed to make the playoffs this year.

But Lane Hutson was a big part of changing the script.
 
Bottom 5 is bottom 5. I am not trying to sugar coat it. That's what the analysts predicted. Why do you have a problem with it? They were never supposed to make the playoffs this year.

But Lane Hutson was a big part of changing the script.
You’re intellectually dishonest. Acting as if the Habs were horror bad last season by hiding behind “bottom 5” label. Yeah, they were so bad they were twice as close points wise to a WC spot than to the bottom of the standings.
 
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This is my bad. I realized I don't actually have anything to back up my insane arguments so I'll just blame and misspell the name of the fanbase pointing that out. Sorry guys.
Not really. You can look back on pages and see people claiming the Habs squad was expected to be as bad as the Sharks. We're literally all creating arguments based on opinions. Claiming Suzuki and Caufield had the seasons they did was because of Hutson even though both players had basically increased their point and goal totals respectfully every year since they came into the league is opinion. Fact is Hutson set the rookie assist record. No denying that nor denying he had a fantastic season worthy of the Calder. Making claims that the Habs would have been a horrendous team without Hutson is opinion. Both Celebrini and Hutson were instrumental in improving their teams, the difference is Montreal was closer to relevancy which meant the impact looked more much profound on paper.

This truly does bring back memories from when I was living in Montreal though. Thanks for the reminder.
 
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You’re intellectually dishonest. Acting as if the Habs were horror bad last season by hiding behind “bottom 5” label. Yeah, they were so bad they were twice as close points wise to a WC spot than to the bottom of the standings.
A bottom 5 team in the league is very bad. Awful. You are being unnecessarily obtuse by stating that the Habs playoff achievement was meh. Its insulting and smacks of jealousy..
 
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...and again, you all wanna fight over SPECULATION, go for it until this thing gets locked...what you are doing is the same thing you're screaming at those few Habs fans for doing; crapping on what their player did to pump your team's player up...it's a damn shame, too, cuz both Hutson & Celebrini had phenomenal seasons...
At no point did I crap on Hutson. Find me one post, one single post where I did. I beg you to put in the effort.
 
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Not really. You can look back on pages and see people claiming the Habs squad was expected to be as bad as the Sharks. We're literally all creating arguments based on opinions. Claiming Suzuki and Caufield had the seasons they did was because of Hutson even though both players had basically increased their point and goal totals respectfully every year since they came into the league is opinion. Fact is Hutson set the rookie assist record. No denying that nor denying he had a fantastic season worthy of the Calder. Making claims that the Habs would have been a horrendous team without Hutson is opinion. Both Celebrini and Hutson were instrumental in improving their teams, the difference is Montreal was closer to relevancy which meant the impact looked more much profound on paper.

This truly does bring back memories from when I was living in Montreal though. Thanks for the reminder.
Without Hutson, the Habs don't make the playoffs.
 
A bottom 5 team in the league is very bad. Awful. You are being unnecessarily obtuse by stating that the Habs playoff achievement was meh. Its insulting and smacks of jealousy..
No, I’m giving it context. The Habs were closer to a WC spot last season than to the bottom of the standings. No sugar coating that. No denying that. But bottom 5 right?
 
Not really. You can look back on pages and see people claiming the Habs squad was expected to be as bad as the Sharks. We're literally all creating arguments based on opinions. Claiming Suzuki and Caufield had the seasons they did was because of Hutson even though both players had basically increased their point and goal totals respectfully every year since they came into the league is opinion. Fact is Hutson set the rookie assist record. No denying that nor denying he had a fantastic season worthy of the Calder. Making claims that the Habs would have been a horrendous team without Hutson is opinion. Both Celebrini and Hutson were instrumental in improving their teams, the difference is Montreal was closer to relevancy which meant the impact looked more much profound on paper.

This truly does bring back memories from when I was living in Montreal though. Thanks for the reminder.
Why are you so bitter? Lane Hutson deserves the Calder. That's not even debatable anymore.
 
Good luck next year. Hopefully Celebrini can drive you to a 2nd worst place finish.

Isn’t that close to where Montreal finished for the past 3 seasons?

Except they have nothing to show for it since they fumbled back to back lottery picks by drafting slaf instead of Cooley and reinbacher instead of michkov
 
Such a brutal cop out.

You replied to someone saying the Habs aren't a Generational superteam and pretended they were trashing their team.

Are you representative of Sharks fans?
Which post exactly was that? I don't care who trashes the Sharks because they're godawful.
 
You’re intellectually dishonest. Acting as if the Habs were horror bad last season by hiding behind “bottom 5” label. Yeah, they were so bad they were twice as close points wise to a WC spot than to the bottom of the standings.
So because there were worse teams they weren’t bad? Makes sense
 
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Maybe just maybe 7.5 wins to sneak into the playoff isn’t some crazy out of the world endeavor if your team has a solid improvement as a whole and it’s not some Hutson carry job?
I mean the improvement from having Hutson on the team vs not having him on the team is pretty evident. At 5 on 5, Montreal had a 50.8% xGF% and a 54.4% GF% with Hutson on the ice this year. Without him that drops to the mid 40s. Last year it was 47.5% xGF% overall for the Habs at 5 on 5, and 49.4 GF%.

Sure, Suzuki stepping up helped as well, but Hutson is a massive reason why Montreal was able to take that step forward.
 
Which post exactly was that?

You replied to this post
This all of course has zero bearing on hutsons ability to play on a team that is less than the generational superpower team that this years habs are.

With this post
Again, watching Habs fans trash their entire team so they can make Hutson out to be the greatest thing for hockey since Ice was invented is, well, pretty on brand.

Since this was literally like an hour ago you may want to get your memory checked
 
Bottom 5 is what analysts predicted. It’s a fact.
So? They didn’t add context to their bottom 5 descriptor. I’m adding it and you don’t seem to like the fact they were closer to a WC spot team last season than to the bottom of the standings. It weakens your "bottom 5" argument. So I get it.
So because there were worse teams they weren’t bad? Makes sense
The league has parity. Because of that, unless you’re truly bottom of the barrel like the Hawks/Sharks as of recent, you’re closer to a WC team than the bottom of the league. Makes sense to me.
 
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Not really. You can look back on pages and see people claiming the Habs squad was expected to be as bad as the Sharks. We're literally all creating arguments based on opinions. Claiming Suzuki and Caufield had the seasons they did was because of Hutson even though both players had basically increased their point and goal totals respectfully every year since they came into the league is opinion. Fact is Hutson set the rookie assist record. No denying that nor denying he had a fantastic season worthy of the Calder. Making claims that the Habs would have been a horrendous team without Hutson is opinion. Both Celebrini and Hutson were instrumental in improving their teams, the difference is Montreal was closer to relevancy which meant the impact looked more much profound on paper.

This truly does bring back memories from when I was living in Montreal though. Thanks for the reminder.
Again, Celebrini is obviously a great player and the team is much better with him on the ice. That's why we see their xGF numbers go up when he's on the ice at 5 on 5.

Same can be said for Hutson. Montreal without him is likely still a bottom 10 team, but he and Suzuki are the biggest reasons why Montreal was able to squeak into the playoffs.
 
...you are denegrating what Hutson did to help significantly improve the team with speculation, the same thing you're accusing Habs fans of...if you can't see that, then that's on you...
Me a thousand times. "Hutson has a fantastic season, worthy of the Calder and setting records along the way and was instrumental in what Montreal accomplished."

Literally the thing y'all are hung up on is me claiming Hutson had a better team around him.

I can go back and find posts. Would you like me to do that?
 
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