Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

The whole notion that Celebrini did more with less is false. Hutson was the better, more impactful player, on a starting team that equally bad. Lane Hutson is the reason the Habs moved from 15th in the east to 8th. Mike Grier is the reason the Sharks finished so low. If you swap Hutson and Celebrini the Habs don't make the playoffs. He simply had the better rookie season.
This statement is completely false. The Canadians have 14 players with 20 points or more. Sharks have/had 8 players(including Granlund/Walman). The Canadians have 12 players with 10 goals or more. The Sharks have 6. Don’t even have to mention the goalies. The Sharks only had one top 4 quality Dman all season in Walman. None, after the trade deadline. It’s pretty difficult to get the puck back when the D-core is full of AHL/bottom pairing Dman. Celebrini played 15-20 games with Goodrow who put up an astonishing 2 points in those games and still maintained a .90 PPG in those games.

Anyways, IMO Hutson will win it. A lot of rookies performed exceptionally well but Hutson put up an historic rookie season.
 
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This statement is completely false. The Canadians have 14 players with 20 points or more. Sharks have/had 8 players(including Granlund/Walman). The Canadians have 12 players with 10 goals or more. The Sharks have 6. Don’t even have to mention the goalies. The Sharks only had one top 4 quality Dman all season in Walman. It’s pretty difficult to get the puck back when the D-core is full of AHL/bottom pairing Dman. Celebrini played 15-20 games with Goodrow who put up an astonishing 2 points in those games.

Anyways, IMO Hutson will win it. A lot of rookies performed exceptionally well but Hutson put up an historic rookie season.
Celebrini did a lot with less, but he still did less with less which is why Hutson will win
 
I want to start by saying I think Hutson should win the Caldar.

But, I would be really interested in guessing how Celebrini and Hutson stats would look like if they switch teams with each other. Of the 66 points Hutson has, 60 is assist. Of those 60 assists, 35 are secondary. I imagine there wouldn't be many assists if Hutson was playing in San Jose.
 
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He wouldn’t have because Grier wouldn’t have brought him up during this season. It’s been explained ad nauseam to the point where if you don’t get that then the problem is 100% your unwillingness to understand.
That's laughable. Hutson would have forced himself into a roster spot. If you don't understand why, then the problem is 100% your unwillingness to understand. Or maybe you have never watched him play.
 
Grier has done his very best, and has succeeded, in building the worst team in the league for 2 years straight so the idea of him being resistant to adding a youngster that could dramatically improve his team tracks.

No team actively trying to lose as many games as they can, like this years sharks, would want an impact player like hutson in the lineup.

Griers mandate was to ice a terrible team and he succeeded

This all of course has zero bearing on hutsons ability to play on a team that is less than the generational superpower team that this years habs are.
Literally no one said that. Hutson would not have made the Sharks lineup this season.

Again, watching Habs fans trash their entire team so they can make Hutson out to be the greatest thing for hockey since Ice was invented is, well, pretty on brand.
 
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Literally no one said that. Hutson would not have made the Sharks lineup this season.

Again, watching Habs fans trash their entire team so they can make Hutson out to be the greatest thing for hockey since Ice was invented is, well, pretty on brand.
yeah, definitely, we're trashing our team to make our calder candidate look better. Sounds totally like Habs fans this year.
 
I want to start by saying I think Hutson should win the Caldar.

But, I would be really interested in guessing how Celebrini and Hutson stats would look like if they switch teams with each other. Of the 66 points Hutson has, 60 is assist. Of those 60 assists, 35 are secondary. I imagine there wouldn't be many assists if Hutson was playing in San Jose.
Sorry but Habs fans have informed me that insightful thoughts like this are not permitted and you have to bow down to Hutson's already unanimous win
 
Literally no one said that. Hutson would not have made the Sharks lineup this season.

Again, watching Habs fans trash their entire team so they can make Hutson out to be the greatest thing for hockey since Ice was invented is, well, pretty on brand.
How could he hope to beat out such all time greats as (name literally any defenceman on the Sharks for comedic effect)?
 
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Celebrini did a lot with less, but he still did less with less which is why Hutson will win
Celebrini also led the Sharks to dead last in the league. Which in fairness - he met expectations.

Lane Hutson exceeded expectations after a historic season that catapulted Montreal into the playoffs. Montreal was expected to finish bottom 5 in the league when the season started. Lane was a huge part of changing that.
 
Please, arrive at the point.
The team literally iced the worst squad they could. They played Ruuta and Vlasic and Thrun not because they had to, but because it makes them worse. They could have given Dickinson a spot, or Cagnoni, or called up Mukhamadulin earlier, or not traded Walman or Ceci. The goal was last.
 
No one ever said that. Only you!

Habs made the Playoffs because Lane Hutson's emergence. Without Lane, the Habs don't make the playoffs.

The Sharks are god awful with Celebrini.
This is literally the same thing I said. Am I taking crazy pills???
 
Sorry but Habs fans have informed me that insightful thoughts like this are not permitted and you have to bow down to Hutson's already unanimous win
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The team literally iced the worst squad they could. They played Ruuta and Vlasic and Thrun not because they had to, but because it makes them worse. They could have given Dickinson a spot, or Cagnoni, or called up Mukhamadulin earlier, or not traded Walman or Ceci. The goal was last.
Yes, and the Sharks were god awful with Celebrini in the lineup. He didn't make a dent of a difference. Which is beside the point.
 
Habs fans: "We have a worse squad than the Sharks, but we made the playoffs only because of Lane."

Except we didn't say that. You are lying and using Motte Bailey argumentation.

Your post about "Habs fans trashing their entire team" (see how quotation marks are intended to be used?) was a reply to someone saying the Habs weren't a Generational superpower team.

That's not trashing. You know it's not trashing. You are trashy.
 
This statement is completely false. The Canadians have 14 players with 20 points or more. Sharks have/had 8 players(including Granlund/Walman). The Canadians have 12 players with 10 goals or more. The Sharks have 6. Don’t even have to mention the goalies. The Sharks only had one top 4 quality Dman all season in Walman. None, after the trade deadline. It’s pretty difficult to get the puck back when the D-core is full of AHL/bottom pairing Dman. Celebrini played 15-20 games with Goodrow who put up an astonishing 2 points in those games and still maintained a .90 PPG in those games.

Anyways, IMO Hutson will win it. A lot of rookies performed exceptionally well but Hutson put up an historic rookie season.
I mean, one could argue that the reason the Habs had that many players with points was because of Hutson.
 
Yes, you are taking crazy pills.

No one said the Habs are a worse team than the Sharks. That was pure crazy. And the only one that stated that was you

Actually I was told the team around Hutson was not as strong as the Sharks, mostly from an offensive standpoint. There are literally arguments being made in the last couple of pages by Habs fans.

Me: "Habs fans are claiming they only made the playoffs because of Lane"

You: "Only you are saying that. All I'm saying is the Canadians don't make the playoffs without Lane."
 
Actually I was told the team around Hutson was not as strong as the Sharks, mostly from an offensive standpoint. There are literally arguments being made in the last couple of pages by Habs fans.
These are literally figments of your imagination.

No sane Habs fan would say that. Any Habs fan that claims that is not sane.


The Sharks were one of the worst teams in NHL history with Celebrini in the lineup.
 
Literally no one said that. Hutson would not have made the Sharks lineup this season.

Again, watching Habs fans trash their entire team so they can make Hutson out to be the greatest thing for hockey since Ice was invented is, well, pretty on brand.
Yeah I always find it interesting when Bourque vs Lidstrom comparisons come up and wings fans act like Lidstrom soloed them to cup and crap all over Yzerman/Fedorov/Datsyuk/Shanahan and the incredible depth of those wings teams

Then Sakic vs Yzerman comparisons come up and they flip and act like Yzerman carried the wings solo


It's kinds comical how fanbases do that to inflate the resume of players in discussion
 

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