Oh so now " it's let's not be silly and compare the D to the C". Can't have your cake and eat it too. When we say that he's a D so he's bound to have more secondary assists and to develop slower, we get point total and primary assist comparisons as well as, *really grasping at straws*, the age argument.
Well, there are literally 32 teams that passed on Hutson. Even Habs drafted Slafkovsky (makes sense), Mešár and Beck ahead of him.I wonder if this would have been a Shark vs Shark thread had Grier had time to formulate a clear draft strategy when he was hired and not rely on the Wilson regime reports. Maybe we could had taken Hutson (as they should have) instead of Mattias Havelid
That's not true, some teams didn't have a draft pick before 62. Ottawa, Rangers and a Islanders didn't pick before 62, that was a mistake.
Seriously? He's an American on a Canadian team, while Celebrini is actually Canadian.
Nope
Yeah not to throw salt on the wound but there were a lot of baffling choices that led him to fall that far (including a couple made by Montreal).Yea but we have to assume the reason for his fall was due to size concern.
Thing is Havelid is the same size (maybe smaller)!!
If not for double standards, they'd have no standards.Oh so now " it's let's not be silly and compare the D to the C". Can't have your cake and eat it too. When we say that he's a D so he's bound to have more secondary assists and to develop slower, we get point total and primary assist comparisons as well as, *really grasping at straws*, the age argument.
So context is only important when it suits your argument......got it
In the imaginary world where Celebrini has 85 points, the 5th best season all time for an 18 year old behind Gretzky, Hawerchuk, Crosby, and Yzerman, I think he wins it. But that's imaginary.
This is the chart that shows the story. Hutson is clearly playing insanely well, well enough to deserve the Calder. What's annoying is that even back when this chart showed Celebrini being "better", a lot of trolls were already spamming the last thread with "Hutson AINEC". You might be right now, but you weren't right then.
Well it’s for effect but the point is it doesn’t matter how many points celebrini gets in the last 6 games
As I said before, Hutson is doing MORE historic things and that's why he'll likely win, but Celebrini has a good shot to finish 9th all time in points for an 18yo, and he's already 11th all time in PPG for an 18yo, behind only McDavid and Crosby in this century. People need to stop saying "Celebrini isn't historic" he is, just Lane is even more impressive on that front.
Even if Celebrini takes the point lead Hutson deserves the Calder. More impressed by his season.
That is correct, but lets be realistic. If they would value him as 1rd player, they would definitely look for some trade. Kraken had four 2rd picks before 62. E.g. switch from 65 to 61 would not cost Islanders a lot, right?
It definitely was not me. I really like Cellebrini, he is amazing. Hutson is just amazingER
I was and I am still very mad about the Mesar pick. I never liked him and I never understood how he was considered a 1st round talent especially for an undersized forward nevermind passing on Hutson who was vastly more talented even prior to the draft process. Habs got lucky in the end.
If you want to talk that, then why would the canadian media help an american player over the canadian player?
To be fair, you had a re-do with Cole Hutson at last year draft and you still passed on him. So yes Mike Greer is not perfect.Yea but we have to assume the reason for his fall was due to size concern.
Thing is Havelid is the same size (maybe smaller)!!
Yep, but he's a defenseman. Imagine makar having 2 more points than Mackinnon with 8 more games played. Everyone would go batshit crazy over a defenseman leading the nhl scoring race.
Macklin would need more than win the scoring race to beat a defenseman. By default, as a forward, he is expecting to get more points. He would need to get at least 30% more points if we go by the average ppg difference of a defenseman vs a forwards.
