Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

His numbers alone certainly are enough to justify the blowout.

But it’s so much more than that. Hes been one of the best players in the nhl since the 4 nations break and was instrumental in montreals push to make the playoffs.
He has 2 more points in more games played
Lets see who has the most points at the end of the season.
2 whole points. Hardly makes for a certainly
 
Yeah, the “I mocked you because you made no points” defense — right after getting two basic facts wrong.
Celebrini wasn’t “outside the top 60,” he was literally 57th. Not semantics — a correction. Then you confidently claimed Couture’s rookie record was 48 points… it was 56. Two blatant errors, both corrected — and somehow we’re the dishonest ones?

Now you’re moving goalposts. Celebrini leads his team in scoring as an 18-year-old center, playing over 20 minutes a night on a roster held together with duct tape. His goalies are statistically the worst in the league. But sure — let’s pretend dragging that mess forward means nothing because they’re still last. As if hauling a corpse uphill is less impressive than piggybacking a sprinter across the finish line.

Meanwhile, Hutson walks into a hungry, improving Habs core — Caufield, Suzuki, Matheson, Guhle, Slafkovsky — with a healthy roster and the team Canada's goalie Montembault. And we’re acting like he alone lifted them into playoff position?

You keep saying “we can’t compare defensemen and centers,” then immediately compare them and declare one “by far” better. So which is it — apples and oranges, or a race Hutson somehow already won?

This isn’t semantics. It’s a pattern: exaggerate, misquote, shift the argument, then cry dishonesty when the receipts show up.
No one’s denying Hutson’s been phenomenal. But if your case is really that strong, why does it rely so much on fiction?

Might wanna double-check the next “fact” before throwing around “dishonest” again.
To be fair, Hutson really is the difference between making it and not. That’s just a truth. Without him, Montreal aren’t in a playoff spot.

But it’s also true that the Sharks wouldn’t have made it no matter how good Cellebrini had been.
 
He has 2 more points in more games played
Lets see who has the most points at the end of the season.
2 whole points. Hardly makes for a certainly
I am not sure if you are aware

This is not an Art Ross trophy for rookies
And even if it was, forwards are supposed to out produce defensemen.

The fact that Hutson has led the rookie scoring lead since Christmas, as a defenseman, while playing very solid defensive hockey , especially since the 4n break, is absolute insanity.
 
I am not sure if you are aware

This is not an Art Ross trophy for rookies
And even if it was, forwards are supposed to out produce defensemen.

The fact that Hutson has led the rookie scoring lead since Christmas, as a defenseman, while playing very solid defensive hockey , especially since the 4n break, is absolute insanity.
Yeah, and the Norris is for the best defenseman.
It's also not a MVP award
Numbers are what matters most
 
Yeah, the “I mocked you because you made no points” defense — right after getting two basic facts wrong.
Celebrini wasn’t “outside the top 60,” he was literally 57th. Not semantics — a correction. Then you confidently claimed Couture’s rookie record was 48 points… it was 56. Two blatant errors, both corrected — and somehow we’re the dishonest ones?

Now you’re moving goalposts. Celebrini leads his team in scoring as an 18-year-old center, playing over 20 minutes a night on a roster held together with duct tape. His goalies are statistically the worst in the league. But sure — let’s pretend dragging that mess forward means nothing because they’re still last. As if hauling a corpse uphill is less impressive than piggybacking a sprinter across the finish line.

Meanwhile, Hutson walks into a hungry, improving Habs core — Caufield, Suzuki, Matheson, Guhle, Slafkovsky — with a healthy roster and the team Canada's goalie Montembault. And we’re acting like he alone lifted them into playoff position?

You keep saying “we can’t compare defensemen and centers,” then immediately compare them and declare one “by far” better. So which is it — apples and oranges, or a race Hutson somehow already won?

This isn’t semantics. It’s a pattern: exaggerate, misquote, shift the argument, then cry dishonesty when the receipts show up.
No one’s denying Hutson’s been phenomenal. But if your case is really that strong, why does it rely so much on fiction?

Might wanna double-check the next “fact” before throwing around “dishonest” again.

Brutal takedown.
 
Yeah i love the way wolf moves around the net. Reminds me of a young tuukka rask. I was just being funny saying he’s not my kind of goalie because he’s not tall. That would be a really dumb thing to say

The era we live in. Size is king right now among front offices and a good portion of fans. It's not without merit either. We are getting a lot of these big guys coming in just as skilled and coordinated as smaller guys so that size is becoming an advantage. Unfortunately, guys like Hutson and Wolf are going to be knocked for that.

I think they are proving to be the exemptions and not the rule.
 
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In a landslide/ blowout vote
Elbows out!
Yes.
We had Karlsson when he scored over 100 points
Ok and? Do you think Hutson need more pts than Celebrini to win it? For reference, Celebrini rank 43 for pts/g by forwards. Hutson rank 8, on pair with Bouchard.
 
Ok and? Do you think Hutson need more pts than Celebrini to win it? For reference,

Celebrini rank 43 for pts/g by forwards.

Hutson rank 8, on pair with Bouchard.
It's a head to head competition. Because stats are what most those writers have to go on.
Not to throw shade at any other contenders
 
You're actually right about the points i have no idea what i was looking at before but i was wrong, apologies. My point still kind of stands though, it's not super impressive for forwards.

Why is it so great that he led his team in scoring if the team is as bad as you say? And how did he drag the mess forward if they made litterally zero improvement in the standings since last season?

Yeah, he walked into a team that finished last in the Atlantic with waiver pickup Montembault as a starter, Suzuki, Matheson, Guhle, Slaf, Caufield all in the team. Then when Hutson is added to the recipe, they magically make the playoffs. I know you'll say it means nothing but it all speaks for itself really.

You "can" compare forwards and defensemen. What i said was nobody ever compares them 1:1 production wise. See, that's the dishonesty i was talking about. You knew what i meant.

So what about Hutson's season is fiction?
Fair enough — and I respect you for owning up to the earlier mistake, that rarely happens here. As for the rest, I think we just see things differently. For me, leading a bottom team at 18 is still an achievement, not 'nothing.' I’ve already shared my take and numbers above, so no need to repeat. Let’s just enjoy a great rookie class — it’s been a fun race to follow
 
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His rating is +9,9, next best Habs D is Kaiden Guhle at +0,3. Five other Ds are at negative.
 
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His rating is +9,9, next best Habs D is Kaiden Guhle at +0,3. Five other Ds are at negative.
It's what I've been trying to explain with the GF% with and without Hutson on the ice.

He is, as a rookie, the driving force and best player (sorry Suzuki, still love you) in terms of on-ice impact on this team. It's been unbelievable to watch, and that isn't a shot at Celebrini or Michkov or Wolf or any of the other amazing rookies in this class, but none have had the impact Hutson has had.

Career-wise I think Celebrini will be best, but I'm also not betting against Lane anymore. I already look like an idiot for thinking I looked like a genius for having him 10th overall predraft.
 
I wonder if this would have been a Shark vs Shark thread had Grier had time to formulate a clear draft strategy when he was hired and not rely on the Wilson regime reports. Maybe we could had taken Hutson (as they should have) instead of Mattias Havelid 🤣🤣😭😭😭
 
I wonder if this would have been a Shark vs Shark thread had Grier had time to formulate a clear draft strategy when he was hired and not rely on the Wilson regime reports. Maybe we could had taken Hutson (as they should have) instead of Mattias Havelid 🤣🤣😭😭😭
Hell I'm still pissed Montreal played it that fast and loose with drafting him, I wanted him with the Mesar pick haha
 

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