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Disclaimer: I still think Hutson should win it as of today, and so did JFresh fairly recently.
That said, on EV defense, As of April 7 according to JFresh model, Hutson was 19%ile in EV defense, guessing as compared to the league population of defensemen.
Meanwhile, Celebrini was 50%ile as of January, I'm guessing in comparison to all forwards. I don't have access to his updated card.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Thornton had a more successful start to his career. They shouldn't if they are. It's the eclipsing of his career totals that's going to be a challenge. Your career has to do very well, for a very long time to get to 1500+.people here saying celebrini is not better than thornthon, hurm hurm, pardon? celebrini will be ppg as soon as next season
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I'd like Wolf to win, but I know he won't... so I hope Celebrini wins as a big f*** you to people thinking the betting odds actually mean something
I started all of this? You also quoted someone who is not me. ????Hey it's @ORRFForever who started this. He kept posting it as proof when Celebrini was -100 and Hutson +200. Chill, you'll live longer.
Also, Hutson is on the cusp of tying/breaking two rookie dman records and that's precisely why the odds have ramped up in his favor. It didn't have any meaning when the odds were close, but with the present disparity, you'd have to be a total dunce to deny its validity.
I'm saying Hutson will win....I anxiously await the excuse when Hutson wins...![]()
I'm saying Hutson will win.
I don’t even have to give him a boost for being a defenseman. His rookie season is better than Celebrini’s overall as well.If you're going to give him a boost for being a defenseman you have to knock him for his defensive play.
Probably the #1C.Question for fans outside of the 2 fanbases, if you were to do a draft/redraft with Celebrini and Hutson, they're both available and your pick is up, who would you pick?
Disclaimer: I still think Hutson should win it as of today, and so did JFresh fairly recently.
That said, on EV defense, As of April 7 according to JFresh model, Hutson was 19%ile in EV defense, guessing as compared to the league population of defensemen.
Meanwhile, Celebrini was 50%ile as of January, I'm guessing in comparison to all forwards. I don't have access to his updated card.
Celebrini without a doubt, IMO more impressive season, younger, worst supporting cast.Question for fans outside of the 2 fanbases, if you were to do a draft/redraft with Celebrini and Hutson, they're both available and your pick is up, who would you pick?
Sorry man, you're not understanding what odds mean. Odds are the market's best guess at a future outcome. They're not people telling you your player sucks or is awesome.And yet, it was constantly posted all throughout the season to prove Celebrini was in the lead. Maybe go take a gander at the previous Calder thread before making assinine suppositions.
Not this year it isn't....your saying Hutson will win it because he plays in Canada...which is ridiculous...![]()
If you're going to give him a boost for being a defenseman you have to knock him for his defensive play.
Take it more personally, it might make your point stronger.
Do you know for sure that JFresh's model includes EV as empty net? And do you think that somehow impacts Hutson more than Celebrini, who is also on ice for most if not all EN goals against this year?
Hutson is still the clear front runner for the trophy. Doesn't mean he needs to be the second coming of Bobby Orr as well. He's gotten much better defensively but he's not a defensive god yet and some microstats models show that he has a lot of room for growth there. So what?
If you take it that way maybe Celebrini should be able to outscore a D
Technically he is if you go by ppg and by a substantial margin.
Technically he is if you go by ppg and by a substantial margin.
Forward vs D though. It need to be WAY more substantial than that
0.94 vs 0.82Technically he is if you go by ppg and by a substantial margin.